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offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 15:45 [#01121843]
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How did the UK go from the world's biggest empire to
politically, and technologically irrevelant in less than
100 years?


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-27 15:49 [#01121853]
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heh, I was only joking, its the title of a book thats came
out recently.

as for the British Empire, I don't really care...


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-27 15:50 [#01121854]
Points: 5125 Status: Regular



you wish you were fat. Supersizing everything. Ihoppin your
ass. All nite dining. Stacks of choices. It's wonderful.
Regular utopia.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-27 15:51 [#01121858]
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I wish I was british. So I could have that cool accent. Any
one of them. They are all cool.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-03-27 15:51 [#01121861]
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"You assholes are the first to criticize the United States
but you sure have taken our money and military help time and
again as well as our culture that you enjoy mocking, but
copy every chance you get."(godataloss from Cleveland
(United States) on 2004-03-27 23:14 [#01121779])

godataloss: care to explain the culture bit please.?


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 15:52 [#01121863]
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MEE TOO and with that I think i will drive down to the
corner and get a bucket of deep fried chicken skin and
gravy!

America fuckin rocks!


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2004-03-27 15:55 [#01121866]
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hobbes, it's over yer head.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-03-27 15:55 [#01121867]
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"No pissing contest- its just will all the US bashing around

here you goons ought to get your history strait "

for me we're just exchanging views, sharing thoughts.
im not a u.s basher.



 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-03-27 15:59 [#01121873]
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what is over my head elusive, how cool you are?


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 16:01 [#01121875]
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sorry Im just a little sensitive- just because our
president (who stole the election) is a complete moron
doesnt mean we are all stupid


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-03-27 16:03 [#01121877]
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i hear that sir!


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 16:07 [#01121879]
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Americans may be fat and lazy, but we smell good and all
have nice white- perfectly staight teeth. You Europeans
have pooor personal hygene. Smelly balls and grey horse
teeth.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-03-27 16:10 [#01121888]
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but hey we also have teeth and balls! could we actualy be
more similar than we think?


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2004-03-27 16:12 [#01121892]
Points: 10513 Status: Lurker



wow, i leave for like an hour or 2 and its gone from a
political discussion to name calling?

smelly balls and grey teeth.

THAT is the exact reason this type of global crap happens.
there IS no civil rest.


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 16:15 [#01121895]
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consider the thread title- it was bound to happen. Now I
am off to cook monkfish for my darling girlfriend.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-03-27 16:17 [#01121898]
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true , the thread title is inappropriate.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-27 16:59 [#01121963]
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it was a joke!

look at the article!
jesus....


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-27 17:02 [#01121966]
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go ahead and blame it on the thread title... but it will do
nothing to address the real cause: your violent nature!


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-27 17:05 [#01121971]
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Noam Chomsky uses the kind of linguistic features he helped
pioneer the study (and criticism over) of in his own writing
to make it persuasive... its ridiculous


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-27 17:06 [#01121972]
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*study of (and criticism over)

didn't really make sense before


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-03-27 17:18 [#01121983]
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that does'nt stop the fact he's got some good points. im
sure he is falible somewhere though, thats obvious, and its
up to the reader to pick out the things that make sense to
him or not.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-27 17:20 [#01121985]
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yeah he sure does make some good points... and i think hes
also trying to make a point by using those features himself


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-03-27 17:24 [#01121988]
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well he is a linguist ;)


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-27 17:49 [#01122018]
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This talk of negotiating with the terrorists makes no sense
to me,..It's pretty clear that the demand is for Israel to
be rid of all Jews. Not live together in peace, or divide
plots up. Entirely Muslim. That's what they want. Sure oil
has much to do with conflict. Western nations bullying a bit
to get what they want. Sure, but the real steam for the
anger comes from support for Israel and the Jewish people.
Until they are gone there will be conflict. No matter how
many concessions are made.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-03-27 18:03 [#01122027]
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"it's pretty clear that the demand is for Israel to
be rid of all Jews. Not live together in peace, or divide
plots up"

does israel really want peace though? they've had
military occupation in palestine for 35 years or so.

