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I've got all of the Autechre albums, having recently picked up Draft 7.30. But, if I'm not mistaken, their last two albums are really not very good. I don't know what the opinion is on this, and it would be interesting to hear it. |
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can. of. worms. |
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i disagree, personally... i think that confield and draft are their best works to date. between the two, i prefer confield a little more. |
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:) its all good |
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Draft 7.30 is the best thing they have done. |
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confield is the best electronic music album ever |
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i agree |
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Confield is the high point of ae's career. |
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me likes draft a wee bit more ;) |
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confield is the most overrated album in the history of electronic music. yeah it's a good experimental album |
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It's interesting to hear what people think. I've just been looking at some on-line reviews, in particular at milkfactory, and it seems that most people really like these albums. I have only just bought Draft 7.30, so perhaps it's unfair to judge it, but I've had Confield for months and I really find it quite boring. Does anyone agree? I really like the first five (in particular LP5 and Tri Repetae), yet the obsession with 'glitch' sounds and the seeming disinterest in melody is ewildering. I do see that these albums are heading in a totally new direction, which is admirable, but does no-one think that anything is missing? I realise I might be slandering what in these circles must amount almost to deities, but I would like to hear what people think. |
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oops: ...is BEwildering... |
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if you ask me: ae are artists and i enjoy their art with the exception of incunabula and amber *wink |
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i've noticed that many people who like early autechre don't like later autechre... i'm the other way around - i find their early stuff to be boring, and i really enjoy their recent records a lot. i guess it's just two different styles... |
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confield and draft are indeed their worst releases to date. |
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I think the old stuff is all right-- but the newer stuff is much more interesting. There are plenty of melodies in Draft and Confield, but they require more attention than something like Bike or Yulquen for example. So, yah, I think the two newest ones definitely deserve to be appreciated, even if one may have to spend time trying to hear the melodies through those dense rhythms. |
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You know when horrible people bang on about you having to educate your palate in order to "enjoy" some vile tasting wine of theirs, it's the same sort of thing with this loveless, academic racket. |
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i don't have the patience to spend a year trying to print a melody into my brain. anyway confield or draft 7.30 aren't about melody. it's sound experiments, it's kinda like an abstract painting. |
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Yes confield is one of my less favorite autechre albums... |
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so only the most accessable, easily-understood music is worthy to listen to, and music that's challenging is automatically snobbish and elitist? |
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We're talking about two specific Autechre albums, not the entire catalogue of challenging music, so don't get mardy, young man. I have listened to these albums a lot but I just don't enjoy them, I think Autechre have the one of the weirdest, backwards, diminishing returns careers in music. |
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You think wrong. |
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You're probably right. |
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i like all the autechre records, but their earlier ones better i think. i don't know, draft is ok, and i like confield, but in all honesty they sound just like autechre fucking off, twiddling around, whatever you wanna call it. it's cool, and they sure are good at it, but i don't really think it sounds THAT 'complex' or whatever. |
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what's so challenging about autechre? seriously, i am missing something or maybe i am just brilliant..haha. |
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my two cents: i like autechre fav+ artist(S), i like their music, i especially like draft and confield, imo there not as experimental as everyone claims they are, to me its just music, draft was a wee bit better imo, thank you :) |
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Or maybe you're not brilliant enough to realise what you are listening to. |
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durrr |
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dog_belch - fair enough, good sir, but your previous comment was much broader than that. look, i'm not saying autechre are re-inventing the wheel, but i think most listeners will probably agree that their music isn't obvious in the sense that a pop song is obvious. and what i'm really getting at is that it shouldn't be about who can make the most confusing, complex music - i don't think that's autechre's point either. it's not supposed to be like brain surgery, but it isn't all that simple either. music works on different levels and everyone draws something different from it... if you pay close attention you'll probably get a very different experience than if you just have it on in the background. |
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They're both a good lay. |
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their such sluts |
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I agree with Alberto Balsalm. It's not about melody, or beat, per se. It really is like abstract painting. They (beats, melodies, etc) exist in the music, yes, but it seems to me they are present for their own sake. If you're making an abstract painting, you don't go to the trouble of trying to make a certain figure recognizable or representational.. you just put whatever needs to be there in the painting. If there needs to be a line, you paint a line. If Autechre is making a track and feels there needs to be a sequence of notes, they put in a sequence of notes, and so we call it a melody. However, we shouldn't be wasting time analyzing the quality or abundance of these melodies in the music as a basis for saying whether the music is good or bad. Those kind of speculations are pointless. It can be the basis of opinion, sure.. but the later work is not 'inferior,' it seems to have different artistic goals.. The early stuff was primarily concerned with more conventional and representational constructions, emotional melodies, etc. I think the later stuff is a natural evolution towards a more pure sound that can evoke emotion from human beings.. not a sound that is charged with emotion *from* human beings. |
