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What's a helocopter? A copter with a helo on? What's a helo? Too many questions!!! |
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AH-64 copter |
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Pretty amazing footage. |
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indeed :) |
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can i get access to your server? |
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Holy shit. I have a tough time watching stuff like this, even though it's not overly graphic. Those pilots are so non-chalant as they end lives. |
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you cant assume that they are being non chalant. |
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they are just being professional about their jobs. and don't think for a SECOND that those guys would have taken out that apache.... it was from dec 1 2003 iraq, weapons were being moved from the large truck to the pickup and trackt0r |
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Well they SOUND non chalant, and I could have sworn I heard them high five each other. |
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i would be saying high five if i killed someone who was possibly about to kill me. they do this job everyday and alls it takes is 1 stinger missle and they are toast. so everytime they kill an "enemy" that is trying to kill them, i would be happy to. don't take this out of context, you know what I mean, and i don't want this to turn into a huge debate even though it prob. will. |
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I'm not saying they're bad guys, or doing wrong or anything, don't get me wrong. I'm not looking for a debate or ethical battle. This shit has to happen, somebody's gotta do the dirty work to protect... erm, freedom, I guess. It's their job. It's just that I can't imagine killing someone like that, justified or not. And I rarely watch clips like these, I always consciously avoid them but I clicked on this one not knowing what to expect, and saw what I saw, a harsh dose of reality. I wonder what goes through someone's head as they do something like that. Like you said, there has to be a measure of relief, and rightfully so. But what a job. And here I am, about to buy Manhunt in a few hours. |
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How come you like war so much? Explain your racism. |
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me? |
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Fucking hell, they treat that shit like a computer game. I wonder if they ever question why they were sent to murder people? |
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i think you don't want to question yourself too much when you're in a situation like that...what is more surprising is that they are not on drugs |
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deepspace9mm, what about WW1 and WW2? I'm playing WW2 as a computer game right now (BF1942, CoD, etc). So what? You only see them treating it as a video game because of the technology they are using, you can relate from the games you have played. Sigh, this feeling of emotion of death cannot be summed up in words on a message board. and keep in mind we have like 20second clip of it, who knows what they said before or afterwards,or most importantly what they thought when they got back to base and were getting reayd for bed. |
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''Sigh, this feeling of emotion of death cannot be summed up in words on a message board. '' ''and keep in mind we have like 20second clip of it, who knows what they said before or afterwards,or most importantly what they thought when they got back to base and were getting reayd for bed.'' Exactly. I know they weren't ''enjoying'' themselves, per se. There must be some emotional torture for guys like this. Unless they have some top secret military desensitizing technique I don't know about. And I doubt it. |
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why are you being such a racist? |
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pomme needs to direct his questions to an individual. |
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can i get access to your ftp site? |
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i dont have an ftp "site" |
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damn, its strange to think that they are killing real people on that video. real human lifes. the people they kill on that video had a history behind them and they just push a button and they die, and theres nothing they can do. Its a strange world |
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the killing in that video is hella messy. the military works very hard at desensitizing their troops. and the japanese had a method of lining up chinese prisoners in trenches and japanese soldiers had to bayonet these prisoners to death as their fellow troops cheered them on. |
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pf - i too think about this all the time. i think about everything that's happened in my life and that I'm only 20. Then I think about how many people die every day and in wars and what kind of information they die with. It's a mindboggling topic. |
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all of this will have to stop someday..... before theres nobody left if possible :) |
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i want it to be just me thats left so i get the satisfaction of destroying the human race by committing suicide. |
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deep |
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its crazy how all the blood is even visible, since it's still warm and they are using IR displays. It's scary how much real life can look like video games, and vice versa. |
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The son of someone I work with is a fighter pilot, and they are trained to not get emotionally involved in such things. He says, "If I'm ordered to shoot something down, I'll do it..." |
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Well of course, Jedi Chris. How else would anything get done? Also, I doubt most of these "enemies" have this emotional problem (again, I realize i'm assuming) - since they're religion (which is SO important to them) is to destroy us. The tables turn, and it's not quite the same story, huh? |
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the us like to show these images as opposed to dead mutilated corpse more and more.... the video game footage syndrome formating procedures |
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well, mthey showed the mutilated brothers and every one criede fowl. Oh, the horror. Such Barbarians. etc...So, shut up! |
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well, they showed the mutilated brothers and every one cried fowl. Oh, the horror. Such Barbarians. etc...So, shut up! |
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what do you mean? i should? *heart sinks* |
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coz bogala thats what im on about.....people should see the truth... its like people who cry when they see footage of an abbatoir and then go and have steak or something. trying to present things to us all wrapped up and nicely cut. me kill an animal?..nooo.... oh god what am i on about? |
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Yeah, But, the actual action of releasing the photos has been derided. The decision to show them to the public was made out to be barbaric. Not the bodies. Death is never pretty. War is here. Always has been. You are probably benefiting from the death of others in the past. No ones hands are clean. Ever. |
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crazy ass video |
