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Probably, yes, as a PR exercise. They'd be put in a cushy and probably extremely safe job within the forces, away from the frontline and sit out the war that way. |
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to quote george bush: "no other army in the history of the world hasn't fought so persistent and so often, for the freedom of others" so come on people, don't let it stop now!! |
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hmm, no |
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Hahahaha... |
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democracy = right not to fight draft = defence of country, not occupation of another you poor bastards thank fuck i live in western europe |
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"draft = defence of country, not occupation of another" ARE YOU SAYING FIGTING FOR FREEDOM OF OTHER NATIONS DOESN'T COUNT? sorry for caps, i just though i'd poit it out. |
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thank fuck you live in western europe? lol, that's quite irrelevant and contraray to one's opinion. A possible draft isn't gonna send me packing my bags and moving to another country. boo-fucking-whooooo. |
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and btw, if it wasn't for US we'd all be speaking german now. jawohl! |
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thank fuck im not american. this seems like a fuking stupid draft its a war on terrorism that emans random terroists they may even live in your own country ffs, why the fuck would you want a draft. id take jail and buggery before war |
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i'm just saying that being born into a democracy shouldn't automatically mean you have to join the army, but should mean you can have an informed choice whether to or not. My father was made to take part in the french-algerian war and because he refused to bear arms, was sent to jail. He didn't regret it and said that the Revolution didn't happen so he could be made kill people for politicians. So how about Koreas freedom? Say the West decided to invade and "liberate" that poor country. Would you sign up? Would you kill mis-educated locals? |
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Thank you Canada for forests and parents for teaching me how to survive in wilderness. |
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"So how about Koreas freedom? Say the West decided to invade and "liberate" that poor country. Would you sign up? Would you kill mis-educated locals? " was this pointet at me? coz i hope you understand i was being sarcastic above. |
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pointed* |
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nah, tolstoyed, old bean..... just a general rant! |
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War is a different game. I would make robots to combat other robots, but I would never kill a living beign unless in self-defense. I even criticize parents for wanting to poison ants that invade our house. I feed them so they don't have to look for food inside the house. |
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Wow. Why isn't this all over the news? |
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i think theres nothing wrong with a draft.. ok id shit myself and wouldnt want to do it but if my country was being invaded id have no choice but to fight and a draft would seem rational. but why the fuck would i want to go fight in a war on terrorism , terrosists are fuking american, brittish, afganastani its not a fucking country of the border of peru called terrorville. fuck america supported the ira for years whilst they bombed the uk and now suddenly terrosism is a major threat that they wont stand for? a draft seems fuking pointless, just more fodder for the troops to miss fire on |
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Damn, this is scary stuff. Here's the actual bills, (sponsored by Sen. Ernest Hollings [SC]) and (sponsered by Rep. Charles Rangel [NY] and co-sponsored by 14(!) other representatives). Two other big changes: currently Selective Service applies to all males ages 18-25. These new bills say 18-26, male AND female. "To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes. " Sneaky bastards... and I'm going to be 26 by next June. |
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"A possible draft isn't gonna send me packing my bags and moving to another country." just curious, have you ever been to another country? |
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there is no fucking draft. it`s an election ploy to get bush voted out. good he`s the devil. but i`m not against the senseless death of ignorant arogant americans that think their country is the only one in the world because it`s the most powerful [as it`s shafted all the small countries resources]. If anyone one of you dopey twats still thinks it`s all about "freedom" i think you should all sign up right now. For the sake of the gene pool. And how anyone could think that another zillion americans in Iraq will cause insta-peace is beyond comprehension. |
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er wait, I'm in the clear... Reading the bill a little closer, it appears "between 18 and 26" = [18-26). That is to say, at least 18 and not yet 26. My bad. |
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zactamundo! |
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wouldn't you like that :) |
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[OT] elo lupus didnt know you posted here |
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man no one ever reads a damn thing I ever type.. . .. . its 18-35. .. |
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[OT] ello old chap=].....i peep from time to time. usually when i`m avoiding doing something that is really crucial in a life sense. I assume there`s loads of slskers floating about ere? |
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Interesting link about 18-35, but the two bills actually circulating congress are both [18-26). |
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Keyfumbler, "i'm just saying that being born into a democracy shouldn't automatically mean you have to join the army, but should mean you can have an informed choice whether to or not. My father was made to take part in the french-algerian war and because he refused to bear arms, was sent to jail. He didn't regret it and said that the Revolution didn't happen so he could be made kill people for politicians. So how about Koreas freedom? Say the West decided to invade and "liberate" that poor country. Would you sign up? Would you kill mis-educated locals? " Thank you, If you would have said this (the clear post, with reason) the first time, I wouldn't have jumped on you. |
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p.s., keyfumbler, we've been in korea for quite some time there. A guy I work with goes back there for weekends or a week once a month or so. |
