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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-26 10:34 [#01120532]
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rwanda
oh my god why doesn't the US jsut give iraq over the the UN like they should?! i hate those imperialists! theres nothing worse than taking over the oil of another country! "security".. HA! get out US! the UN must be allowed to do its noble work!
oh wait...
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-03-26 10:36 [#01120534]
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Yes, taking over the oil of another country.
:::waiting for factual confirmation::
......please provide some?
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-03-26 10:37 [#01120538]
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Do you still know how rampant slavery is today?
Oh and by the way, your title is supposed to be "fucking, america!"
Not "fucking america!"
I mean, yes, we are gettin' it on...
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-26 10:38 [#01120539]
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uh.... i was joking see the link
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-26 10:38 [#01120542]
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Lots of slavery in the middle east still.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-03-26 10:38 [#01120543]
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man, gas is hella expensive.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-26 10:39 [#01120547]
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lol yes i still know... dont worry i haven't forgotten
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-03-26 10:42 [#01120553]
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Lots of slavery everywhere, especially in Africa.
Yet if we chose to go after some of those countries to free them, we would only be bashed as "an attempt to take over +/- police the world."
Catch22.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-03-26 10:42 [#01120554]
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it takes a huge ballzac to accept the blame for the genocide of 800,000 people.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-03-26 10:44 [#01120558]
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i'm certainly no expert. but, when it comes to taking decisive action it seems like the UN suffers from the 'too many cooks in the kitchen' syndrome.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-03-26 10:45 [#01120559]
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:D!!
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2004-03-26 10:45 [#01120560]
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or...... it takes a tiny sack for letting 800,000 people die, and THEN accepting responsibility.
btw: we'll all know if American's truely give a shit come November, watch this space.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-26 10:45 [#01120561]
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Yeah I'd agree with that broadly too.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-03-26 10:46 [#01120564]
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that being said, i think the UN can and does play an irreplaceable diplomatic role in global politics.
they can mobilize aid very well, and the UN offers a nice semi-neutral ground for diplomatic talks.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-03-26 10:49 [#01120567]
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but, it's too easy to hide behind the shield of the UN when faced with really hard decisions, like the one in iraq. this way, no single nation has to take responsiblity for the fact that thousands of little kids and their moms are starving to death every couple of months because nobody wants to get involed in the steaming pile of shit that are 5,000 year old tribal bonds.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-26 10:53 [#01120572]
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i cant wait to march in the HUUUGE anti-UN protests that are surely gonna spring up around the world now.... i mean, 800,000 dead!!!
not to mention all the other genocides that have happened in that area
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-26 10:57 [#01120577]
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Yeah exactly.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-03-26 11:33 [#01120594]
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lol @ ephos..
so true.... :(
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-26 11:43 [#01120601]
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Oh and by the way, your title is supposed to be "fucking,
america!"
No, that is completely wrong. He got it right the first time.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-26 21:36 [#01121253]
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epohs, I agree with you entirely
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avart
from nomo' on 2004-03-27 09:44 [#01121533]
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Have you ever wonder WHY Africa is so fucked up?!!?
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Matvey
from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2004-03-27 11:18 [#01121591]
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miln.swf
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2004-03-27 11:21 [#01121594]
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how is the UN more noble and sensible than a single country, considering their only interest as an organisation is NOT pissing anyone off?
im HIGHLY opposed to a world government, and the UN certainly qualifies.
the actual country has nothign to do with the decisions of a few rich old white dudes and some braindead rednecks who think any war is a good war.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-03-27 11:26 [#01121597]
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I'm not happy about the indecisive actions the UN takes (or not takes), but at least they take their responsibility.
would you expect to see the Bush administration to EVER say something is their fault?
it IS important for any government to show their people that they have made mistakes and own up to them.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-03-27 11:27 [#01121599]
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"im HIGHLY opposed to a world government, and the UN certainly qualifies."
as does the US.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2004-03-27 11:29 [#01121602]
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and we have.
america has made TONS of mistakes in the past, and has tried to rectify them as best it can. or so it seems.
i guess its all subjective.
i just think when it comes down to it, saddam hussein was doin bad. he was hurting people in large numbers. we dont want another hitler, so we took him out.
if that makes us look bad, or they have soem alterior motives, fine. honestly, to me its some peace of mind to know he isnt torturing people anymore.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2004-03-27 11:30 [#01121604]
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how so?
im talking one world, one government nwo type crap.
and yeh, the US is all about it, but look at the EU. im more worried about THOSE freaks than us.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-03-27 11:31 [#01121608]
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the US at the moment is operating as if they are the UN.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2004-03-27 11:36 [#01121613]
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dude, its war
no one asks "ok?" when theres a war on.
bin laden didnt ask if its ok to tear down our tallest buildings.
saddam didnt ask if it was ok to gas his own people.
i hate the cowboy mentality, but the addage is true: sometimes you do gotta just say screw it and pick the lesser of two evils.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-03-27 12:41 [#01121661]
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yes.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-03-27 12:42 [#01121663]
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People are starting to act like we live in a utopia society now, since technology is upon us.
