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offline ecnadniarb on 2003-11-20 08:07 [#00958306]
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You better beleive it...wait for the "War on Gays" the
thrilling sequel to the "War of Terror" featuring a whole
new threat "Weapons" of Mass Destruction, sreading AIDS, and
the as yet not yet released footage of new "suicide bummers"
which threaten the straight population by turning people gay
and then exploding.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2003-11-20 08:10 [#00958308]
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i saw a protest on tv the other day and this guy had a
banner saying : "thank god for aids"

that totaly freaked me out, i mean really.


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-11-20 08:14 [#00958309]
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Gays are funny!


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-11-20 08:14 [#00958310]
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Most politicians see AIDS as effective population control
for the third world, the working class, gays, and the scum
of society.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2003-11-20 08:15 [#00958311]
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is bush anti gay?

surely he is. i hate him so much he has to be.


 

offline ChildrenTalking from United States on 2003-11-20 08:15 [#00958312]
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given how 15% of the US population is gay its somewhat
ridiculous. people should just dont let those individuals
live their lives like everyone else. and even though gays
are the leading cause of AIDs in the US they're not in the
entire world heterosexuals are, so whoever said thank god
for aids is an ignorant bastardo


 

offline ChildrenTalking from United States on 2003-11-20 08:16 [#00958314]
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slash the dont* the only thing i find problematic about this
forum is the inability to edit


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-11-20 08:20 [#00958316]
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I've watched the Salon. Gays are hilarious. They're here,
there, out, loud and proud. Gays don't like "Bush".


 

offline nlogax from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-11-20 08:31 [#00958321]
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he's anti gay, among other things, and last but not least,
he's anti human.

God bless Emerica


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2003-11-20 08:40 [#00958326]
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offline Bob Mcbob on 2003-11-20 08:41 [#00958327]
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i would have thought you would be the last guy in the world
to watch 'the salon'. i mean your the most intollerant guy
there is, how can u watch that crap? or was it just part of
your 'gays dont like bush' joke.


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-11-20 09:57 [#00958367]
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bill hicks.. your one-step aside comments are endlessly
biting and humorous . I want more! I love the whole
character!


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:05 [#00958373]
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Mass. just passed a ruling, allowing gays to get married.

bushes comment:

"Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a
woman," he said. "Today's decision ... violates this
important principle. I will work with congressional leaders
and others to do what is legally necessary to defend the
sanctity of marriage."


 

offline nacmat on 2003-11-20 10:06 [#00958377]
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bush is a murderer... so he cannot be very tolerant


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-11-20 10:07 [#00958378]
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But as I said in your thread - about this I agree with him,
gays shouldn't be allowed to marry.


 

offline nacmat on 2003-11-20 10:08 [#00958380]
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why not?


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:10 [#00958382]
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would would his position on prince Charles be then I wonder


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-11-20 10:10 [#00958383]
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Probably behind him with his pants down.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:18 [#00958389]
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i dont see any good reason to not allow gay marriages


 

offline glasse from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:23 [#00958394]
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I think there is a big difference between being a bigot who
hates homosexuals on every level and being someone who views
homosexuality as a medical disorder but still has compassion
for those people involved. I think we have done a bad thing
as a society to view homosexuality as a healthy alternative
orientation to heterosexuality. Homosexual groups have
aligned themselves with the civil rights movement, which to
me is like schizophrenics aligning themselves with the civil
rights movement. Schizophrenics are restricted by society
from being involved in certain activities and for good
reason. It doesn't mean we hate them it is just in
everybody's best interest.


 

offline nlogax from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-11-20 10:23 [#00958395]
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that's because there are no good reasons, unless of course
you're a christian or whatever. But they don't have any good
reasons either, because they keep hiding behind the "holy"
book, which in fact is a fucking fairy tale.


 

offline glasse from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:27 [#00958399]
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I think that looking around at the obvious design there is
in nature and then reasoning there is no God is the largest
mass state of denial ever experienced.


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:27 [#00958400]
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I don't see anything wrong with gay marriage. The tricky bit
is adoption. In theory it should be fine. Certainly gay
couples are no different from hetros. Some would make
wonderful parents and others not. The problem lies with the
issue of motherhood and the attitudes of other children.
Children are very cruel and I feel that kids adopted by
gay-couples would probably suffer from taunting and
bullying, at least until such adoption becomes wide-spread
and generally accepted. But let's be realistic that wouldn't
happen for a good 30 years minimum. And then there's the
question of whether a mother is necessary in the balanced
development of a child. I'd tend to think yes but I have no
idea really.

So I'm opposed to gay-couple adoption only on the grounds of
the effects to the children. I think we need to evolve a bit
first. And as for the mother issue I'm no child psychologist
so I have no real views on the mater.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:28 [#00958403]
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"medical disorder"

O_o

"Schizophrenics are restricted by society
from being involved in certain activities and for good
reason. It doesn't mean we hate them it is just in
everybody's best interest."

um.

but schizophrenics have potential to hurt others... being
gay affects no one, except themselves.

Even if being gay was a "mental disorder"... no one is being
hurt. Why is it anyones buisness? Its not. People just fear
what they dont understand.



 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:30 [#00958405]
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medical disorder
:O what the fuck?


