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im not talking about oval or fennesz or something, the glitchy stuff with melodic elements just pure, hardcore noise - merzbow dont you think its pretty easy to make? i guess even merzbow himself doesnt have his own complete discography |
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i dont really wanted to spam this in a sneaky way (or maybe i do.) but i made this in like 10 minutes. okay its no real merzbow but its noise already |
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I tried listening to some once and maybe I am overly self conscious, but I felt pretty damned silly. The truth is that you can find beauty in anything, and depth if you inspect way too deeply.. |
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people probably appreciate the mythos more than anything. Besides, if technical difficulty correlated directly to value/popularity, we'd all be listening to brahms and bach all day. |
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cool, howd you make it? |
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knob fiddling on my little synth (microkorg) + some mastering and final effects in cool edit |
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i d/l some oriental dude. called masonna. man that was so fucking hardcore i can't listen to it. |
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err...i listen to bach everyday - his stuff aren't not that complicated, always the same rythms - but i love artists who treats noise (farmersmanual, hecker, smojphace) but i get bored of plain noise very quickly |
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analyze the construction of brahms 4th symphony, you'll see. |
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not much to be honest. each to theirr own. |
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did you find her yet? |
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Most pure noise (and like you say, by that I mean Merzbow type stuff, rather than noisy breakbeat like V.Snares or Melodic glitch like Oval) is bunk. Easy to make, not nice to listen to. I made a track named "5 Minute Noise" that I made in under 5 minutes, just to prove a point. It's rubbish, but then, so is most commercial noise. |
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Your track isn't bad at all though, it's sort of a dark ambient/industrial/noise hybrid, which works quite. |
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same with the file i posted :) just noise for the sake of it |
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sorry late followup |
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9157 |
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ah stop it. yes i know, in the period where i should have studied for school i posted like 200 or 300 times i suck. |
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no. but she'll pay. |
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ever since you picked on me for being on slsk too much, I've been in a panic. I suck. |
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Noise. i only really started getting into it as my knowledge of sonic art went up |
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Yeah I like the textures in that track. When I think of noise music I think of screaming and breaking glass and trash can lids and it's allcompressed and mixed at 0db and stupid people are pretending to hear all kinds of subtleties in it. |
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How about back alley gamelan? Very funny stuff. Shadetk uses MAX/MSP which i thought people only used to make noise with. |
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Precisely! :D |
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Great track Jaroen. This track is so complex and beautiful, you must have worked on it more than 3months no ? Where can i buy the album ? |
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I'm joking but take this track and one noise track from an artist. Who can see the difference ? Ok it's not as harsh as Merzbow or Masonna but i think those two guys don't spend more time on their tracks then you did. |
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Nevertheless i think you are right, sneakattack, beauty can be found everywhere (damned i watched American Beauty yesterday eveing, i hope this doesn't influence me too much) and i like listening to Merzbow or Masonna every now and then. It is sometimes relaxing (but in fact i'm often tense during the whole album). It can also be helpful to listen to harsh stuff when you are angry or feel bad (depends on people !). |
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i don't think good noise is that easy to make...but either way, i like the sound of it. |
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Yeah good noise maybe... but is Merzbow really good noise ? Nevertheless i like his stuff. |
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it's funny to think that Merzbow is a pretty "successful" artist, he got signed to lots of labels and you can find his releases in record stores... whereas if anyone on this board sends a noise track of the likes to a label, i guess there will be 99% chances it will be rejected... he was probably lucky or something. it's a bit like some contemporary artists doing very easy works, some action painting or monochromes... (i'm not saying it's so easy to make a perfect monochrome, i've heard it's a lot more difficult than it seems to make the surface really homogenous - and i guess action painting requires talent too, and probably making noise is easier than action painting or monochrome paintings but well) anyway i like Merzbow. (i don't listen to it that often, also because it is probably ear-damaging - my ears are ringing at the end of the album) i also like the sound of trains arriving in stations, especially when it's very loud. |
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Nice avatar. I agree with you on the point that "if anyone on this board sends a noise track of the likes to a label, i guess there will be 99% chances it will be rejected... he was probably lucky or something.". |
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kinda nice track... |