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hobbes,m this vidoe wasn't 'televized' so your theory of hte us "showing us" this is invalid, rather it was 'leaked' plez stop assuming, again. |
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C'mon man, you know their religion (i'm assuming you mean islam) isn't to destroy us. That's bordering on an ethnic slur right there. Many arab states DO hate the west, but mainstream islam is a long way from hatred. Only the Wahabi interpretation of islamic law encourages stonings, martyrdom etc, and it's not as if the US have been unhappy to deal with those kind of states before (pre-9/11 Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria...) America's attitude to islam is dictated by it's foreign policy. When the USSR collapsed, it was seen as the "end of socialism." This bolstered the appeal of Islamist parties (often bankrolled by Saudi Arabia) in the newly independent states of Central Asia. The U.S. supported these efforts as a means to pull the region out of Russia's orbit. Washington even quietly backed the Taliban in the hope that it would create a government stable enough for an oil pipeline to be built linking the Caspian Sea to Pakistan's ports. But when the US found the Taliban in its way, it created hysteria about "Islamic fundamentalism," with the implications that muslims hate YOU AND YOUR FREEDOM. The aim is to justify America's self-declared right to intervene militarily in any country that it deems to be harboring "Islamic terrorists." |
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mainstream islam? Then let's see them denounce their over zealous brothers. Hasn't happened as I can see. If it's so mainstream it should have been everywhere.. "end of socialism." Communism, actually....Which is still a good thing. "appeal of Islamist parties " So, the US is responsible for Islam gone bad? Also extreme Chauvinism..I really wish the US would mind it's own business. yes...but I bet shitloads of other countries don't either. The Taliban was the only government there. Who else was there to deal with? They just wanted some fucking oil. There are shitloads of assholes that rule countries. We put an embargo up and everyone hates you for that. What do you want? Electric cars. Me, too.. I disagree, You have really stretched your argument to fit your needs. This aim to justify intervention could of course be stretched for self gain, but you're actually saying that the US intentionally trained the Alqueda in hopes for a 9/11, WHICH IS RETARDED>..They are HUMANS NOT GODS!! What about CLINTON. He had a DECADE to get rid of Alqueda. AFTER # major attacks!!! No one gave a shit till the water was boiling. Amerians are guilty of complacency! |
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Taliban are widely alleged to be the creation of Pakistan's military intelligence. Experts say that explains the Taliban's swift military successes in 1996, during the Clinton years...No one was there. http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9610/05/taleban/ Maybe if the US trained the Mujahedeen better nothing would have happened. |
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thats horrible :( I've actually seen a tank gun down a car in Bagdad on the News here, probably the most horrifying thing i've seen on the TV. The worst part is, they were defending their country from aggressors. They were no threat to countries around them, let alone the US. |
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No, the USSR's collapse let muslims in central asia establish their "own" (often puppet) governments. The US didn't complain, as it saw islam as a more easily manipulated system. The teachings of Mohammed Ibn Abdul Wahhab Najdi have been used to justify attacks on the west... "islam gone bad" as you so subtly put it. The wahabi sect took over saudi arabia in the 1920s to 30s, storming mecca and medina. Hence why many of the 9/11 hijackers were of saudi origin. And yet saudi arabia is still a US ally in the "war on terror." They are the world's number 1 oil producing region. Correlation? Mainstream islam FREQUENTLY denounces these kind of attacks. It is the attitude of people like yourself that leads to wahabi islam and the moderate varieties being tarred with the same brush. The CIA DID train al-qaeda to fight against the soviets in afghanistan. This lead to the US-supported taliban, which in turn lead to 9/11. Even after the al-qaeda attacks on embassies and warships, the US was diverting funds to afghanistan as a reward for cracking down on opium production. I think the major problem here is that the US keeps funding dictatorships (like iraq when they were at war with iran back in the 1980s) then complaining when it explodes in their face. The people in the world trade centre didn't deserve to die, but i think it was inevitable that something like that would happen one day, considering American foreign policy. |
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Don't forget deepspace, "fundementalist Islam" has been in the middle east for thousands of years. They might blow you up if you go around saying the majority of Islamists are luke warm on their relgion and extreme faith is an invention of US foriegn policy. |
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Ho do you know what the US saw? The US trained the Mujahedeen. Pakistan train the Taliban. Remember the cold war? Yes, the opium. The drug war. Of course. I am for legalization. Yes, I agree our policy is "optimistic". Vietnam is a perfect example of our bad foriegn policy..but there's an awful lot of dictatorships in the world. It'd be hard not to rub shoulders with some of them now and again...What is britains foriegn policy like? Are they only concerned with matters within their borders? |
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I never said extreme faith was an invention of US foreign policy. I never even suggested that most muslims are "lukewarm" in their beliefs. Moderate and half-assed are not the same thing. Mohammed Ibn Abdul Wahhab Najdi was born in 1699 and died in 1792. His teachings were at the heart of "fundamentalist" islam's teachings. They gained popularity in the 1900s, leading to the creation of the saudi arabia we now know. US foreign policy had nothing to do with this. However, when America funds extreme islamic governments at the same time as israel, a 9/11 event will always be around the corner. |
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I wish the UK followed a more ethical foreign policy. They seem more like one of the puppet governments the US is so fond of. If we're talking about strict neo-liberal capitalism here, then it would be hard to conduct business without "rubbing shoulders" with dictators. And taking it to its logical conclusion, the US is perfectly capable of "encouraging" revolutions and coups *cough*kissinger*cough* to promote their interests. But wouldn't you concede that as well as often resulting in murder and emergent dictatorships, it will also be bad for the US in the long run? Just because the former oil barons now in power can feather their nest with haliburton contracts and the like doesn't mean that invading nations and training extremists left right and centre is a good idea, especially for the american people. Hence, 9/11. |
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"hobbes,m this vidoe wasn't 'televized' so your theory of hte us "showing us" this is invalid, please stop assuming again...etc" elusive they showed lots of footage like that on tv!!! im not assuming anything either matey!! and obviously what i was talking about i read ....doesnt mean its true, but i did "think " about it before posting...i dont just assume.....dont be uptight and think your so clever elusive....you never assume things? |
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