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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-11-03 21:57 [#00933052]
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i'm seeing this moovie THIS week........i can hardly wait!!!!!!
*puts some shrimp on ze BARBIE*
mmmmmmmmm......FLESH
No other European horror film has received as much condemnation, scrutiny, and praise as Ruggero Deodato’s infamous CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST. The film is a witty and gruesome take on Mondo documentaries, as well as society's fascination with aboriginal violence.
A professor searches for four documentary filmmakers who disappeared into "the green inferno," a.k.a. Amazon River country (the film was shot in Colombia). Eventually, he meets the tribe responsible for the crew's demise and returns to the U.S. with several rolls of movie film. The salvaged footage details various tribal punishments and alarming scenes of the filmmakers raping, burning, and shooting the local Indians. The final reel of film sees the natives striking back at their Yankee tormentors.
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optimus prime
on 2003-11-03 22:01 [#00933054]
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rape is such a harsh word. they should change it to 'forced love', that way everyone would feel better about it.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-11-03 22:03 [#00933055]
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*nods*
but it does create a certain mental image......perhaps thats why they use the word?
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optimus prime
on 2003-11-03 22:17 [#00933062]
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i don't know. i just blanked on commenting on the actual movie, since in all likelihood i'll never watch it.
hope you have a blast.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-11-03 22:37 [#00933070]
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awwww
well i like controversial films and this one has been talked about by some of the movie FIENDS on here who say it's very good. it's not easy to find.....so in a way i feel lucky i'm gonna get a chance to view it!
this was a former BANNED film....
Released in 1979 (supposedly at 95 mins) and considered by many critics to be the most notorious of cannibal films of the late 70’s, CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST was immediately banned and censored in several countries. When it got theatrical play, the film was often shown in an incomplete version. At its Italian premiere on February 8th, 1980, the movie was immediately impounded for three years, during which Deodato faced one obscenity trial after another. In addition, it was exhibited in theaters in the U.S. (1979) and France (1981). Different versions exist on video, all of them transfers from 35mm prints, not from the original negative.
INterestin'
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THAXFA
from Hähnlein (Germany) on 2003-11-04 00:05 [#00933177]
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Real Hardcore Stuff - Gore...Blood and Guts....Women getting raped...meatheating.....etc......
Had a Trailer on DVD, never will see this fucking shit again....
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-11-04 02:35 [#00933289]
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"Cannibal Holocaust" kicks ass! It's the best cannibal-movie ever. There is a very special feeling to this movie, and part of it is created by the amazing music by Riz Ortolani.
It's not bad at all. Half of the movie is people watching the reels from the crew that disappeared. So eventhough there is gore (and other stuff that makes you feel sick), it's not very graphic.
Instead what is scary is that scenes are drawn out (and accompanied by the music).
For example, in one of the most disturbing scenes in the movie (also one of the first), the crew (searching for the documentarycrew) has to stand aside and watch how some guy rapes a woman with a rock or if it's a large piece of wood.
This is not a movie for everyone, obviously, but I defineatly think it's worth watching. There is not just gore in this movie, there is a lot more to it.
It's not just a story about people from the modern society who meet people from a less modern society, it's also a story about what people are willing to do for money and to become famous...
If you don't plan to see the movie, atleast go get the soundtrack! It's amazing.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-11-04 02:37 [#00933293]
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the crew (searching for the documentarycrew) has to stand aside and watch how some guy rapes a woman with a rock or if it's a large piece of wood.
The guy doesn't really rape her... He is punishing her, but the way he is doing it...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-11-04 02:45 [#00933307]
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Hmmm. Not sure I wanna see women getting raped for the sake of it. Only if its tastefully done.
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THAXFA
from Hähnlein (Germany) on 2003-11-04 02:49 [#00933311]
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Look @the Pics....
http://de.altavista.com/image/results?stype=simage&q=cannib al+holocaust&avkw=aapt&pg=q&imgset=2&stq=20
What about Romeros "Dawn of The dead" like this fil much more than this crappy shit.....
Braindead is also a must see film...
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-11-04 04:51 [#00933438]
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Yeah "Dawn of the dead" is great! I hope the remake is good aswell, since it's got some nice photo (it seems like, from watching the trailer).
I don't like "braindead", I guess I should see it again (only seen it once), but I didn't find it that good at all (it was funny at certain times though).
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-11-04 04:53 [#00933440]
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Also, if you haven't seen CH you shouldn't call it "shit".
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-11-04 05:11 [#00933451]
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cannibal holocaust is a great movie -- it is better than the usual italian 70s/80s horror; I think it is a great film in its own right, whereas most of these kind of horror films are just excuses for a gory effects and bad acting. The story is very interesting, and it is actually pretty well made. hope you like it.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-11-04 05:12 [#00933454]
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...I can't remember if this is Italian or Spanish, actually, having written that. It might well be spanish, I can't recall. I should check IMDB, but i can't be bothered right now.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-11-04 05:14 [#00933455]
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...OK I checked, it IS italian :D
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-11-04 05:16 [#00933456]
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"The second word in the title is important. Ruggero Deodato's 1979 meta-snuff movie, far more than a chichi trinket like THE NIGHT PORTER, is the real Holocaust porn. Here the trigger is not frights, or even shocks, or even splatter. Atrocity is the name of Deodato's game--and the genius of this monsterpiece is that Deodato horrifyingly delivers the goods at the same time he coruscates his audience and himself.
