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acid_polic3
from london (United Kingdom) on 2004-10-17 04:56 [#01365035]
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what synths do people here favour? Im sturggling to get any truely brutal synth sounds out of reaktor , all the synths seem to be too tinny and the pre sets are shite so it is pretty hard to get a good starting point.. considering a Nord lead 2 ... ? any thoughts?
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Anus_Presley
on 2004-10-17 05:05 [#01365037]
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blue ones
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2004-10-17 05:06 [#01365038]
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you obviously need to improve your understadning of synthesis...
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2004-10-17 07:05 [#01365056]
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I can make sounds in Reaktor that'll kill medium size dogs and peel the paint off walls. It can do anything. Nords are okay I guess but wouldn't consider it a step up from Reaktor. If I was going to buy hardware, and I am soon, I'd look into a Minimoog Voyager, Technosaurus Microcon II, Alesis Andromeda, Macbeth M3X, and possibly the Analogue Solutions Red Square.
A good starting point for brutality is the Manymood .ens in the premium library (downloadable from NI).
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-10-17 07:09 [#01365058]
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Okay
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2004-10-17 07:17 [#01365060]
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I can make sounds in Reaktor that'll kill medium size dogs and peel the paint off walls.
It brings me near-infinite amounts of mirth to imagine ellen feiss uttering those words.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2004-10-17 07:18 [#01365061]
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Her ensembles go beep beep beep beep beep
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acid_polic3
from london (United Kingdom) on 2004-10-17 07:58 [#01365068]
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okay will checkout that .ens i've had a moog for years so i am pretty familiar with lfos , filters and the like. Its just that the kalidon and similar synths have proved a bit plastiky sounding thats all , the junatik has wielded some cool results though
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2004-10-17 08:15 [#01365076]
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I like these the most for their sounds: Arturia: Minimoog, Moog Modular and CS80 GMedia: ImpOSCar, Oddity
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2004-10-17 08:23 [#01365079]
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Yeah, the Mike Daliot ensembles like Kaleidon and Carbon have a particular sound - I'm not crazy about them.
You know what's another good place to start is the Soundforum R4 synth in the instruments folder - create a new ens, drop in and connect it and start hotrodding it. I added an extra saturator in the filter section, put in a sequenced cutoff macro for gating, added a mono trigger for legato playing, and built a kind of analog drift simulator to widen the oscillators. I lower the voice count to 1 or 2 and it takes up 5 to 8 percent cpu and makes monster analog tones.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2004-10-17 09:26 [#01365119]
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you can actually use reaktor 4 ? what pc do you use ?? i have a 1,5 ghz one with 256 mb ram and i always get cpu overloads !!
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2004-10-17 10:16 [#01365212]
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I have a 2.4 gigahertz P4 and 512 megs of ram. The Carbon ens takes up 10% of my CPU. Most ensembles you can get the cpu down by cutting out the effects, reducing the number of voices, and stuff like that. Mostly I use simple ensembles I build myself or customize out of bits and pieces of other people's work - I try to get them down to 5 to 7 percent CPU. It's a completely modular system with many many parts to choose from so you can get completely fucked up and unique sounds with just a few parts and very little CPU.
A thing lots of people try to do is build one megasynth that can do anything, with lots of switches and modulation matrixes and shit, and then it's a eating CPU monster. Why not build small things that do one thing really well?
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2004-10-17 10:19 [#01365215]
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i won reaktor 4 session i na music contest and i really would want to use it, but it's a fucking cpu how.
with carbon, a simple 3 note melody on 140 BMP crashes...that's too much.
and besides you are right - i have the v-station plugin which is powerful as well, and i can have 20 of these in one song without cuts...
damn those native instruments motherfuckers
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2004-10-17 11:05 [#01365293]
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i use an early-90's casio.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2004-10-17 11:12 [#01365299]
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Session is useless. You can't reroute anything or build anything. Fuck it, what a lame product.
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-10-17 13:51 [#01365456]
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or use virsynth - terra
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stilaktive
from a place on 2004-10-17 14:13 [#01365491]
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i use synthedit.
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acid_polic3
from london (United Kingdom) on 2004-10-20 15:37 [#01367395]
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agreed on the megasynths , too many switches just make it a chore to use , rather have synths which are actually fun to use...
anyone got any views on the electronic instruments 2 pack for reaktor?? seems pretty sweet ... check out the NI webbie for it
http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?electronicins2_us
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-01-05 17:30 [#01446888]
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Oh yes, I pirated that and liked it so much I bought a copy. Unfortunately some of the ens eat up a lot of CPU but it's worth it for the sounds. Metaphysical Function, what can I say.
Basically anything NI puts out these days = sex candy. I'd buy more of their synths except I mostly run Reaktor standalone instead of in a host sequencer. Can't wait to see what they do with R5!
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-01-05 17:35 [#01446893]
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I think they have all that on hold untill they kill warez with all their kontakt engines...
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-01-05 17:41 [#01446899]
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What are ens?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-01-05 17:44 [#01446905]
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its the files extension for a reaktor ensemble.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-01-05 17:45 [#01446907]
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Ensembles - Reaktor files. An ens is one or more instruments. Instruments can be effects, synths, samplers, sequencers, mixers, etc.
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-01-05 18:50 [#01447002]
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sounds neat. can a single ens be all of those things at one?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-01-05 18:54 [#01447004]
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most ens have effects and/or/include synths/samplers and sometimes sequencers. Mixers are almost always common, if not to route a signal from one module to another, to change the path of an audio signal through a matrix of one form or another.
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-01-05 18:56 [#01447005]
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Oh. That's totally different than how I make techno. Is there a screenshot of these whirlygigs I can look at?
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-01-05 18:58 [#01447008]
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Yes. And you can make connections between everything and create custom ports on the instruments so things modulate and trigger each other - using control signals or audio data.
And of course you can dig into the instruments and modify their structures and copy and paste bits to create new insane instruments.
The user library at NI has 1862 ensembles.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2005-01-05 19:00 [#01447009]
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Do you have a newscool rnd thing fleet?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-01-05 19:01 [#01447011]
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A tutorial
Just fool around in there for a bit, and you will get the picture
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-01-05 19:02 [#01447013]
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Yamaha EX 5, Minimoog Voyager, Alesis Andromeda A6
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somejerk
from south florida, US (United States) on 2005-01-05 19:02 [#01447014]
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great thread, +'in this junk.
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-01-05 19:06 [#01447018]
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It sounds like there are too many possibilities and I would just end up creating shit piles. I fell better working within the limits of my lesser software.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-01-05 19:07 [#01447020]
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I have an ensemble called newscool_R3 - haven't played with it much. Is that what you're talking about?
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bryce_berny
from chronno (Canada) on 2005-01-05 19:45 [#01447060]
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nord lead
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-01-05 19:56 [#01447069]
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You know I was messing around with that G2 software demo and was extremely unimpressed. I assume Nord uses pretty much the same synthesis engine in all their stuff.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-01-05 20:12 [#01447090]
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I know the nord lead 3 is pretty fucking hot.
You can section the mod wheel into percentiles, and assign the pieces to different parameters in the matrix. It also sounds great. I used to go to my nearby retailer a couple times a week and rewrite all the shitty presets...
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