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has anyone seen this movie yet??? no movi in the world has ever had such an impact on me... ever! a review: "a piece of work so visually fascinating and yet so hard to look at in moments that averting one's eyes is simply not an option. In perhaps what is the most courageous display of filmmaking I've ever seen, No? pushes the envelope with depictions of rape and violence so profoundly disturbing in their sense of realism that they cannot be stricken from memory. Call it the best display of excess you've ever witnessed, or label it a mere exploitation flick with carnage to spare; love it, like it, or hate it, forgetting the experience is not one of your options." |
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i am a rapist. this movie is a hack ripoff of my life. |
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there was a 10 minutE rape scene, and it looks so fucking real. it's becaus the dude that was raping the girl in the movie, is actually her husband in real life. fukkt ^ |
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bah, tragedy..... I haven't talked to you in so long, you words are losing relevance...... |
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It's a beautiful movie. The amazing thing about that rape scene, aside from the gratuitous violence, was that it was all in one shot. So if they fucked up, they had to reshoot in. I wonder how many takes it took? I must say the fire extinguisher scene was much more shocking, much more difficult to watch. Being a guy, it's hard not to get turned on by the rape scene, it is afterall just sex. But seeing that guy's face turned bag of pulp made me so nauseated. The music going on (made by one of the guys in Daft Punk), along with the camerawork, I just couldn't help from feeling ill. For the first time I felt perhaps what Alex felt like in A Clockwork Orange during the Ludivigo(sp?) treatment scenes. tragedy: that was her husband? I thought her husband was the guy who played her boyfriend? |
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correct |
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it is filmed in an awesome way, with spinning camera, and the idea to shot each scene in one go...music is pretty great as well and well monica is always nice to see. i quite impressed when i saw it for the first time and i had to watch it the 2nd time, but i haven't seen in in about a year now so i guess it wasn't that great the 2nd time haha. actually i think i made a mistake by watching it twice cuz if i only saw it once i'd be still impressed with it :) |
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film boyfriend = life husband = vincent cassel |
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yeah, he's a pretty lucky guy. |
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damn right they've been together ages |
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anyway, they seemed a nice couple in the film and im happy for them. honestly. |
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just watched it... twas disturbing (obviously)... but still can't beat out 120 days of Sodom for most disturbing fictional film ever made... that pointless remark aside (i guess maybe it's me taunting you to watch 120 days of sodom...?), the film was pretty interesting... i mean the camera work is very disorienting, but it's very well photographed... and you almost get the sense that you're being let off easy in the end when they don't make you watch the Rectum sequence straight on... plus i suppose it's trying to convey the dizzying blur of passion caused by the rape scene... |
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a thought: does "time destroy everything" in the sense that our anxiety about the horrific nature of said acts is significantly dulled by the subsequent sequences which don't maintain the same level of tension? like the man at the beginning who speaks of when he raped his daughter... the pain has dulled through the weathering of time (and yet, maybe it hasn't... he speaks of how he can't stop thinking about the act in his mind...) food for thought anyways... |
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rape. |
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oh.... wow. that's fuckd up |
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so would you say there is much of a redeeming moral or meaning behind this movie..? or is it mainly trying to be shocking just for the sake of it? ..or to maybe just get you thinking about morality and conscience in general.. i ask this because i don't know if i want to see all that if it's just going to make me uncomfortable/queasy..and that's all...... |
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i dislike movies with overt morality... it's tough to say if this movie has much of a moral... because of how it's filmed everything evoked is kind of sucked back into the vortex... if you don't enjoy watching really horrific films i'd say don't bother because there isn't going to be someone there at the end to tell you how very very very bad this all was... |
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don't think i have the stomach to watch it on the big screen, so i'll probably download it. |
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it isn't that disturbing.really. when i was watching it in a teathre, lots of people left, but even the rape scene isn't that sick, i mean it's disturbing cos of the rape itself not so much for how was it filmed. i saw quite some way more disturbing films tho, so maybe thats the reason... |
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btw, for more thoughts -> |
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does it move as much as requiem for a dream? that film actually nade me feel sick, and I will NEVER watch it again. |
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i actually rented this movie last weekend...lovely camerawork..and really haunthing...the extuingisher scene actually made me squirm abit...and im pretty desensitized to movie violence..and the rape scene was disturbing..had to fast forward the last minutes of it....and maybe im mistaken..but didnt the rapist actually get away..as it was some other dude pierre smashed...and you could see the rapist looking at the beating in the bar...which made the movie even more disturbing.... |