This is a hard movie to recommend to any but those who would find it anyway; but it must be said that Deodato here created the most rigorous, critical, almost philosophical movie in the Italian horror canon. The audience's lust for Third World exoticism and envelope-pushing violence are gratified and held up to the painful light of day--and not necessarily in that order. The overwhelming feeling of this picture is of a pornographer pleading, "Stop me before I shoot again."
The conceit of the movie--an academic's journey into the Amazon to find the remains of a Western film crew devoured by cannibals--permits Deodato more Pirandellian boxes within boxes than a double bill of BLOWUP and THE PLAYER. But the atmosphere of the movie, despite scenes of cruelty so extreme you sometimes want to put out your eyeballs, is relentlessly elegiac--capped by Riz Ortolani's theme music. (It can be said with certainty that no romantic ballad was ever used underneath what Deodato stages here.)
CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST is the farthest edge of Extreme Cinema--as in Extreme Sports. It feels stuntlike, yet the combination of amplified bloodlust and world-weary regret is unique. Like Lucio Fulci's even more personal CAT IN THE BRAIN, it's an affecting enactment of an exploitation artist's conscience tearing apart.
It might make good viewing for Y2K Eve: it puts together the century's two salient words--holocaust and entertainment--as no other film did before or since."
Good review on IMDB
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2003-11-04 05:28 [#00933461]
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The movie is NOT as violent as some of the reviews make it out to be. Infact I expected more GORE.
What I really dislike about it, is that they killed a REAL turtle somewhere in middle of the movie. Those Actors must have been real cold blooded Asshole's.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-11-04 05:31 [#00933467]
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hippie!
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2003-11-04 05:36 [#00933468]
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And I did not find this movie very entertaining, wtf....who finds rape & abortion scenes "Entertaining".....
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-04 06:56 [#00933531]
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SO is ia psuedo documentary? Or something like the Faces of Death series? I recall seeing a documentary called, Wild Animals, Wild Beasts..in which they tried to portray "civilized" man being just as Barbaric as the animal and the so called primitives. One extended section of this filmfollowed the exploits of a group of I beilieve South African mercenaries hired to elimintate a tirbe of pygmies in a rain forest who were stopping their forest being chopped down, in order to clear them away to build an airport. SO these tribesmen armed with only blowpipes started being hunted down and killed in the most gruesome manner by these merceneries who were practising unbelievable atrocities like scalping and cutting off genitals off living pygmies and chocking them death with their own genitals, all for the benifit of the camera crew, shot in explicit unflinching detail.
The first time I ever came close to pissing my pants while watching something on a TV screen.
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AK47
on 2003-11-04 07:04 [#00933537]
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Yikes... I remeber my belated Dad taking me to the video shop and asking me to choose a movie, I choose Faces of Death...Dad and I watched it for ten minutes....that was more than enough for us....
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-04 07:30 [#00933552]
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For those morbidly inclined, I would recommend this book... STIFF
It is a journalists investigation into the fate of the corpses that get donated to science.
though I havent read the whole book I read some detailed excerpts from it in a magazine (ok so shoot me it was in ARENA :p) and found it to be quite...um..engrossing..
STIFF
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-04 07:31 [#00933553]
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For those morbidly inclined, I would recommend this book... STIFF
It is a journalists investigation into the fate of the corpses that get donated to science.
though I havent read the whole book I read some detailed excerpts from it in a magazine (ok so shoot me it was in ARENA :p) and found it to be quite...um..engrossing..
STIFF
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-11-04 08:14 [#00933609]
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don't see it, that's my advice. it's disgusting
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-11-04 08:15 [#00933610]
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i love splatter movies. but this movie crosses the line. it's too realistic
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-11-04 10:44 [#00933822]
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lol faces of death w/ dad.. man that would've been awkward for most people
FYI the version lecoeur is going to see is the ultra-rare uncut version.. i was lucky enough to find it in this independent video store with racks and racks of obscure old horror movies (including "the killing of satan", hah!) many of which are banned or out of print (like an original/licensed VHS "eraserhead").. so if anyone has good obscure horror recommendations, now's the time!
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-04 11:17 [#00933843]
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Eyes without a face??
