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offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-11-03 21:57 [#00933052]
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i'm seeing this moovie THIS week........i can hardly
wait!!!!!!

*puts some shrimp on ze BARBIE*

mmmmmmmmm......FLESH

No other European horror film has received as much
condemnation, scrutiny, and praise as Ruggero Deodato’s
infamous CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST. The film is a witty and
gruesome take on Mondo documentaries, as well as society's
fascination with aboriginal violence.

A professor searches for four documentary filmmakers who
disappeared into "the green inferno," a.k.a. Amazon River
country (the film was shot in Colombia). Eventually, he
meets the tribe responsible for the crew's demise and
returns to the U.S. with several rolls of movie film. The
salvaged footage details various tribal punishments and
alarming scenes of the filmmakers raping, burning, and
shooting the local Indians. The final reel of film sees the
natives striking back at their Yankee tormentors.



 

offline optimus prime on 2003-11-03 22:01 [#00933054]
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rape is such a harsh word. they should change it to 'forced
love', that way everyone would feel better about it.


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-11-03 22:03 [#00933055]
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*nods*

but it does create a certain mental image......perhaps thats
why they use the word?


 

offline optimus prime on 2003-11-03 22:17 [#00933062]
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i don't know. i just blanked on commenting on the actual
movie, since in all likelihood i'll never watch it.

hope you have a blast.


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-11-03 22:37 [#00933070]
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awwww

well i like controversial films and this one has been talked
about by some of the movie FIENDS on here who say it's very
good. it's not easy to find.....so in a way i feel lucky i'm
gonna get a chance to view it!

this was a former BANNED film....

Released in 1979 (supposedly at 95 mins) and considered by
many critics to be the most notorious of cannibal films of
the late 70’s, CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST was immediately banned
and censored in several countries. When it got theatrical
play, the film was often shown in an incomplete version. At
its Italian premiere on February 8th, 1980, the movie was
immediately impounded for three years, during which Deodato
faced one obscenity trial after another. In addition, it was
exhibited in theaters in the U.S. (1979) and France (1981).
Different versions exist on video, all of them transfers
from 35mm prints, not from the original negative.

INterestin'


 

offline THAXFA from Hähnlein (Germany) on 2003-11-04 00:05 [#00933177]
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Real Hardcore Stuff - Gore...Blood and Guts....Women getting
raped...meatheating.....etc......

Had a Trailer on DVD, never will see this fucking shit
again....


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-11-04 02:35 [#00933289]
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"Cannibal Holocaust" kicks ass!
It's the best cannibal-movie ever.
There is a very special feeling to this movie, and part of
it is created by the amazing music by Riz Ortolani.

It's not bad at all. Half of the movie is people watching
the reels from the crew that disappeared. So eventhough
there is gore (and other stuff that makes you feel sick),
it's not very graphic.
Instead what is scary is that scenes are drawn out (and
accompanied by the music).
For example, in one of the most disturbing scenes in the
movie (also one of the first), the crew (searching for the
documentarycrew) has to stand aside and watch how some guy
rapes a woman with a rock or if it's a large piece of wood.

This is not a movie for everyone, obviously, but I
defineatly think it's worth watching. There is not just gore
in this movie, there is a lot more to it.
It's not just a story about people from the modern society
who meet people from a less modern society, it's also a
story about what people are willing to do for money and to
become famous...

If you don't plan to see the movie, atleast go get the
soundtrack! It's amazing.


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-11-04 02:37 [#00933293]
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the crew (searching for the documentarycrew) has to stand
aside and watch how some guy rapes a woman with a rock or if
it's a large piece of wood.


The guy doesn't really rape her... He is punishing her, but
the way he is doing it...


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-11-04 02:45 [#00933307]
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Hmmm. Not sure I wanna see women getting raped for the sake
of it. Only if its tastefully done.


