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business-man or artist?...as bill hicks said 'you do a commercial your off the artisitc list FOREVER'...i honestly don't care if i hate that artist 's music but when i hear music that means something to me it cheapens everything and i cry a little in a corner.. what do you people think? |
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It seems pretty hard to keep your artistic virginity forever. If someone said "I'll give you 10k if we can use 30 seconds of a song you already wrote" I'm sure you would hike up your IDM skirt. I remember when the butthole surfers did a bunch of Super Nintendo Commercials. I thought that was way cool. And that new swiffer commercial with DEVO is cool in my books too. I think "selling out" but too something fans will enjoy is alright. If they started to give away Atari Teenage Riot toys in happy meals I wouldn't hold it against Alec Empire : ) |
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I might be wrong, but doesn't a label sometimes license a track for a commercial and the artist has no control over it? A couple of tracks off drukqs have been ruined for me by being in adverts. People often say that you don't like it because it means it's no longer "underground" but that's not it at all... it's just that sometimes you have images associated with the music and the adverts wipes them out. |
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Yes, there are some good examples- adozenaday by brothomstates featuring on the sprite commercial was great. |
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Yeah meng, if it's in the interest of fans I don't consider it selling out. |
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i see selling out allot these days, justin timberlake singing one line in a mcdonalds commercial, britney spears becoming the head of pepsi, and random sports stars promoting thirst quenching sports drinks which arent healthy in the least. so when i see some IDM artsits music in some commercial or advert, its really just a leave in the wind compared to what i think "selling out" really is. |
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With the major labels it's pretty much par for the course that once you sign a deal you're signing away all your rights to how your music is used. The smaller the label, the more likely you are to have a more flexible deal, or if you;re a big act like Radiohead you can retain a measure of control simply because you're big enough to. |
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i want an ATR toy in my happy meals :( grrr now i cant be happy till i get one... |
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As Bill Hicks also said, in comment about "rock stars" doing commercials, 'if you're a struggling artist, I'll look the other way'. That's about wright, I reckon. Give them the benefit of the doubt. They're probably not in the position where they can negotiate how their music is exploited by record companies. And they're probably skint too, so a few quid and a bit of recogntion wouldn't go a miss. It's the likes of the Madonnas, Jackos and Britney Spears of the world who are already fabulously wealthy and famous and powerful enough to shape their careers who are the cunts. Do they really need that extra few million that comes by hawking fucking Coke? S'pose when you are as successful as these people, you become a brand in itself and music is just part of the company portfolio? Dunno, really. Similar note: It was nice to see England rugby "hero", Jonny Wilkinson turn down £1million to feature in Hello magazine. Still some people around not willing to merchandise their asses to the hilt. |
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I DONT CARE AND NOONE ELSE DOES WE ALL JUST WANT ATR TOYS TO PLAY WITH IN OUR HAPPYMEALS GODDAMMIT !!! hmm i wonder if theyd have riot officer figurines from the berlin riots... hahah thatd be great |
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That was my thought exactly- wind up Alec action figure screams anti establishment slogans whilst emitting bleeps and whirs :D What do you folks thing of music in games- I just mentioned it in Titsworth's show thread, but it warrants a post here to? For some reason I actually like it a lot more than in adverts. I actually bought the new adam freeland album because I liked one track off it that in Rez. On the one hand the introduction of cds in consoles meant some really cheap, poor music in games, but when it's used for licensed stuff and it's actually good stuff (not the dad rock of GT games for example!) it's fantastic. |
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That'd be the toy the next week... wind it up and watch it trundle slowly forward banging its baton on its riot sheild... collect 4 and make a wall :) |
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haahhaha Carl Crack comes with a megaphone and nic endo lifts her table up and throws it. Hanin screams and sorta crumbles into a kinky position Alec winds up and HAHAHAHAhahaha this is too fun.... |
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except that Carl died. |
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death ain't the hurdle it used to be |
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Bill Hicks obviously didn't understand the following principle: that if you're skint and trying to become an artist and you would like to buy more gear to achieve your artistic dreams, and you'd like to give up your day-job at WAL-MART so that you can spend more time crafting your ideas and doing what God put you on this planet to do, rather than stacking shelves, then of course you're going to accept an offer of money for your music. I appreciate that music can lose its magic when associated with Pirelli Tyres or whatever, but the simple point remains: with money comes empowerment, and with empowerment comes the freedom to do whatever the fuck you want. |
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woops i posted that before i read that Mr Hicks acknowledged struggling artists... All is forgiven, Bill. |
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there are no excuses. once you allow some soulless shit in a suit to use your music in their quest to sell their shitty product (or their paymaster's shitty product) and therefore help perpetuate this shallow plastic piece of shit society, you are a nothing. |
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" there are no excuses. once you allow some soulless shit in a suit to use your music in their quest to sell their shitty product (or their paymaster's shitty product) and therefore help perpetuate this shallow plastic piece of shit society, you are a nothing." no, no, no, that's exactly the kind of reactionary comment that is made by someone who has never found themselves faced with that choice. if you say you would turn down $30,000 if it was offered to you, you are a liar. |
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fuck you |
