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Have you ever sat down with a keyboard and tried to follow the melodies in Itsu or Zeal? Damn that's some clever tricky shit they got goin on. Zeal especially - I find it hard to tell how they composed such a thing - did they work some ideas out on a keyboard using music theory, or - more likely given how it drifts from tension to release to tension following its own strange internal logic - did they build it up note by note in a sequencer by sheer instinct? Someone say something reassuring because I am IMPRESSED and INTIMIDATED! |
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it's all done by computers. |
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obviously! |
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electronic musicians are too lazy to do anything on hardware. |
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Qrter, you are always very stealthy at avoiding my bullshit detectors, but it could also be that I'm not that experienced making electronic music. What exactly do you mean, are you just being sarcastic or are there actually programs that can pick out musical notes that will sound good in progression? (I ask because they now have synthesizers that can do that sort of thing, though how well is arguable. see: korg karma). |
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i dunno, wld be formidable indeed if they did it purely on instinct. |
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Noooo, much scarier if they had it planned in their heads before they did it - the main bass figure goes Ab, Bb, C, E, F#, G, D, C# - have no idea if those are supposed to be sharps or flats cause it's more of a tonal center thing than an actual key they're in... |
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qrter purrs if you scratch behind his ears WAIT THOSE AREN'T EARS |
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i've been pondering about the melodies on spokes. not exactly straight up music theory or pop-esque music theory use but they all come off so well, imo. maybe it's the rhythm of the melodies that seems to make the overall melody so well. |
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I'm gonna bump this thread next time Zeus is on - he'll probably say oh that's an altered diminished whole tone scale with kidney beans instead of fifths. |
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haha |
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just downloaded zeal.. its twisty alright, and fucking badass. |
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yeah, Spokes is real nice... I am so impressed with these guys melodic sense... also Aphex Twin, Autechre, Boc, etc... they're all so good... I never could sit down and program a little melody into a computer program... I'd be better with a real keyboard that I could fiddle with I think... and to nacmat, I think RDJ is a great music maker... he has an amazing sense of melody, I just find some of the percussion sounds a bit dated is all... I was late getting into RDJ, so it doesn't have the same nostalgia value for me as someone here suggested, I think it was ecnadniarb... |
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"more of a tonal center thing than an actual key they're in." haha, what the hell are you talking about monkeybrains? Of course it has a key |
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I think he meant that the notes as he listed them there might not be what they actually are in the key of the song... you know, cause the note C# is the exact same note as D flat, but what you call it depends on the key of the song... |
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An easy fun way of doing that is with one of these... By holding down a special key, It plays a complicated muso melody, I've got a midi version that's really fun! |
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Because I am sweet, innocent, naive and trusting, I donno if you're fucking with me. That looks like an electronic autoharp. I mean, how is that different from holding down a random chord with an arpeggiator? Couple of programs I've been checking out that generate "random" note sequences you could conceivably use to seed the musical clouds: |
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Whaaaat key is it in? It sounds awfully chromatic to me... |
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I wouldn't be surprised if they wrote it first, then played it out, then after they decided it sounded great, they set it up to be perfectly sequenced with the rest of the song. |
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Seriously it works! I'll find a link that explains it.. |
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Hm, what model do you have? I can prolly google up some info if you give me a model number. |
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In this review it talks about it's charm and Eno not going on a plane without it... |
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Ah, I get it now - you can play a sequence of chords, pick out certain notes from the chords on the strumplate, record the notes to midi... that definitely has potential. |
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You still need to mess around in your sequencer to get it how you want it but it's a brilliant start point for trying different changes you wouldn't normally do sat in front of a keyboard. |
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lol... why me? |
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Okay I think I have the main melody phrase figured out - the first half is in a kind of synthetic harmonic minor mode key that goes B, C, D#, E, F#, G, A and then it modulates into D major. Once you get the feel of it under your fingers you can rip blistering solos over it!!!111 HALLO PLAID I AM YNGWIE MALM-A-STEEN |
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hehe, cause you always seem distraught, thinking I hate the guy... :) |
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zeal! ZEAL~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Z!E!A!L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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