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okay, that's a good point that i mostly agree with. some of it may be speculation, but otherwise i agree. |
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I think, and i know it doesn't matter, but as technology makes it easier for us to achieve the actual thing we're after (in musc, say), we're losing all the mistakes and happy accidents that make for unique music. If you could control every sound, every element, i think Draft or Confeld is what you come up with, something so dry, so devoid of ..... it's fucking jazz. All music ends up as dry jazz. Syncopated arhythmical beats, discordant farts, unendurable (except by moody goth teenagers) noise, ... it's the logical conclusion of all art, a fucking horrible mess. It's the sound of facistically trying to control every element. And that, in life, isn't possible, nor desirable. |
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"You know when horrible people bang on about you having to educate your palate in order to "enjoy" some vile tasting wine of theirs, it's the same sort of thing with this loveless, academic racket." Excellent summary of these two albums and their fans. |
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oh come on, that's a cynical generalisation at best... it goes around in circles... you say everything is getting clinical, then you say that everything is a horrible mess? the things you describe don't relate to each other. one could be facistically controlling with insanely simplistic, ultra-melodic music, and actually i can give you the example of commercial pop - that is the end result of extreme refinement and is totally clinical, yet it's often old recycled melodies with the same 4/4 rock beat. on the other hand, one could be totally sloppy and make noise or jazz or whatever. the technique does not define the genre. also, i'm not a moody goth teenager whatsoever, but i listen to atonal jazz and harsh noise... i enjoy it - i love listening to it in the same way someone would appreciate any other sort of music... so i just don't think what you're saying really makes sense. i think what it all comes down to in this thread is taste. i'm not knocking old autechre - i think they just went into a different direction with their later works, and that's what i prefer. but there's no sense in stereotyping here... |
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well, that's pretty interesting, but i think they're making a fuss because that giant mess of paint on canvas looks beautiful to me, so probably others feel the same way. who cares what the elitist art world thinks? it's all about the art, not who makes it. |
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I agree 100% with what you say, 110% on pop music formulas. It is just taste at the end of the day. I like the old days *SOBS* |
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there there :) |
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I liked these two albums of organized sounds. Sorry if that makes me sound elitest. |
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we're losing all the mistakes and happy accidents that make for unique music. If you could control every sound, every element, i think Draft or Confeld is what you come up with, something so dry, so devoid of... What we're failing to do here is recognize that there are different aims in making music. Boards of Canada was all about these little quirks and mistakes you mention, and put them in their music intentionally to keep it human, like you're saying. However, according to your perspective Autechre is totally cold and clinical and inhuman. Yet, both of these are labelled IDM. Maybe we should start classifying genres according to 'discourse' or 'ideology' as opposed to 'content.' The music may be inhuman and 'undesirable' as you say, but this seems to be one level of what Autechre are striving for. They have said in interviews that they are trying to achieve sounds that are totally or mostly non-referential. This is the kind of stuff that isn't made with deep emotions at heart.. these are, in theory, impersonal artistic creations which, if we react to them, are doing so of our own accord and not because we are tapping into some emotion that was put into the music on the other end. I react quite meotionally to Autechre's music, but it's reacting in the same way you'd react to a beautiful waterfall or rock formation. You might be deeply moved by its beauty, but that's not because there's any human feeling behind it. |
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I think they're great albums, Autechre doing what they do best. Very difficult to listen to, or rather do anything other than listen to them at first for me in parts. Guess that's just the body adjusting to something new. Can't stop playing V-PROC, absolutley love it. |
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Entrance of 'Surripere' makes my brain to celebrate several processes. Yes, there is something between early and late AE. Difference in style is clear, I suppose, and intended - AE is penetrating uncovered soundscape. I am waiting for their 30th LP!!! |
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i think confield (i havent heard draft yet) is his best release, but its a hard album and i can only enjoy it in very particular moments... so i prefer earlier releases, more simple and enjoyable... garbage, my god, garbage! |
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I prefer their newest material. EP7, Confield, Draft 7.30.. |
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highest point blah blah |
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Draft is pure jazz. |
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don't be an arse |
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The comments about the two being sort of like "abstract paintings" are pretty much dead on. Personally I don't really like either of the two, but I do appreciate them. They each have their high points and are immpressive at times. Both take more than a few listens to be realized. I wouldn't even call them "music" , their more like expeiriments in sound. Definately something completely original. |
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It IS music, the problem is in... I will. |
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