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kindest greetings everyone. I joined this forum just to get a glimpse of the creative genii of my cousins, Ian Noll and qtrer. they are also lovers. please please please reply I'm desperate for attention. |
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your cousins are your lovers? |
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no they physically love one another |
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all your links are broken on that site ian and qrter are lovers? |
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i love the internet |
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A Russian link....hmm... |
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naturally they are. my broken links may be attributed to you either being uncreative, and/or gay, and/or using a Mac. apologies. |
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i am on a mac. |
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duh, they know you are on a mac. you don't need to tell them. this isn't a new person. |
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so you aren't ruling out being gay or uncreative. hi-hi-hi-hi |
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ecnadniarb> I am a new person. why should you doubt it? I just happened to know w M w's "real" name. |
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i know but like christina, Im bored enough to go along with it. |
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oh, in that case: WELCOME TO THE BOARD SKYFAR<>>> I MEAN CHRISTINA. |
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thanks for the latter part of the welcome! mwah! I bet skyfar is quite an asshole, on account of me being an asshole in my first topic (purely out of boredom you must believe me) and you believing I'm him/her. |
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oops I just noticed what ecnadniarb said. my site isn't russian. my gf studies russian but still that's my closest relation with the Reds. my actual url is http://darksprite.chaos-rules.com/ and the free redirect service (of which I'm thankful) is www.da.ru . Those cool people allow me to call my site www.christinart.da.ru this is not an ad |
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So you're a lesbian? |
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Russian lesbian??? hott |
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transexual lesbian. why is this important? (used to be a boy. if ignorant about transexual mating habits, check the very good FAQ ) no point in me talking about transexual habits or rights. kisses |
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Nice try. |
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try at what? |
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I have no idea |
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hELLO! omg! aRE YOU A HUMAN FEMALE OR A PIKACHU? eITHER WAY, i WOULD, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, HUMP YOUR FACE IF YOU LIKE. dON'T TELL QRTER i LOVE YOU. |
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Hello Christina. Have you ever been slightly on the west? |
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I'm a human transgendered male ian, so now a female. omg I don't usually have my face humped, but I might let you if you gave me your talent. qrter always knew you're being untrue to him. plus, we're cousins. sempoo> is greece west or east? |
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erm... i'm not totally sure what to think about all this, the fact that you're stating that ian and qrter are gay in your first message, that you're saying you're desperate for attention, that you have pikachu on your avatar, that you put a "â„¢" after "art?", that you put antislashes in your urls making the site harder to navigate through with a mac (is this on purpose?), i think i'll just say nothing.... o_O i like your artwork though. that "trojan horse" one is quite disturbing and sickening... (well, the others as well!) |
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yay tx uzim. very cool avatar. I could fix my "/" in my site's urls but Fireworks put it there, it wasn't my fault, and now it's just too much work. more work than apologising to Mac users. tx again for the kindness. |
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Definitely south-east. |
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ok... : ) so, for mac users: |
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txx uzim u're the first one to take me seriously and be decent to me. |
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Those are some quality drawings. You made them all? I thought the one eyed cat was wicked, but then I found out it was a fish and not a one eyed cat. I always had an idea for a drawing technique that I havn't tried much because it would take too much time, but like that scorpion for example.. since you're the drawer you can draw it anyway you like to turn it into something you'd not normally see in reality. So you could give it a pencil instead of a scorpion tail. The thing is to use real objects to draw from since they contain subtle detail you can mimic to make the drawing more "real" than just drawing things you imagine (probably). but the pencil-tail is a stupid example, the real idea is to keep fusing objects that later, when looked at as a whole would be something "real" looking but unidentifiable as to it's constituent parts, maybe like the inside booklet for tri repetae by autechre sort of. When I drew though, I just drew directly from imagination sometimes- usually- using subtle shading in the paper's texture as a guide. |
