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whats a good program? |
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Dreamweaver. |
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yeah macromedia dreamweaver is really good for beginners, and even advanced users. its pretty much the standard here, its what they teach at uni and a lot of design firms use it. |
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Notepad! |
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Don't type shit. That's like someone starting a topic asking for the make of a good car and you chip in with "a secondhand Lada" as your suggestion just because it can do the same job. |
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Buh? Seriously, if you know the code, you can do a lot with a bit of notepad. Anyway, when it comes to web design, some of the more complex sites that use the big packages have a tendency to be complex and hard to navigate. Simplicity is the key, plus the code is easily to learn. |
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Man I type like a spaz. |
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Yes. But dreamweaver is still much better than notepad if you want to handcode your site, especially since the integration of homesite. Only a complete twat would recommend Notepad. |
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macromedia deramweaver MX, to be mor eprecize, you can work as a designer/html dotist ( i prefer first one ). for advanced flash and onther interactive gadgets - macromedia flash MX, from MX series. reccomended. |
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notepad is fine, but you can straight code in dreamweaver too, and for beginners its good because it also gives a visual of how the site will (hopefully) look. I use dreamweaver myself, but i do a lot of coding but i like to have the visual representation as well. and again, for beginners, they can have the code window open while doing things the easy way and learn coding as they go along. and if they want to just do things the easy way, that is fine too. iamsohappy! |
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Macromedia Studio MX 2004 can be 'purchased' from 'selected sites' with ' massive discounts'. Well worth getting because Fireworks is a joy to use as well. |
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I learnt everything I know here . But seriously, I agree that to make a proper website, you need to use something like dreamweaver, but it is also important to good at the code itself, otherwise you can get bogged down in the 'extras'. |
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oh and if you are very design orientated you can use adobe photoshop to make your site and split the images up and make your html file for you, and then work on that html file. and as hyakusen said, flash is a very powerful tool. If you have patience and skill it can be used very effectively (and also not effectively too). bit of a learning curve with flash however, but a recommended one. |
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if you have a pc use microsoft Frontpage, Mac - Dreamweaver... |
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Frontpage isn't better than Dreamweaver so why would you recommend it? |
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Going off topic a little..... When I started doing web design ther were some really cool design concepts. It doesn't seemed to moved on designwize in the last five years or so. The reason for this I think is because it has become a less specialized art due to the simplicity of web creation programs. When I first started doing Flash stuff I was getting paid twice as much as I do now. The aestetic quality of sites is of a lot lower standard today because everyone and their dog is "designing". |
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It's more because a lot of companies got stung with fancy designed sites that couldn't do shit other than look pretty. |
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As for programs... Dreamweaver is the best but it tends to write a little bit too much code |
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Any WYSIWYG generally produces too much code. But then again some people manage to generate too much code even when they hand code (take a look at the source for this site). |
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yeah, dreamweaver is great for a beginner wh doesn't know how to hand code. and it's color coding is excellent even for someone who does. dw can write code for you, which isn't exactly the most elegant or easy to manipulate HTML in the world.. but, if you do it all by hand using only the code view dw pretty much leaves your stuff alone. i rarely ever use dreamweaver's design view, but it can be really nice when you're just making small changes to a complex page. i use at home, and it's awesome. but, there's no wysisyg. |
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I use dreamweaver on my site. Love it to death. Lets you split the site into a design pane and a coding pane, which is just ace. Best of both worlds. Macromedia bought out homesite which was the best coding html program and incorporated the bulk of its features into Dreamweavers WYSIWYG interface. Fucking beautiful program |
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Uhhh you're wrong man. The coding features of dreamweaver anally rapes all of its competitors. There is a button called "code view". You might want to try and click it sometime. |
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I only read the first five words of your post and flamed you. Im sorry man, I'm just violently drunk now. Sorry, I didnt mean to be rude at all. I agree with your assessment of dreamweaver. No more posts for me tonight, I'm being an asshole :) |
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i wish more websites would go back to a simple html design without as much flash. |
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Flash is goot if used in moderation. It can do alot for a site. I still prefer html navigation though |
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I'm a longtime Dreamweaver user and fan, but recently I've moved to TopStyle Pro - a CSS/XHTML editor which displays more accurately than DWMX and is cheap - 80 USD and has more features than you can shake a stick at. |
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i've always used homesite together with topstyle, and i still do. oh, and i think it's better to use adobe golive than just photoshop/imageready to let you generate html files from slices i agree that flash is overrated. it's fancy and pretty etc... but i just can't bring up the patience anymore to let it load (not that we have a slow connection ) and just see some things moving. of course there are still some things which are awesome. |
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Your avatar is very fucked up. Me likey |
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I use notepad, PhotoShop, Illustrator, and sometimes Flash for vector objects, not a long time ago discovered TopStyle, and some free 'enhanced notepads' with highlighting of HTML, CSS, JS, PHP, and Java and bla bla bla. |
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macromedia deramweaver MX, to be mor eprecize, you can work as a designer/html dotist |
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I use spiders!!! beat that!! haha |
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Use BBEdit in combination with DreamWeaver! Mostly BBEdit! |
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Spiders can output organic compounds and still achieve maximum throughput. Fuck your pre-Turing software. |
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Do you know BBEdit ??? I don´t think so! |
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I think webcoding slipped out of my hands years ago. Look at the URL for this topic for example. Bah, I say. BAH! |
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No, that's very wrong. Frontpage is horrid, HORRID I SAY! |
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Frontpage is the worst app you can use! |
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Frontpage is awful, but is it worse than MS Word for making HTML? |
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Frontpage isn't all that bad and it is far from the worst. Word isn't really designed to be a web design package so you can't really criticise it. It serves it's purpose for people who just want to knock up a quick page for the internet. |
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yes you are right. Word can be criticized for this: the HTML-output from Word, which is Times New Roman text line saying 'A quick page' is 1678 bytes long, when manually typed HTML is 90 bytes long, including <html>, <head>, <title> tags. |
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Frontpage is horrible; it does not write valid XHTML, and uses MS's own flavour of CSS to retain backwards-formatting abilities with their products. I've been spending days just cleaning up templates generated by an outside agency because they used FrontPage. |
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why would Microsoft be bothered about valid XHTML? They designed FrontPage for use with IIS and Internet Explorer, they don't give a fuck about standards and at the moment they don't need to. |
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Frontpage does not produce valid HTML code ! Build a site in Frontpage and check it out with the w3c services ( http://www.w3c.org/ ) - then take a look what you get! |
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The topic is Web Design! You can´t realise this with any MicroSoft product. |
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um...as 96% of the world uses IE, and as Microsoft packages produce content suitable for IE, then yes you can. |
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Check out your web logs! May be 96% of InternetExplorer usage is dream of Mr. Gates - nothing more. |
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And excluding 4% of your market is madness anyway |
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:D |
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This could be true ;) |
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