WRONG.
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hobbes
from age on 2004-03-27 14:25 [#01121757]
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madeleine albright said that maybe half a million iraki children were killed, that it was a though decision and a hard price to pay but ultimately worth it.....
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2004-03-27 14:41 [#01121762]
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the rain falls upon the just as well as the wicked.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-03-27 14:50 [#01121763]
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...a little rain, must fall.
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hobbes
from age on 2004-03-27 14:53 [#01121765]
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interesting toronto star column.
lots of other views from this great american citizen here
im sure not everyone will agree but i like what he has to say . :)
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-27 15:01 [#01121768]
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the majority of the world isn't particularly impressed with the way the US has acted since 9/11.
I'm hoping Europe will become a superpower to rival the US. I hate the way the US can do what it likes.
'War on Terrorism' - Lets bomb a few countries and piss them off even more, yeah thats going to work. idiots. If they keep acting like this terrorism is going to get worse and worse. Ever seen the film Brazil?
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hobbes
from age on 2004-03-27 15:02 [#01121769]
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got the song in my head now
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-27 15:12 [#01121776]
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Its a tricky situation. Democracy is wonderful when it works
(usually in peace time) . When the singular power of a dictator is divided into the hands of the public it's beautiful
(hasn't happened,yet). There is a down side, not much gets done. Our representatives seem to spend their entire workday trying to figure out how not to get blamed for anything. This creates an atmosphere of indecision, name calling, blame gaming, etc...
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godataloss
from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 15:14 [#01121779]
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As for Rwanda- that shit has been going on for decades- the African nations that arent starving to death are fuck killing eachother in civil wars. The reason nothing was done about it was because the US didnt step in for once. There was no oil so our check book stayed on our pocket. Why doesnt the fucking EUROPEAN UNION step up to the plate and pony up some cash. You assholes are the first to cricize the United States but you sure have taken our money and military help time and again as well as our culture that you enjoy mocking, but copy every chance you get.
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godataloss
from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 15:17 [#01121781]
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Bogala sounds nice but you are wrong.
The reason democracy doesnt work is special interest groups. Until there is some kind of meaningful campaign finance reform, elections will always be swayed by big business. Let's just hope the current thieves in office have galled the sheep of america enough to actually vote.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-27 15:18 [#01121782]
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oh how i love mcdonalds... i wish we had more over here
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hobbes
from age on 2004-03-27 15:20 [#01121786]
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ha ha ha!
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godataloss
from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 15:27 [#01121794]
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What about Jazz, hip hop, fucking rock and roll, blues? on and on- Nothing culturally relavant has come out of Europe for at least 300 years.
Looks like the pilgrims took all the soul with them aboard the Mayflower!
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-27 15:30 [#01121797]
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What's this Mcdonalds thing with the Euros? You must have shitloads over there.
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hobbes
from age on 2004-03-27 15:32 [#01121803]
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the last ten years of u.s music have been so awesome!
ok then , get it out! peeing contest or just size?
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hobbes
from age on 2004-03-27 15:33 [#01121809]
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that was for godataloss
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-27 15:34 [#01121815]
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I agree there godataloss. Campaign finance as it stands is fucking horribly corrupt. I don't want a Nader in office, though. As for the Euros, I don't see any differences from the US..You take any chance you can get to hock something over here. You are capitalists with a national health plan.
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godataloss
from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 15:36 [#01121819]
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Ok lets see- there's Radiohead and then there's Aphex and then there are a thousand groups trying to be Radiohead and Aphex... and while great, I hardly think that they will end up creating or defining a genre.
No pissing contest- its just will all the US bashing around here you goons ought to get your history strait
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-27 15:40 [#01121830]
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I will concede, big business in the US does stifle our artists. There are shitloads of excellent artists, bands, etc here that never get heard..
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-27 15:41 [#01121832]
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how did americans get so fat so quickly?
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