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:30 [#00958407]
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just because there is something "more" doesnt mean its a god
nessasarilly.

and just because there is a god, its not nessasarilly the
one described in the bible


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:32 [#00958411]
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lol appropriate avatar given that Sir Ian McEllen who plays
Gandalf is gay (came out in the early days when it wasn't
nearly as accepted as now). Yet despite his medical
disorder
he remains a fine actor.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:33 [#00958412]
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Comparing homosexuality to schizophrenia has got to be the
most uninformed and ignorant arguement i have ever
encountered on the subject of homosexuals and basic civil
rights.



 

offline epohs from )C: on 2003-11-20 10:33 [#00958413]
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i'm for allowing gay marriages. but, HERE's a
pretty level headed point of view (NPR) for why gay marriage
may not be a good idea.



 

offline glasse from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:38 [#00958417]
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Well that's something you have to figure out for yourself,
I'm not into having that discussion again.

As far as homosexuality, it may not physically hurt anyone
else except regarding disease, although that is rooted in
promiscuous sex both hetero and homo, it does create a
certain moral climate that can easily confuse others. If we
say gay is ok then kids might be more likely to experiment
etc. This is what society wants though, this liberal
anything goes free for all. So go ahead and when it all
falls apart don't say nobody warned you.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:40 [#00958421]
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If you prevent people from adopting children on the basis
that they will be bullied, why stop with homosexuals?
Better not let families in predomonantly white populations
adopt black children. or fat children. families who adopt
children should also not be allowed to let their adopted
kids play dungeons and dragons; or wear dorky clothing. all
of these things can lead to bullying and must be prevented
by your arguement.



 

offline glasse from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:40 [#00958422]
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I never said that I hated homosexuals. In fact I have
friends that are gay. Ian McEllen is a great actor, but it
is besides the point. Van Gogh was a great artist but he
was still mentally ill.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:41 [#00958424]
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"it does create a certain moral climate that can easily
confuse others"

what?

...

im kind of at a loss for words here...

you are saying that gays, bring society down?


 

offline nlogax from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-11-20 10:41 [#00958425]
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wake up, there is no God. It never was, and there sure as
hell never will be.


 

offline glasse from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:42 [#00958427]
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For the record I didn't say homosexuality was like for like
with schizophrenia, just pulled a medical disorder out of my
hat for an example. I could have just as easily said
.


 

offline nacmat on 2003-11-20 10:42 [#00958428]
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I totally agree with zeus in this thread


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2003-11-20 10:42 [#00958429]
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you ask like it's the first time you've ever hear someone
insinuate that.


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:43 [#00958430]
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That was very interesting especially the part about
scandinavia


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:45 [#00958434]
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yes this is very true but putting the simple fact of
bullying aside I wonder about the psychological effects and
impact on the children involved.


 

offline nlogax from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-11-20 10:46 [#00958437]
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If we say gay is ok then kids might be more likely to
experiment etc.


well, SO FUCKING WHAT?


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2003-11-20 10:48 [#00958442]
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i don't necessarily agree with his assumption that the
relationship between gay marriages and the disolution of the
family is as strong as he makes it out to be. i think there
are a whole lot of things going on in modern society that is
causing higher numbers single parent families.

that being said, a lot of people seem to take a WAY overly
simplistic view of things around these parts.


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:50 [#00958444]
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yes quite. Obviously there are many other factors but it is
an interesting take on it and, yes, the issue is very
tricky.


 

offline nacmat on 2003-11-20 10:51 [#00958446]
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I think we have a similar feeling on this subject

glad to notice this, as some posts by others on this matter
really worried me


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2003-11-20 10:53 [#00958448]
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even though i can't stand margarette cho, she has a pretty
good take on the pro-gay marriage side also on that page.

she makes a good point about how the whole 'sacred bond'
idea of marriage is just silly. i agree with her totally.


 

offline nlogax from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-11-20 10:55 [#00958450]
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thank you nacmat, and likewise :)


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:59 [#00958456]
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I didn't like the start. All that shit about series and
stuff. I don't like the 'cool' or 'trendy' homosexuality
promotional trends in society. As for the series, let's take
queer as folk as an example. The show seems to depict gays
as morons who only think with their dicks. Were I myself
gay, I would be most offended.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2003-11-20 11:04 [#00958459]
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a rarely watch tv, so i don't know about that.

i just agreed with the part of her thing where she was
talking about how two straight people can be married by an
elvis impersonator in a drivethru window in las vegas... yet
they still call it a 'sacred bond' between a man an a woman.
there ain't shit sacred about that.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2003-11-20 11:05 [#00958460]
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btw: i just want to reiterate that i can't stand margarette
cho.


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 11:07 [#00958462]
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I know and it's a shame. I don't buy the religious aspect of
the "sacred bond" thing but I do strongly believe in the
principles of marriage even if these have pretty much been
thrown out of the window in today's society.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-11-20 11:20 [#00958472]
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the problem with your statement is not that you are
comparing homosexuality with schizophrenia but that you
claim that homosexuality is a "medical disorder" that
somehow warrants the forfeiture of human rights. Even if it
were a medical disorder, it still doesn't follow that they
should be denied basic civil rights. Do you deny a blind
man his civil rights? or a person in a wheel chair? The Flu
is a "medical disorder" of the respiratory system. should
flu sufferers be denied their civil rights untill they
recover? Of course not.

and to justify your opinion by claiming friendship with
homosexuals is total bullshit. Why don't you tell your gay
friends to their faces that you believe they have a "medical
disorder" and that they are tearing the fabric of society?
We'll see how long they remain your friends.

The real problem in society is not homosexuality or gay
marraiges, it is uninformed ignorance and hate. If anything
is destroying the social order, it is ignorant bigotry.


 


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