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It definitely pushes the censors when it comes to content thats for sure.... ;p Yep the "extinguisher" scene is pretty fucked up because it seems real as its done in one take. (I found it amusing myself) but when Vincent Cassell gets his arm snapped.... *ow... thats too real looking too*. The rape scene went on a bit too long for my liking. Why should people get upset over things like that being shown in cinema? It happens in real life... |
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fernz> i'm pretty sure that is why the rape scene went on that long. i think the director wanted to portray a since of "real"ism. most fils with rape scenes sugar coat it, for the audiences sake, but women get raped every single day, and 1/2 the time killed too. |
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actually that rape scene was directed by monica herself. at least that's what director said. apperantly there wasn't much script for this film, they were improvising a lot...so the outcome is even more impressive lnowing that :) |
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i think the most depressing part is where they're laying in bed happy.... heh. |
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there was a 10 minutE rape scene, and it looks so fucking real. it's becaus the dude that was raping the girl in the movie, is actually her husband in real life. fukkt ^ this reminds of Monoid's old "forced entry - porn review"-topic... I'm pretty sure that movie is more disturbing, but I haven't seen it. Anyway I think Jewel De Nyle and Juliano (I think that's their names) who did the first scene in that movie are married aswell... |
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actually the guy that was raping her isn't her real husband. her husband is the boyfriend in this film. anyway, there was a lot of computer animation added in the rape scene - according to the director (even the rapist's penis was added after they shot the scene). don't let this comments turn you off of seeing it, cuz it's an alright film, and the scenes aren't as shocking as you might think. |
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don't let this comments turn you off of seeing it, cuz it's an alright film, and the scenes aren't as shocking as you might think. no no :) I've got an open mind, and I wanna see this movie! I have no problem with "schocking movies" - I mean the fact that they are shocking, but I wonder if the director really is good if he needs 10 minutes to make a rape-scene - that seems like too much to me. I haven't watched the movie, and perhaps it was 10 minutes because it was shot in one take (wasn't it) - but why did it have to be shot in one take? anyway, thanks for the tipsey, tolstoyed. |
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anyway, thanks for the tipsey, tolstoyed. (= I read the old topic you originally posted) |
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yeah, the whole film is made up of scenes that were all filmed in one take which is ok i guess, it looks more realistic this way. i think that 10 minute rape scene was as long mostly to make people talk about the film, and to make it controversial...and it looks like they suceeded, cos indeed everyone is talking about that scene :) and if you like unconventional films you must definitely see it, it's filmed really good. |
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*SPOILERS* Now I have watched the movie and of course the rape-scene had to be shot in one take (and be 10 minutes long) if all other scenes were shot in one take. This movie was very interesting, and I'm glad I got to see it in a theatre (at school), since watching movies on a big screen really makes movies better. I think the acting, and most of the camerawork was SUPERB. I also found the scene where Pierre crushes the rapists head to be the most disturbing scene. It really left me with a feeling that lasted til the rapescene came. I don't think the rapescene was too long; the few moments when I was starting to find the scene "repetitive", the rapist (which I forgot the name of) did some new movements or spoke to the victim - so I don't understand why people would want to fastforward it. I didn't find the rapescene scary nor did it make me feel as ill as the headcrushing scene. They did of course add audio/video effects to it, but although the scene seemed very "real" - to me it didn't feel very real. The acting wasn't bad, in fact it was very good - it was just that it was the first scene in which the camera was completely still - and it remained so during the whole rapesequence. To me, it felt like the movie slowed down and instead of feeling horrified about what this guy is doing, I felt (a bit ill of course, and) sad for the girl and what she was forced to go through. The girl and her emotions was kept back by the guy - she was completely still and he held back her screaming - so the scene felt more schocking when the rape was over than during the rape. Also it was a quite scary moment when he was lying beside her feeling very good while she was lying next to him, raped and destroyed. This is (of course) not my review of this movie, I only wrote so much about the rapescene since that is what many of your posts was about... |
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gald you liked it... it's much better to see it in a teathre, because of the sound and camera effects - which were the strongest points of this movie (imo) i remember being very impresed for some days after i watched it, but it kind of didn't stick in my head...im surely going to watch it at least one more time tho :) |
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*SPOILERS* yeah. I don't think the rape-scene should have been done differently. I mean slowing down the movie at that point was good - since what happened afterwards was a whole different thing than what happened earlier. Also why I felt more sad for the girl than feeling "this is horrible" might be because what happends after the rape is the rapist gets slaughtered - he is not just let loose - but the girl is just hurt forever; who knows if her pregnancy, which she was really happy about, is destroyed by this? The part of the movie that will stick with me for a while is not the first part of the movie, but the second part, and the theme of the movie. What are your opinions on the two last scenes of the movie? |
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yes, i agree completely there, the rape was the break point in the movie... it's been over a year since i saw the film so i can't remember properly what the last two scenes were, but i remember we discussed that a lot with other people who have seen it...i think that it had something to do with her pregnancy but im not sure...sorry for that...but if you can tell me what do you think i might remember - i remember it took place in some park and there were kids around - it was probably the most confusing part of the movie since i can't remember at all :) |