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you know, there are people to whom everything is NOT a commodity, and for whom principles are rated above money and material want. You seem to have become so brainwashed that you cannot even acknowledge this fact. So, once again: fuck you. |
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a sound argument if i ever heard one. |
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I rest safe in the knowledge that my principles cannot be corrupted by some fuck waving a dollar bill in front of my nose. |
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right on comrade |
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how much did you get for that merc ad? |
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Have you read "The Life and Death of Peter Sellars" by Roger Lewis? |
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lies, damned lies. |
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Anyway, it's "The Life and Death of Peter Sellers". Some other guy. |
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There are three kinds of lies - lie, damned lies, and advertisements. |
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"There are three kinds of lies - lie, damned lies, and advertisements. " Not true, I bought one of those 'Mars' Bars, and it certainly did help me work, rest and play. |
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Do you own a German army jacket? |
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No, I don't. Do you shop at Gap? |
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why yes, i got my hat and moustache there. |
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pfffffffft, if someone felt like giving me money i'd take it; no moral hesitation, no after thoughts. What's to think about?If seeing a commersial cheapens the music for you, you are too concerned with that musics image (and you might be suffering from "elitism"). ceri JC- What drukqs songs were in what commersials...? i wish aphex twin was a bit more popular here. |
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well said mr bucket |
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wow... what a touchy thread to post on before i pass out... well i suppose i have the following to contribute- i'm firmly against artists whoring out their music, but it has to be understood that a lot of times they really don't have control over it, sometimes it's their fault because they didn't read the contracts all the way through, other times, labels higher slick lawyers who will make it seem like they signed something they didn't but all this doesn't matter if you remember that most people who make music, want to make money off it, and though you usually won't keep making money off the same album for 40 years, wether or not it's nostalgic to someone, mcdonalds can. and if you're used to limosines and free pussy, all of a sudden that moral fiber starts going where all fiber goes to in the end and yeah, i'm definately pasionately against listening to certain songs because i've seen them in adds for cat food, dog food, and even worse, fast food but the answer to my personal dillemma turned out to be easier than anything i could possibly do to force these companies to stop abusing music that i love i stopped watching television, and listening to the radio. fuckin' simple- now i don't get the association good night! |
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Zeus i know this., but its not ATR without that crazy man |
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i know :'( |
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imean i'd love more ATR , and im sure they could cook up somethin good for us all, but he was a major loss and we all miss him ... But i'd LIKE A FRIGGIN ATR HAPPYMEAL TOY |
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I don't think it's a case of elitism it is more a case of if you are willing to let your morals be bought,i personally would never let my music be heard on any advertising. If you want to hear loving crafted music on a shampoo advert then fine but i won't be able to think of it the music same way, i lost alot of my respect for aphex since he used one of his best ever tunes on a fucking merc advert. Personally i'm not willing to let my morals be bought, everybody seems to be and that's what i hate about money, for the right price you can buy anyone's morals. |
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perhaps if anyone makes money from their music they should all give it away to charity |
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C'mon marlowe. If some company I hated offered me a gratuitous sum of money for a song (mind you: a song that I have allready written a while ago) I would take it in a heart beat. I hate working a 40 hour a week job selling my soul in exchange for doing a task a monkey could do. I'd rather get paid for doing what I love, than doing something that does not fufill me whatsoever. |
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Also I could turn against the company by giving titles to songs like "fuck you McDonalds" or "Old Navy sucks Satans cock". |
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that's why i pirate all my music, so they don't MAKE any money and keep them underground. |
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gosh, you're so thoughtful! :) |
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there's not a music maker on this board who would turn down a large sum of money if he/she got an email from X company saying they wanted to use a track of yours. It's like free cash. You've made the track anyway, and now someone wants to give you money for it. It's a simple thing and it happens all the time. It's not selling out. It's making a living. Fuck working for the man. Make them work for you. |
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Fuck You. "There's not a music maker on this board who would turn down...." that statement is full of shit. There ARE still principled people on this board, even though you seem to think we'd all go weak at the knees if we sniffed the greens. |
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These days I want it all...the money, the cars, the women, the power, the sugar...where will it end? I would take the money, because if I didn't someone else would. |
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whatever man. you're living in a fantasy world. what does it really matter if some dumb trendy company wants to give you money for a track you wrote. I'm not saying to write music, purely thinking of money... Not at all. I'm saying, do the art that you makes you feel whole and alive, and if someone wants to give you money in return at some point - take that shit, and move on to write more music with the time they just bought you. sure - maybe not "every" music maker. Don't give me that principle artsy bullshit. Save that for class. This is the real world playa. |
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Actually I think Mr Marlowe would, in all seriousness, turn down corporate money...he is a little mental like that. :D (By "a little mental" I mean "very principled" :P) |
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