 

offline THAXFA from Hähnlein (Germany) on 2003-11-04 02:49 [#00933311]
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Look @the Pics....

http://de.altavista.com/image/results?stype=simage&q=cannib
al+holocaust&avkw=aapt&pg=q&imgset=2&stq=20

What about Romeros "Dawn of The dead" like this fil much
more than this crappy shit.....

Braindead is also a must see film...


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-11-04 04:51 [#00933438]
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Yeah "Dawn of the dead" is great!
I hope the remake is good aswell, since it's got some nice
photo (it seems like, from watching the trailer).

I don't like "braindead", I guess I should see it again
(only seen it once), but I didn't find it that good at all
(it was funny at certain times though).


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-11-04 04:53 [#00933440]
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Also, if you haven't seen CH you shouldn't call it "shit".


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-11-04 05:11 [#00933451]
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cannibal holocaust is a great movie -- it is better than the
usual italian 70s/80s horror; I think it is a great film in
its own right, whereas most of these kind of horror films
are just excuses for a gory effects and bad acting. The
story is very interesting, and it is actually pretty well
made. hope you like it.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-11-04 05:12 [#00933454]
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...I can't remember if this is Italian or Spanish, actually,
having written that. It might well be spanish, I can't
recall. I should check IMDB, but i can't be bothered right
now.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-11-04 05:14 [#00933455]
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...OK I checked, it IS italian :D


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-11-04 05:16 [#00933456]
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"The second word in the title is important. Ruggero
Deodato's 1979 meta-snuff movie, far more than a chichi
trinket like THE NIGHT PORTER, is the real Holocaust porn.
Here the trigger is not frights, or even shocks, or even
splatter. Atrocity is the name of Deodato's game--and the
genius of this monsterpiece is that Deodato horrifyingly
delivers the goods at the same time he coruscates his
audience and himself.

This is a hard movie to recommend to any but those who would
find it anyway; but it must be said that Deodato here
created the most rigorous, critical, almost philosophical
movie in the Italian horror canon. The audience's lust for
Third World exoticism and envelope-pushing violence are
gratified and held up to the painful light of day--and not
necessarily in that order. The overwhelming feeling of this
picture is of a pornographer pleading, "Stop me before I
shoot again."

The conceit of the movie--an academic's journey into the
Amazon to find the remains of a Western film crew devoured
by cannibals--permits Deodato more Pirandellian boxes within
boxes than a double bill of BLOWUP and THE PLAYER. But the
atmosphere of the movie, despite scenes of cruelty so
extreme you sometimes want to put out your eyeballs, is
relentlessly elegiac--capped by Riz Ortolani's theme music.
(It can be said with certainty that no romantic ballad was
ever used underneath what Deodato stages here.)

CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST is the farthest edge of Extreme
Cinema--as in Extreme Sports. It feels stuntlike, yet the
combination of amplified bloodlust and world-weary regret is
unique. Like Lucio Fulci's even more personal CAT IN THE
BRAIN, it's an affecting enactment of an exploitation
artist's conscience tearing apart.

It might make good viewing for Y2K Eve: it puts together the
century's two salient words--holocaust and entertainment--as
no other film did before or since."

Good review on IMDB


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2003-11-04 05:28 [#00933461]
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The movie is NOT as violent as some of the reviews make it
out to be. Infact I expected more GORE.
What I really dislike about it, is that they killed a REAL
turtle somewhere in middle of the movie. Those Actors must
have been real cold blooded Asshole's.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-11-04 05:31 [#00933467]
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hippie!


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2003-11-04 05:36 [#00933468]
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And I did not find this movie very entertaining, wtf....who
finds rape & abortion scenes "Entertaining".....


