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PhystPhukt
from The Holiest of Holes (United States) on 2004-05-24 19:32 [#01205144]
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http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5 834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg
Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005 The Draft will Start in June 2005
There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately.
$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004.
The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.
Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.
Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era.
Anybody else wigged out?
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PhystPhukt
from The Holiest of Holes (United States) on 2004-05-24 19:33 [#01205148]
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Theres more.
College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.
Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft.
The public has a right to air their opinions about such an important decision.
Please send this on to all the friends, parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, and cousins that you know. Let your children know too -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!
Please also contact your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and contact newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2004-05-24 19:41 [#01205176]
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yeah, thats seriously fucked up. i'm not sure really where i stand on it, i've always been against fighting for someone i don't give a shit about, but i do live in this country.
i didn't have anything to do with these problems, why should i fight for george assface dickhole bush? maybe i sound ignorant, but damn, no one wants to go to war. i'm hoping this is something that really won't have to happen.
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PhystPhukt
from The Holiest of Holes (United States) on 2004-05-24 19:51 [#01205215]
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I'm hoping to, but it still stinks. And I aint fucking going, thats for damned sure.
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-05-24 19:53 [#01205223]
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If Canada ever re-instates the draft, fuck it. Im not doing shit. Chuck me in Jail.
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PhystPhukt
from The Holiest of Holes (United States) on 2004-05-24 19:55 [#01205232]
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me too.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-24 19:55 [#01205236]
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Looks like it's Mexico then.
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PhystPhukt
from The Holiest of Holes (United States) on 2004-05-24 20:00 [#01205253]
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I think Mexico's under the 'SMart Border' jurisdiction too.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-05-24 20:00 [#01205255]
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CONFIELD > DRAFT
But no, I would never go to war. I'd arrange an accident that would break my legs or something. Or alternatively, just hide, keeping my legs intact.
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2004-05-24 20:06 [#01205272]
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oh that's right...i was gonna cut off my trigger finger, like in that book "a prayer for owen meany". but i don't have a diamond cutter, so it will be quite a hack job.
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PhystPhukt
from The Holiest of Holes (United States) on 2004-05-24 20:08 [#01205277]
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I think if your Pregnant they cant draft you huh?
There are ways to fake pregnancy.....--plotting--
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2004-05-24 20:11 [#01205289]
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if i claim myself as a bum do i still have to go? i already have the hat as you can see in my av.
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-05-24 20:11 [#01205293]
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You better get busy then!
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2004-05-24 20:12 [#01205295]
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hot and dizzy, you better get busy and make me some soup...before i get siiiiiiiick!!!
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PhystPhukt
from The Holiest of Holes (United States) on 2004-05-24 20:13 [#01205296]
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Damnit, cant get pregnant from Plastic!!
SHIT!
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-05-24 20:14 [#01205299]
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You could if man-whores accepted credit cards. *snare roll followed by cymbal crash*
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PhystPhukt
from The Holiest of Holes (United States) on 2004-05-24 20:15 [#01205302]
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"BADDUMP-CHISH" would work.
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-05-24 20:16 [#01205303]
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Yeah mine was a little too verbose
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Theocide
from Escondido (United States) on 2004-05-24 20:16 [#01205307]
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nope, not goin, thanks.
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PhystPhukt
from The Holiest of Holes (United States) on 2004-05-24 20:18 [#01205309]
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My sentiments exactly.
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-05-24 20:19 [#01205315]
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It would be fun to just sit around your house until the gov comes in to take you to jail. And you dont move, only saying "nope". It would be really cool if they hit me and dragged me to jail.
I would just go numb on them and make em drag me..... yup...
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-05-24 20:19 [#01205317]
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yes... sleepy... sleeping... ... .. .. .. . now.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-24 21:23 [#01205413]
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girls can't be drafted can they? I think you're in the clear.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-24 21:25 [#01205414]
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oh, and if/when they actually impose the draft, I'll be taking to the street, protesting hardmothafuckingcore.