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:) its all live recorded you know with only a 400 € synth and it seems that its not far from some commercial noise tracks given the opinions in this track |
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(i'm not saying it's so easy to make a perfect monochrome, i've heard it's a lot more difficult than it seems to make the surface really homogenous I use a roller. |
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it's VERY fat from commercial noise tracks... |
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I hate noise music and your track doesn't get any different treatment |
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i'm sorry but i don't find anything interesting in this track, i find it quite predictable (compare this with hecker or smojphace, noise stuff that are both interesting/mindblowing/fascinating) |
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Merzbow fills my headphones with thick walls of sound. I will probably come to the point I won't care but I would like it if more musicians were influenced by it and made extreme dense musical structures. It's more like a sign where music could go. |
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yes i like when musical structure are dense sometimes ; squarepusher has done it on steinbolt for instance and that's pretty awesome ; notmyname : hecker and afx don't really do noise as Merzbow, that's no wonder if you find their stuff interesting/mindblowing/fascinating cause they are really good, but that can't be compared with real noise stuff |
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IMO |
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What I'm saying is that structurally it is simple/repetitive or incoherent but each part is like an oversaturation of notes and dynamics. If someone kept the harshness and spent time to create a interesting structure/progression I would be thrilled. |
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oh yes, their stuff are quite different from merzbow (je pense qu'afx & hecker transforment et subliment le truc bruitiste, qu'ils font avancer le smilblik) |
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yes it would be better if they spend more time on track structures (tout à fait d'accord avec toi, mais on pourrait être plus bruitiste encore et garder des constructions à la AFX ou Hecker, enfin je pense que c'est possible). |
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i haven't heard any Hecker yet, but i didn't like what i've heard from Smojphace (sound samples) at all... (à mon avis, même si je n'y connais rien ça doit être possible d'avoir plus de formes "variées" de noise-music, autres que comme Merzbow et comme Smojphace... d'ailleurs Merzbow a fait des trucs plus variés, Music For Bondage Performance par exemple, et aussi un peu A Taste Of... et Tamago) |
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notmyname: i think that afx & hecker transform and sublimate the noisy thing, that they make things advance Combo: i agree, but we could be more noisy still and keep structures like afx or hecker, well i think that's possible uzim: imo, even if i don't know shit about it it must be possible to get more "varied" forms of noise-music, other than like merzbow and like smojphace... by the way merzbow has done some more varied stuff, like Music For Bondage Performance and, to a lesser extent, A Taste Of.. and Tamago (hope i didn't do any translation mistakes : )) |
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hehe no you didnt :P |
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i only like the stuff if you can tell they put a bit of time into it to make it "beyond" noise.. a lot of music has an element of harshness or a bit of ear-scathing to it.. but it just really depends on how much the artist wants to embrace the sort of callousness to express themselves effectively/appropriately.. i do believe there are certain emotions/sates of mind that are best, or at least most easily, expressed through means of brutal, noisy chaos, but usually needing some other stuff.. unless you are a robot or something, the use of some discernable melody/recognisable textures is really needed. i really like the comparison to monochrome painting.. you can make a painting that is only black and white, like noise music which is often either pure, unrelenting noise or silence after turning off the cd in a stark contrast.. but why paint only in those colours when the brain wants you to always go a bit further?, if you are open to the piece going where it wants to and not fitting into a certain type of music in any way. if you just let it do its own thing, in a realm between noise and music, then the few subtle musical elements can be so much more striking, like the inclusion of traces of blood-red or neon green on an otherwise bleak monochrome canvas. |
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i only listened to one noize release and that was like 2 years ago. as far as i can remember it sounded pretty wild,but i don't see it that much creative or anything. i mean every release or artist is an inventor in some way,but noize is to me like a cheap gettaway from production skills. |
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there's noise and there's noise music, that's the difference I guess, anyone can make noise but not anyone can make noise music |
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heh,that's true...every kind of music is not easy to make! i know that i suck in doing really minimal stuff cos i'm used to make complex beatz and scapes. noize music: take an simple brown / white / pink noize,modulate it as hell and put fx over it so it sounds even more sonic. i think the best part of noize is tweaking...heh, u can really get to know ur gear that way. |
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I like some of it when I'm in a particular mood... usually angry or frustrated. Or when I want to ''clear the basement''. But I generally think noise ''music'' is a load of horseshit, with brief moments of truly inspired sounds. But different strokes for different folks. |
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