" steam for the
anger comes from support for Israel and the Jewish people.
"

yes thats true.

*i should learn how to do italics*



 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 18:04 [#01122028]
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You would think Isreal would unite the arab people, but
there they sit on the west bank with a big bullseye on their
foreheads and all the arab nations can do is find a poor
palistinian and strap some c4 to his back and have him go
blow up a bus.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-27 18:12 [#01122049]
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a lot of people gravely under-estimate the popularity and
depth of anti-semitism and anti-israel sentiments in the
muslim world

most palestinians want israel not to exist

most israelies favour an independant palestine

the way the media here portrays it, especially the
"independant" liberal stuff all the political kids read, you
dont get that impression at all......


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 18:15 [#01122051]
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QUOTE of AMINAl- "a lot of people gravely under-estimate
the popularity and
depth of anti-semitism and anti-israel sentiments in the
muslim world"

Are you out of your frigging mind?



 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-27 18:15 [#01122052]
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hey theyve tried to destroy israel by invading it, and they
pull outrageous shit in the UN all the time to paint israel
as the only racist country in the world, to change the
definition of "anti-semitism" to include hatred of muslims,
etc.....


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-03-27 18:15 [#01122053]
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If I was a Palestinian, I bet I wouldn't want Isreal to
exist either. Is that such a big surprise?


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-27 18:16 [#01122054]
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i dont think so


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-27 18:20 [#01122059]
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no i guess not


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-03-27 18:23 [#01122064]
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AMinal: when you say "independant " liberal media, you
mean as opposed to fox news and cnn? probably not but im
just curious.

as for the "political kids" remark dont you think its a bit
condescending?


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-27 18:33 [#01122077]
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strongly left-wing news sources like to call themselves
"independant" (example for some reason..... i guess
they mean they're not a big corporation..... when i think of
hte independance of a news source, i think of it meaning in
terms of bias... like do they have a social/political
agenda, are they tied to certain social/political
causes....... not financial independance..... anyways i
think its a little misleading

sorry i should have said strongly politically opinionated
people in general, all ages..... it applies to everyone

i was thinking "political kids" though cus at my age we
practically are kids with big opinions on big issues that
are based mostly on bullshit.... old people seem to tend to
be a little calmer when it comes to jumping to pick one side
or another, and they dont have as strong an
'anti-establishment' instinct affecting it, and they aren't
as passionate about speaking out about a cause and trying to
change other opinions..... i mean in general it seems to be
a trend

not that adults are much more informed with their opinions


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 18:35 [#01122080]
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Jews are the biggest racists on the planet. Its probably
the onlly reason they are still a people.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-27 18:39 [#01122092]
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i wonder if youll get banned for that, or if youd get banned
for saying it about some other group

arguably a lot worse than creating some pointless topics


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-03-27 18:41 [#01122095]
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AMinal:
i see what you mean about the trendy aspect. and believe
me i hate it. i've mostly stopped talking about these
subjects with a lot of people coz of this. but it remains a
positive thing to express your views and create a dialogue.a
certain exchange is important.
when people try to tell you how to think as opposed to what
they think is when it gets dodgy. i think.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-03-27 18:44 [#01122103]
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excuse my poor writing....
the 3 "think"s were painfull for me too!
i should have read it again


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 18:48 [#01122106]
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Not that I give a shit about being banned, but I'm certainly
not an antisemite. If 6 million of my people were waxed,
I'd wanna circle the wagons too. My experience with
jewish racism came when I tried to date a JAP (jewish
american princess) and her parents found out I was an Irish
catholic- it was game over- they told her they would take
away her inheritance if she married me.