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yeah the final scene was the girl in the park probably reading the book she was talking about in the elevator earlier in the film; a philosophical book about that the future is already decided - which was proven by "omens/dreams". Then the camera went towards the sprinkler and started spinning, like it has been doing between the scenes earlier in the movie. Then the movie ended with a strobesequence (there wasn't just black/white there was other movement aswell) and the last seconds of the movie had the text "time destroys everything". What was the meaning of this strobesequence? Was it a reference to the "2001..." movie? The scene before the final scene started with the camera filming the "2001: a Space oddessy"-poster over her bed (with the words "the ultimate journey", I believe on it, and there was a fetus [I think it was an unborn baby] on the poster). Then it went down to her lying/sitting in bed with the same dress she will be seen wearing in the park. She has her hands on her stomach, so perhaps this is the moment in which she knows her period has been delayed (as she isn't sure of her pregnancy yet) and/or maybe she is just dreaming of being pregnant (as she will be very happy about it later)... |
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yes, most definitely a kubrick resemblance there... did you check review at imdb. this guy even compares it to alice in wonderland... im gonna search and see if i can find director's view on this, i already searched for it after the film got out, but i guess it was too early and he probably didn't want to spoil the film...anyway im going to try and find something tomorrow. |
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the first rape/husband comment made me laugh hoho |
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There was a lot of things in this movie pointing towards that the reality of this movie already have been "written" before it happens, like the girl said the book suggested. Many scenes are connected, in the way that there are things in scenes that refers to things that have already happened in the movie - but will happen in the reality of the movie (= the diegesis). E.g. in the scene before the 2001-poster scene (read my previous post) there was a lot of references to the e.g. the rapescene, e.g. the girl's dream about the tunnel, and her boyfriend wanting to have analsex, spitting on her, holding back her arms and things like that... |
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this all together sounds quite confusing, especially after i read an interview with the director and both lead actors...they said they wrote like 10 pages of script and were totally improvising the whole time, looks like it was much more to this film when you start thinking about it, and it makes a lot of sense. |
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I hadn't read that review earlier but it defineatly had some interesting points and the reviewer was also leaning towards that there are a lot of references to scenes that are yet to occur (in the diegesis). The whole idea of that she woud be fantasising the movie was an interesting view - and there are a lot of things to support it... |
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either fantasising or dreaming...and it would make perfect sense. |
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I don't get it... did you agree or disagree with what I wrote? It was interesting that you brought up the fact that the scenes were improvised, but I think there were perhaps too much references to future occurences... so eventhough the scenes were improvised, perhaps the director/writer were improvising the scenes together with the actors? |
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i agree with your views completely...it just strikes me that there was appearantly so little preparation before they started filming this film...i got an impression like the did the film by the way, not really expecting something big to turn out...but in the end it turns out there's much more to it than what they were saying in that interview. |
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ok, you agree :) yeah that view really makes a lot of sense, I mean the way the camera flies, it really resembles how one would fly between thoughts. Or perhaps the movie suggests in this way that she is dreaming/fantasising the everything - before it takes place? that would also fit the philosophical theme into it. Even on the back of the DVD-case one of the reasons suggested why "time destroys everything" is because "premonitions cannot change the way things are going to happen". |
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the way the camera flies the way it flies between the shots... |
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perhaps camera was spinning because of that sprinkler in that park... |
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yeah that is what I was thinking too. When I had watched the movie I was thinking there was perhaps more things in that scene that had been established earlier in the movie, but I couldn't think of any. But now that I think of it, that scene is connected to the previous scene through the kids that run around in that scene (the previous scene is the scene where she's sitting in bed wishing to be pregnant [that's how I interpreted it]). And the previous scene is of course connected to the scene before, where she finds out she is pregnant (even if she would only find out "in her mind/fantasy/dream"). |
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that last two scenes are definitely key to the whole thing appearantly...i'll look up for director's explanation tomorrow (it's getting kind of late)...i hope i can find some. i'll post it here if i find it. |
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great! you're so kind. What are your thoughts on the whole "time destroys everything"-theme of the movie? In a way I got the feeling the theme was talked about in the first scene of the movie (or does that scene serve any other purpose?). Atleast I think it explained the title (Irreversible) pretty well there, well atleast one way of interpreting it. When the old man is talking about (his) life and saids that you can only "start over". There is noe way to redo/undo anything in life - all you can do is to start over. |
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