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I like your artwork. you're a talented boy or girl or boygirl. |
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Impressive stuff! What is the technique? Oil? Maybe Photoshop? |
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isnieZot> girl. and tx, kind of you. w M w yes I painted them all. and surprisingly, I've thought about the exact same thing. Yes I should paint more from life. But the really interesting point is when you fuse stuff, even if it's an actual foto u're manipulating, it might not be identified by the viewer as what it is. The brain won't understand that (for example) in the respective Rene Magritte painting, a bottle is turning into a carrot, because I think the brain is on the look-out for certain properties of an object. That's probably why Magritte painted an actual carrot and an actual bottle next to their fusion, so that the brain deciphers it more easily. At this present junction as you understand, I'm more inclined to make identifiable fusions, because in my naive opinion they "mean" something. (that's because I'm not very talented yet, and yes my stuff does take a lot of time, precisely because I'm an amateur. like months) For example I'm now painting a crucified jesus as seen from below, who is fused to his cross (for some reason). it's important to me that the cross and the jesus do look a bit real, in order to "prove" my point to the viewer. but I'm more and more inclined to think the way you do on mixing realistic objects. perhaps I can do something interesting someday. tx Ian. could we work on an idea for a painting together sometime? |
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photoshop with a tablet. tx |
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Well... to do that we'd have to share files over the internet obviously. I tend to never use color in any of my drawings, just pencil and I tend to make really small intricate things. They can however be blown up in size to color better. You seem great with color so perhaps could color one of my drawings someday? Other than that it's hard to collaberate... since I don't ever have something in mind when I draw, it'd be hard to think of a drawing topic together or something. I have/had a weird "technique" where I just draw what's currently imagined. I had a long period where I stopped drawing, but recently picked up a pencil again. I've been avoiding it because it was almost a religious period where I felt like I lost my soul. Some of the drawings I made are just like... fuck... they're an exact non-word convertable expression of how fucked I felt. Barfing poetry is a good description. www.iuma.com/wmw (at the bottom) has some. I never used photoshop. Do you actually draw with a mouse? It probably has one of those pad doohickies where you can draw with an electric pen? Mouses are way to shaky for me. |
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yes well, I've seen two of your sketches (actually 2 of the three that are put up in your page, the click and the vaginal thingie) and they're as clever as your rhythms. I think I'd enjoy trying some constructivism with you (the art movement that I think dealt with painting masses of machinery piled on one another) or something of the sort. or just discussing what could be a step ahead from such "fine" but naive and useless paintings. there's a person who does something like what I imagine you're talking about: on the subject of photoshop, well, you can try using it, it's not harder than cubase 5 was. Yes of course I use a graphic tablet+pen (cheapest WACOM I could find) However I did do some of my work with just the mouse, and the brush set to "fade" (that's like starting out with a brush being loaded with paint and at the end of your brush stroke there isn't any paint left). That carrot-angel was one of those. Mouse is shaky, but you learn to cope by making gentle moves. The "what's currently imagined" technique was kinda well-researched by the surrealists under the name "automatic drawing". On another note, how was it a religious period and how did you feel you had lost your soul? and something I remembered and kinda wanted to put accross for discussion, I'm becoming increasingly convinced that an artist's thoughts or effort put in a piece are completely irrelevant. The finished piece belongs to the viewers/listeners/readers and their opinion is final. I don't think a single AUTECHRE member thought of their pieces as alien insects having sex, but there it is.. In the same way, that fish you saw in my thingie, could well be the elongated head of a cat. I saw a cat when I looked again. what the fuck is the meaning of art then? coz most people will tell you it's about expressing yourself. me, I'm |
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just ignorant. |
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thomas brinkmann tokyo+1 |
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i want to bum you. |
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christina what? |