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-11-04 14:03 [#00934177]
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is that the name of one? i'll look for it. just name as many as you can, i'll bring a list and look for them. i trust your movie taste a lot.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-04 14:18 [#00934198]
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if I remember correctly, isn't there quite a lot of animal cruelty in Cannibal Corpse, and it's all real, as in no special effects..?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-11-04 14:20 [#00934203]
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the giant turtle scene was real, the monkey one i think is fake. but yea that was why it was banned in italy, the stuff w/ animals is mostly if not fully real. (hey it was the 70s, crazy times! er.... yea it was disturbing, probably the most hard to watch part of the film for me)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-04 14:21 [#00934208]
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mm. I haven't seen it.
doesn't appeal to me, really.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-11-04 14:25 [#00934217]
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it's actually a great film. interesting story, good message, complex characters, good late '70s gore, vivid colors and scenes.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-11-04 14:36 [#00934232]
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The gore and the animal deaths are not majorly overdone -- it is NOT an exploitation flick.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-11-04 22:14 [#00934881]
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hummmm
i read more than i wanted about the movie. i wish i didn't know as much as i know about it cos now i'll have these expectations (good and bad) about the film before i see it.
i may have to rethink this....
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Cokey Romano
from Australia on 2003-11-04 22:20 [#00934891]
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This is banned in my country. I believe there's a negro in it. It is at the local video store though, I think it's gone now.
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Cokey Romano
from Australia on 2003-11-04 22:20 [#00934892]
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I should have to buy Salo, 120 Days of Sodom, too.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-11-04 23:00 [#00934909]
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i understand that people have their own reasons for being interested in this sort of thing, but to me simulated murder pornography is not appealing. it seems to me that the events and storyline that appear between the scenes of violence are there for pacing and to legitimize the films' reason for existing: to sell the graphic depiction of murder.
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telephasics
from miami (United States) on 2003-11-05 04:11 [#00935150]
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yeah just to let everyone know who hasnt seen the film, the turtle scene is one of the most disgusting things ever put on film...trust me you dont want to see it...its quite sad actually....
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-05 04:49 [#00935179]
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Yup it's a French movie called Les Yeux Sans Visage. (Pardon my bad French). It's considered more of a surrealist/avant garde/horror film in that order. There is this brilliant book I read not too long ago called "Cutting Edge" about a slew of movies that reside in that grey area between Arthouse and Grindhouse, I will slip out to the library and track that book down and email you a list of the films from that book.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-11-05 04:56 [#00935191]
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the film is NOT about simulated pornographic murder -- like i said, it is NOT an exploitation flick, it is a film that stands above the usual horror fare from Italy in the 1970/1980s.
You could colour Clockwork Orange by saying "I don't understand why people would want to see simulated rape and murder by phallic object", but if you did, you'd be missing the point of the film, and taking things out of context.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-05 05:02 [#00935199]
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I concur regarding Clockwork Orange :)
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corticalstim
from Canada on 2003-11-05 07:07 [#00935340]
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interesting movie - i watched it a while ago - the scenes look incredibly realistic - except for the animal scenes which were completely real anyways.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-11-05 10:48 [#00935654]
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wow, thanks! :)
where'd the term grindhouse come from anyway? i didn't hear it till about a week ago, first regarding this film's current distribution company (grindhouse entertainment?), and then a few days later when quentin tarrantino was on late night with conan o'brien talking about his ideal premiere of kill bill (an elaborate plan involving rats, movie stars, and the rival gangs the bloods and the crips).
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-11-05 11:08 [#00935676]
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marlowe, i'm not saying that every film that depicts violence is dependent on selling the graphic depiction of that violence (though it will obviously attract some individuals). a thin veneer of social commentary (or even satire) seems insufficient to defend "cannibal holocaust's" reliance on shocking serial images of degradation and violence. the violence in "a clockwork orange" generally serves the dystopian satire, and is not focused on the lurid details of corporeal effluent. comparing "a clockwork orange" to "cannibal holocaust" does the former a great disservice. to say that ch stands above the other horror fare of its time doesn't say much for "cannibal holocaust." out of curiosity, what is your idea of an exploitation flick?
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-11-05 11:28 [#00935702]
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the term grindhouse is something used to describe the seedy types of theaters that played whats commonly known as "grindhouse cinema" back in the seventies. i don't know the actual place of origin, but it generally refers to theaters playing kung fu and samurai movies, and the grimy locales those theaters are/were located in.
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blrr
from the block on 2003-11-05 11:29 [#00935704]
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its shit
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-11-05 11:39 [#00935720]
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the term grindhouse dates from the 1920's, and may originally refer to the manual turning crank of early projection systems. in association with exploitation films, the use of the word grind may refer to the sexually suggestive movements of the burlesque dancer, or the speed with which cheaply produced exploitation films were "ground" out. i'm sure there's an extensive treatment of the origin somewhere nearby...
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-11-05 12:20 [#00935810]
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I have read about Salo. There's one for you travis Salo, or The 120 Days of Sodom
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-11-05 14:02 [#00936005]
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CANNIBAL FEROX I would say is an Exploitation flick. So is I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE and ZOMBIE FLESH EATERS
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-05 14:06 [#00936016]
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yes, but for all the people who have not seen those undoubtedly fine films, what is it that connects them?
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