Nice, huh?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-03-27 19:00 [#01122119]
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"What about Jazz, hip hop, fucking rock and roll, blues?
on and on- Nothing culturally relavant has come out of
Europe
for at least 300 years."


ha ha!

"Jazz came to America 300 years ago in chains. The
psalm-singing Dutch traders, sailing in 1619, described
their cargo as '14 black African slaves for sale in his
Majesty's colonies'. But this priceless freight - destined
three centuries later to set a whole nation dancing - went
unnoted and unhibited by the stolid, revenue-hungry
Dutchmen.
The thrifty Dutch traders, after they had successfully
disposed of their human wares and unwittingly assured a
future for jazz, returned home to put their money in the
bank and to repair piously to church and praise the Lord for
his goodness."


- "Jazz", Paul Whiteman and Mary Margaret McBride

..anyway - if I only thought that you had any inkling
of an idea what has been happening culturally in Europe for
the last 300 years, I could take your statement seriously.


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 19:05 [#01122130]
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beautiful quote

gee I never knew that the dutch invented jazz.

Shit 300 years ago I thought they were just hopping on ships
and inventing the stock market

who knew?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-03-27 19:07 [#01122133]
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good response!

"..uh..uh...uh....!"


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 19:15 [#01122157]
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I admire the dutch- they are very much like the japanesee
in that they have never invented anything and yet they have
used technology greatly to their advantage


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-03-27 19:21 [#01122165]
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thats rather silly in my opinion. both those countries
invented stuff,obviously.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-27 20:53 [#01122241]
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That bit about the marriage thing was funny. Sorry, but it
made me chuckle. If a group of people had no interest in
negotiating a compromise, but instead, wanted nothing except
for to you to die or leave and was prepared to kill,
randomly, innocent civilians until such time, wouldn't you
want to keep them at arm's length? That's what's happened in
Israel. That's why there is a wall.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-03-27 20:56 [#01122242]
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If someone forcibly removes you from your home, wouldn't you
want to use force against them?


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-27 22:08 [#01122277]
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if people were randomly blowing up and otherwise killing
your citizens on streets and in restaurants and were intent
on the destruction of your people, wouldn't you use force to
stop them?

i dont get your point... you could try justify either side
by saying its a natural reaction to the toher side...

also theres a big difference between the kind of force that
removes someone from their home and the kind that destroys a
bus full of random civilians

and theres a difference between using force to defend
yourself and using it to simply kill as many people as you
can


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-27 22:11 [#01122280]
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i get what you mean hobbes.. i agree...


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-03-27 22:13 [#01122282]
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quote- "also theres a big difference between the kind of
force that
removes someone from their home and the kind that destroys a

bus full of random civilians

and theres a difference between using force to defend
yourself and using it to simply kill as many people as you
can """""""""""""""""""""

one man's terrorist is another man's patroit.



 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-03-28 20:54 [#01123135]
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a great Comsky quote:

"When I'm driving, I sometimes turn on the radio and find
that I'm listening to a discussion about sports. People call
in and have long and intricate discussions with a high
degree of thought and analysis. They know all kinds of
complicated details and have far-reaching discussions about
whether the coach made the right decisions yesterday and so
on. They don't defer to sports experts; they have their own
opinion and speak with confidence. These are ordinary
people, not professionals, who are applying their
intelligence and analytic skills in these areas and
ccumulating quite a lot of knowledge. On the other hand,
when I hear people talk about, say, international affairs or
domestic problems, it's at a level of superficiality that is
beyond belief. I don't think that international or domestic
affairs are much more complicated than sports. And what
passes for serious intellectual discourse on these topics
does not reflect any deeper level of understanding or
knowledge....It does not require extraordinary skill or
understanding to take appart the illusions and deception
that prevent understanding of contemporary reality. It
requires the kind of normal skepticism and willingness to
apply one's analytic skills that almost all people have. It
just happens that people tend to exercise them in analyzing
what, say, the New England Patriots ought to do next sunday
instead of questions that really matter."


 


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