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Wow... ! "intermezzo" in bern's gallery (the first picture that popped up) is perhaps the best drawing I've ever seen. That's the type of thing I would have strove to create had I pursued drawing further. It also does look like it could maybe be created in that "surreal" way I mentioned (like using clothing folds and other things perhaps). I almost can't justify taking the time to make things like that myself anymore. If I had made that I would have made it much smaller to require less time shading etc. It would appear more detailed because of scale, but wouldn't be as high of a resolution in detail also because of scale. The quality of that thing is better than things I made. It even looks restricted being confined to a conventional rectangle. Well, when I drew a lot I was in high school mostly and doing so was a necessary relieving expression of .. perhaps self hatred. I didn't have it the worst, but for whatever reason didn't handle it very well. I couldn't stand being humuliated by other people and gradually hated other people and myself. It sounds like a lame problem and probably is considering there is a wounded creature somewhere right now being taunted by predators, with just enough energy to put up enough of a fight to go through another unimaginably horrible night. It was just the dulling reoccurence of the same dreadful day repeating hundreds of times with minor variation. I don't want to say much more about it than that. My school experience sort of fucked me up permanently as I have no friends and strive to make none to this day. I would say that an artist's thoughts/feelings put into a piece vary in degree of relevence from case to case. If an artist uses a scientific idea (say a fractal) or relies on sophisticated technology (comlex sound generating computer algorithm) then the nature of the idea/algorithm determines the output more than the human brain (the brain did perhaps select a particularly pleasing fractal or algorithm though). Otherwise, yeah I'd say thoughts and feel |
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ART THREAD |
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ings (logic/ emotions) perhaps solely play a part in the output (other than the nature of the medium.) Humans are very culturally varying though. Some humans havn't, for whatever reason, developed the sort of culture that would cause them to appreciate "art" much. Perhaps only those who have culturally learned to escape from reality into something appreciate it.. But even of those who like art, there are again varying reasons and aesthetic preferences. The reasons for this are tied in with the complex developement of each unique individual brain. So where this is going is that, if one person creates a work of art for his/her particular emotional/logical reason (well, emotional is more subjective than logical I assume.. not having been in anyone else's brain I don't know for sure...) it can be interpret by a different viewer using their own learned culture/behavior of their own brain to draw their own subjective conclusions/emotions. I thought Lp5 was one of the most fantistic artistic creations by humanity at one point for example, for whatever my reasons, but autechre said themselves it's not their favorite album. |
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Hey! Don't you ever interrupt me again! Even if you are a paying member and I am not! By the way, since you're a paying member you should threaten to sue phobiazero if he does not immediately fix the innacurate character counter. and the eyes on the top and the "thoughest" thing. |
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Someone paid for my account for me. It was a present. I would like to see the eyes at the top go, though. Most of all, I like you, and I hope that we can go to a waltz together some time in the near future. |
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ahhhhhh... :*) (um, is that the right "crying" face) |
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try either : :_( or :'( |
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:') ah, yes |
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that just looks like a smug pinocchio |
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what right have you to talk, snakeattack?! your current ant avatar lookes like a weird brownish anal dildo. :] ian> people have to LEARN to escape from mundanity? you have a strange idea about the common person... it's one of the things that comes naturally to every society, on account of the human animal not having been designed to live so long and to realise its nothingness in the universe. so as far as I'm concerned, what societies do is filter out "bad things" for poor humans in order to help them not go whack, and replacing them with elegant theories that "make sense".. and yes in a brain confused in THIS way to think there is a meaning to life, art does or doesn't play a role.. but at best it's just another thing that societies can use to appease people (and money can be made). so some people are being convinced that striving to appreciate art is a finer goal than, say, follow their stronger instincts.. but yes, there's no mistake that what you like in art, even when it's designed to specifically stimulate a part of your brain to the max (say red and white squares by that painter Mondrian, or complex equations used for rhythmic parts to cause a difficult to follow noise) even then, what gives you the pleasant/unpleasant feeling of satisfaction/indifference is how you have come to connect the stimulation of the specific brain region with feelings of "chemical reward" (by drugs inherent in the human body). And there's no need in me telling you what triggers chemical reward in different people... from chocolate to pedophilia and, closely following, Vanilla Ice... so when we create "art", we can at best hope to be appreciated by like-minded people. because I can't see anything that can trigger a universally uniform reaction. hm... other than that, I knew u'd like what bern does. but see, it's been done before, so an "artist" motivated by her own (mis)conceptions about "art", wouldn't find it very rewarding to continue in the same vein. |
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