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anybody not voting this year? |
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luckily i have servere asthma. |
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zeus running away, sounds farfetched if u ask me |
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werd |
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I dont like this idea. I mean if you are all for it then good for you. I think i should have the right to choose if i would like to participate in this or not. Draft? For what Iraq? N. Korea? Why would people even get drafted? I dont really like this because i feel as though it violates a freedom of choice. I'd rather not. I support our country but i am not willing to get my ass whipped around in some bumfuck country that perhaps we should get out of. **But then again this all boils down to opinions** |
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have you not read anything thats been said? Just because the government decides something, doesnt means its the word of god. thats why its a democracy, so people can change the government, when they dont agree. I dont agree with this draft. it affects my life in a very serious way. thats why there is appeal courts, because people dont always make the right decisions. and if my country refuses to listen to my voice, then why shouldnt I be allowed to leave, and no longer be a part of the country? I didnt choose to be born an american. I shouldnt be forced into anything. you are so close minded, it hurts. |
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*plays the worlds smallest violin for zeus* how bout doing your duty as a citizen of this country to protect your own people from opposing threats, or does that not exist in the world of zeus? i mean you're a huge promoter on how much foreigners hate us. if anything you should be one of the first people in line trying to defend our freedom (assuming you were born in this country). |
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*yawn* im still not convinced i should feel ashamed about dodging the draft. |
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ofcoarse you shouldn't. you're a bad ass with those shades and cigarette. i'm a leave before i puke on all of you. |
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go eat some george bush pee pee. |
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do you not hear me? Jesus. You can't be that thick... I DONT AGREE WITH THE REASONS FOR WAR. I dont believe a war in iraq is to protect my country. and frankly, when we go around waging wars that arnt justified, then I dont blame other countries for hating us. Blowing them up wont fix it. Try and wrap your head around the concept of democracy, and the government being by the people and for the people, and making changes. Its the basic principle on which the US is based, yet you dont even get it. We are not the tools of the government. The government is the tool of the people. I am not a traitor, I am not a coward. I dont beleive in the cause for war, and Im not ready to lay my life down for something I do not believe in. I have every right to object, and try to change things. Wake the fuck up. |
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an american gets decapitated and you dont feel our soldiers are defending us from opposing threats. WOOOOOOW you know what your right its best if i stay asleep. |
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Nora .......how old are you ? |
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what? what does that have to do with my arguement? nothing. esp since he was in a WAR ZONE. its not like they came to american and did it. if we werent there, it wouldnt have happened. im so sick of you. im no longer discussing these issues with you because either a. you are completely retarded, and its a waste of my time, or b. you are just being a dick, trying to cause arguements. I really hope its b, because I find it hard that there is someone so stupid as you. |
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someone buy Zeus a beer !!! my question to Nora is more out of curiosity as it's obvious this person believes everything that is fed to shim (she-he, i don't care if you are make or female ....).. nuff said , this one seems so absurd i couldn't resist ... |
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virginpusher, "I dont like this idea. I mean if you are all for it then good for you. I think i should have the right to choose if i would like to participate in this or not. Draft? For what Iraq? N. Korea? Why would people even get drafted? I dont really like this because i feel as though it violates a freedom of choice. I'd rather not. I support our country but i am not willing to get my ass whipped around in some bumfuck country that perhaps we should get out of. **But then again this all boils down to opinions**" :::CLAPS AT A GREAT POST::: ;) you are rockin' now. no threats in that post. horray! |
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puralocha, "Nora .......how old are you ?" This man/woman is more educated than me on some foreign affa1rs than I am, from what I've read. Obviously you are making this judgement on one post, instead of the educatoin he/she has shown (along with all other opposings in this thread). Please try not to do a 1-liner statement like that again....kthx. |
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Zeus, It's ok. Try not to get all worked up. In the end, we're all on the same side. It's just hard to argue over the internet in text, iz all. :'( But good points from both sides. I enjoy arguments like this because an opposition point allows me to re-think my opinion; maybe formulate new ideas, and unfortunetely, put more backing behind my original opinion :( (sorry, but i'm only human). Touche' on a good thread. Don't let it make you hvae a bad day, now. |
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who was making threats? |
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wasnt this draft thing some dumb attempt by a congress man to make the sons of politicians go into the army instead of poor black americans. His claim was that they are the ones who fight and die in wars? something liek that, the congressmen was from ny. i read this on another msg board. what confuses me is , now that they let everyone in the army, men , women, supposedly gays, will they draft everyone? shit who cares if i go, i dont want my sister going to war. but thats what gets the topic so cloudy, they won't draft women and then it becomes a discriminations issue etc.. |
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"This man/woman is more educated than me on some foreign affa1rs than I am, from what I've read." you have GOT to be kidding me. nora never responds directly to a point or issue, he just says some other random thing, that is completely irrelevent. not trying to be a dick here, but seriously, show me a post where thier wisdom is displayed. |
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