And yes, I would take jail over going to war.
But I'd try to figure a way out of the states first.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-24 21:27 [#01205415]
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why is the link now dead?
"The Action Alert you've requested is no longer available"
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-24 21:29 [#01205416]
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nm
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3051
from Vietnam on 2004-05-24 21:31 [#01205417]
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read what was written.....
Welcome to year 1929
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2004-05-24 21:32 [#01205418]
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Good year that!
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3051
from Vietnam on 2004-05-24 21:35 [#01205423]
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Well gentlemen, lets open the bottles.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-05-24 21:59 [#01205428]
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fukit
ill fight for my country
no matter the cause.
if needed
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-24 22:01 [#01205429]
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you will die for nothing.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-05-24 22:01 [#01205430]
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Zeus,
no offense, but I doubt you would fight in any war for the country that gives you a chance for a great life.
Hell, considering most people think ALL forms of war are bad, no matter the REAL cause, I highly doubt htey would ever find it in their minds to actually fight, die, etc.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-05-24 22:03 [#01205431]
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Die for nothing?
Live for nothing?
Tell me, Zeus, what is the difference?
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-05-24 22:04 [#01205432]
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I've lived a good 20 years.
You, you can take whatever beliefs you want, and run with it.
Enjoy the country you live in, the gifts and the figures. Then when it comes time to be called apon, run, take jail, skip off into another country.
Personal pride and belief is something I want.
Running away from my country won't enable that flag.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-05-24 22:06 [#01205433]
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Must be nice to leech from land to land.
Urg, this country is making a choice I don't want to deal with.
K, on to next one.
K, on to next one.
K......................
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-05-24 22:11 [#01205435]
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Must be nice to leech from land to land.
As long as you pay taxes you aren't exactly leeching.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-24 22:12 [#01205436]
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Iraq has nothing to do with our freedom.
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Glitch
from New Zealand on 2004-05-24 22:15 [#01205437]
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hah! I knew this was going to happen.. . I feel sorry for you guys.. . the ships been sinking for decades and you guys are still trying to pump all the water out rather than fleeing for your lives. ..
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Theocide
from Escondido (United States) on 2004-05-24 22:23 [#01205444]
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Yeah I'm going to let some old men who can't wipe their own asses send me to another country to fight for them. Elusive, you go on ahead and fight for your freedom. It's being impinged upon by the evil towel-head scum.
Fucking white trash.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-05-24 22:25 [#01205445]
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When people pose an argument, why must they always use rash extremes that don't really apply?
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Glitch
from New Zealand on 2004-05-24 22:25 [#01205446]
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also Ive read that the draft will include all men AND women between 18-34.. . see here
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-24 22:31 [#01205448]
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I changed my mind.
Go fight.
maybe thats what it will take to wake you up.
but hopefully you'll live through it.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-24 22:35 [#01205449]
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and yes I would fight, if it was for a just cause.
and i mean JUST.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-24 22:38 [#01205450]
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"Personal pride and belief is something I want."
yeah, well I wouldnt have pride, if I went into a country to kill people, under false pretenses.
take great pride in being lied to, to serve other peoples agendas.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-24 22:41 [#01205453]
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"Must be nice to leech from land to land.
As long as you pay taxes you aren't exactly leeching."
exactly. and just because the government makes a decision I dont agree with, it doesnt automatically make me a traitor, or any less of a citizen of that country. I have every right to object, and to take action against it.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2004-05-24 22:43 [#01205457]
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Congress has no idea what they're getting into. This should be interesting.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-24 22:44 [#01205459]
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It's not just a right, it's responsibility. They should be doing what WE want them to do.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-24 22:46 [#01205461]
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exactly. government is made for the people. the citizens are not there, to do the governments bidding.
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mimi
on 2004-05-25 00:42 [#01205567]
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do you think bush's daughters will get drafted...?
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-25 00:45 [#01205569]
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Not a chance.
(By the way, anyone think it's a big turn-off when girls resemble their fathers?)
Example:
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