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-04 06:56 [#00933531]
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SO is ia psuedo documentary? Or something like the Faces of
Death series? I recall seeing a documentary called, Wild
Animals, Wild Beasts..in which they tried to portray
"civilized" man being just as Barbaric as the animal and the
so called primitives. One extended section of this
filmfollowed the exploits of a group of I beilieve South
African mercenaries hired to elimintate a tirbe of pygmies
in a rain forest who were stopping their forest being
chopped down, in order to clear them away to build an
airport. SO these tribesmen armed with only blowpipes
started being hunted down and killed in the most gruesome
manner by these merceneries who were practising unbelievable
atrocities like scalping and cutting off genitals off living
pygmies and chocking them death with their own genitals, all
for the benifit of the camera crew, shot in explicit
unflinching detail.

The first time I ever came close to pissing my pants while
watching something on a TV screen.


 

offline AK47 on 2003-11-04 07:04 [#00933537]
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Yikes... I remeber my belated Dad taking me to the video
shop and asking me to choose a movie, I choose Faces of
Death...Dad and I watched it for ten minutes....that was
more than enough for us....


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-04 07:30 [#00933552]
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For those morbidly inclined, I would recommend this book...
STIFF

It is a journalists investigation into the fate of the
corpses that get donated to science.
though I havent read the whole book I read some detailed
excerpts from it in a magazine (ok so shoot me it was in
ARENA :p) and found it to be quite...um..engrossing..

STIFF


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-04 07:31 [#00933553]
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For those morbidly inclined, I would recommend this book...
STIFF

It is a journalists investigation into the fate of the
corpses that get donated to science.
though I havent read the whole book I read some detailed
excerpts from it in a magazine (ok so shoot me it was in
ARENA :p) and found it to be quite...um..engrossing..

STIFF


 

offline AlbertoBalsalm from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2003-11-04 08:14 [#00933609]
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don't see it, that's my advice. it's disgusting


 

offline AlbertoBalsalm from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2003-11-04 08:15 [#00933610]
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i love splatter movies. but this movie crosses the line.
it's too realistic


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-11-04 10:44 [#00933822]
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lol faces of death w/ dad.. man that would've been awkward
for most people

FYI the version lecoeur is going to see is the ultra-rare
uncut version.. i was lucky enough to find it in this
independent video store with racks and racks of obscure old
horror movies (including "the killing of satan", hah!) many
of which are banned or out of print (like an
original/licensed VHS "eraserhead").. so if anyone has good
obscure horror recommendations, now's the time!


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-04 11:17 [#00933843]
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Eyes without a face??


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-11-04 14:03 [#00934177]
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is that the name of one? i'll look for it. just name as many
as you can, i'll bring a list and look for them. i trust
your movie taste a lot.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-04 14:18 [#00934198]
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if I remember correctly, isn't there quite a lot of animal
cruelty in Cannibal Corpse, and it's all real, as in no
special effects..?


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-11-04 14:20 [#00934203]
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the giant turtle scene was real, the monkey one i think is
fake. but yea that was why it was banned in italy, the stuff
w/ animals is mostly if not fully real. (hey it was the 70s,
crazy times! er.... yea it was disturbing, probably the most
hard to watch part of the film for me)


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-04 14:21 [#00934208]
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mm. I haven't seen it.

doesn't appeal to me, really.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-11-04 14:25 [#00934217]
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it's actually a great film. interesting story, good message,
complex characters, good late '70s gore, vivid colors and
scenes.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-11-04 14:36 [#00934232]
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The gore and the animal deaths are not majorly overdone --
it is NOT an exploitation flick.


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-11-04 22:14 [#00934881]
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hummmm

i read more than i wanted about the movie. i wish i didn't
know as much as i know about it cos now i'll have these
expectations (good and bad) about the film before i see it.

i may have to rethink this....


 

offline Cokey Romano from Australia on 2003-11-04 22:20 [#00934891]
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This is banned in my country. I believe there's a negro in
it. It is at the local video store though, I think it's gone
now.


 

offline Cokey Romano from Australia on 2003-11-04 22:20 [#00934892]
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I should have to buy Salo, 120 Days of Sodom, too.


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2003-11-04 23:00 [#00934909]
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i understand that people have their own reasons for being
interested in this sort of thing, but to me simulated murder
pornography is not appealing. it seems to me that the
events and storyline that appear between the scenes of
violence are there for pacing and to legitimize the films'
reason for existing: to sell the graphic depiction of
murder.


 

offline telephasics from miami (United States) on 2003-11-05 04:11 [#00935150]
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yeah just to let everyone know who hasnt seen the film, the
turtle scene is one of the most disgusting things ever put
on film...trust me you dont want to see it...its quite sad
actually....


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-05 04:49 [#00935179]
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Yup it's a French movie called Les Yeux Sans Visage. (Pardon
my bad French). It's considered more of a surrealist/avant
garde/horror film in that order. There is this brilliant
book I read not too long ago called "Cutting Edge" about a
slew of movies that reside in that grey area between
Arthouse and Grindhouse, I will slip out to the library and
track that book down and email you a list of the films from
that book.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-11-05 04:56 [#00935191]
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the film is NOT about simulated pornographic murder -- like
i said, it is NOT an exploitation flick, it is a film that
stands above the usual horror fare from Italy in the
1970/1980s.

You could colour Clockwork Orange by saying "I don't
understand why people would want to see simulated rape and
murder by phallic object", but if you did, you'd be missing
the point of the film, and taking things out of context.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-05 05:02 [#00935199]
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I concur regarding Clockwork Orange :)


 

offline corticalstim from Canada on 2003-11-05 07:07 [#00935340]
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interesting movie - i watched it a while ago - the scenes
look incredibly realistic - except for the animal scenes
which were completely real anyways.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-11-05 10:48 [#00935654]
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wow, thanks! :)

where'd the term grindhouse come from anyway? i didn't hear
it till about a week ago, first regarding this film's
current distribution company (grindhouse entertainment?),
and then a few days later when quentin tarrantino was on
late night with conan o'brien talking about his ideal
premiere of kill bill (an elaborate plan involving rats,
movie stars, and the rival gangs the bloods and the crips).


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2003-11-05 11:08 [#00935676]
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marlowe, i'm not saying that every film that depicts
violence is dependent on selling the graphic depiction of
that violence (though it will obviously attract some
individuals). a thin veneer of social commentary (or even
satire) seems insufficient to defend "cannibal holocaust's"
reliance on shocking serial images of degradation and
violence. the violence in "a clockwork orange" generally
serves the dystopian satire, and is not focused on the lurid
details of corporeal effluent. comparing "a clockwork
orange" to "cannibal holocaust" does the former a great
disservice. to say that ch stands above the other horror
fare of its time doesn't say much for "cannibal holocaust."
out of curiosity, what is your idea of an exploitation
flick?


 

offline zaphod from the metaverse on 2003-11-05 11:28 [#00935702]
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the term grindhouse is something used to describe the seedy
types of theaters that played whats commonly known as
"grindhouse cinema" back in the seventies. i don't know the
actual place of origin, but it generally refers to theaters
playing kung fu and samurai movies, and the grimy locales
those theaters are/were located in.


 

offline blrr from the block on 2003-11-05 11:29 [#00935704]
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its shit



 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2003-11-05 11:39 [#00935720]
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the term grindhouse dates from the 1920's, and may
originally refer to the manual turning crank of early
projection systems. in association with exploitation films,
the use of the word grind may refer to the sexually
suggestive movements of the burlesque dancer, or the speed
with which cheaply produced exploitation films were "ground"
out. i'm sure there's an extensive treatment of the origin
somewhere nearby...


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2003-11-05 12:20 [#00935810]
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I have read about Salo. There's one for you travis
Salo, or The 120 Days of Sodom


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-11-05 14:02 [#00936005]
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CANNIBAL FEROX I would say is an Exploitation flick. So is I
SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE and ZOMBIE FLESH EATERS


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-05 14:06 [#00936016]
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yes, but for all the people who have not seen those
undoubtedly fine films, what is it that connects them?


 


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