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i heard once, that only about 300 copies of the "criminal" series on planet-mu were sold. how about, venetian snares records ? how many records have been sold ? or aphex ? how many people bought drukqs or any album. i wanted to make a thread were we could gather such numbers. |
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It really depends on who it is and how much they appeal to music lovers. ?????????? |
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i saw a stat a while back that stated that 200'000 units of drukqs had been sold .. in terms of sales, that is probably the 'dark side of the moon' of idm. a huge exception .. probably largely thanks to radiohead name dropping "aphex" and his "windowlicker" fame ?? I doubt most of "idm" sells more than 10000 units ... let alone 5000. there's some posts that had some interesting stats about all this |
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i'm just curious. how much drukqs have been sold ? 300 ? 3000 ? or witboas ! |
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200000 !!! wow, but 5000 also seem quite impresing. |
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I think a better questiion is "Do ANY IDM records sell well?" |
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why ? |
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i mean if I could sell 500 records of my music i would be in heaven. and we have to remember that idm still isn't THAT famous. |
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I was probably being a bit generous [?] 5000 is probably like platinum in idm actually .. There's too many artists/releases these days [good and bad] so its hard to stick out one's neck now - unless you're one of "the big names" .. aphex, ae, boc, maybe plaid .. pusher, µ-ziq etc. vibert would get the mowax audience as well i guess? noo idea i'm just talking out of my arse now ,,.. |
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re: you selling 500 ... i haven't heard your stuff - but to sort of put it in perspective? most m3rck releases have 1000 copies pressed, and i think only Machine Drums' "Now You Know" has been re-pressed .. And if you've heard any stuff off M3rck .. that means there some fuckin lush as music not selling more than 1000 units! But then a lot seems about branding/getting your name out there .. fucknose |
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Yeah, Vinert has the advantage that all the mowax/ninja tunes fans get his stuff. I know a few people into that sort of stuff who've never heard of Aphex etc. but who love vibert. N.O.W. have a similair sort of appeal to fans of those labels... |
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korben: I wish I could talk my ass off that well (lose some weight at the same time...) Not that one should blame the artists, but part of the reason IDM doesn't sell well (this is my hypothesising) is that, as electronica, any bloody record shop charges more for it. |
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Also, the very fact that it's [the genre] often referred to as 'IDM' will always sound ridiculously pretentious. |
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That, and the essence of the genre (remember the classic Artificial Intelligence cover ?) is 70's progressive rock applied to late 80's and 90's dance aesthetics. |
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dunno enough about business .. but it seems a bit of a supply demand issue. i remember when "mhtrtc" used to be ca. 50 nz dollars [a fuckin rip], after the whole radiohead kid-a thing etc. and with the release of geogaddi cd stores now stock it for the regular price of 35 ... dunno who is to blame? Vibert's a clever chap: he spreads it around .. loads of releases on other labels, he's got some releases on Ninja Tunes as well if i'm not mistaken? |
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I SAY, Warp, SKAM, Rephlex, Mego et al. should try marketing to perpetual stoners, the Peter Gabriel - era Genesis jetset, hipsters (sometimes, ya know, they DO get it right), and people my parent's age trying to learn how to 'dance modernly'. |
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re: the "idm" thing .. i haven't actually seen any store label their music under this genre? and i don't think the pretentious aspect stops 'people' [ie. the masses]. just look at "intelligent drum n bass": LTJ Bukem and the Earth series i think sells pretty well considering - its got lush packaging and fully goes for that retro swank thing. |
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korben: I'm not sure if they're full - lengths or compilation contributions. He did 'Slipped Disc' for the Funkingfusion comp. *dashes over to discogs* |
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korben: excellent point, BUT |
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Yeah, I reckon vibert does a lot better out of his music than some people we'd consider more famours among the IDM acts... He has released on Nothing Records, Mo Wax, Ninja Tunes etc. as well as IDM labels. Not to mention things like him remixing Moloko - Lotus Eater... that's a very popular ibaza chill out type track. Features on compilations/mix cds galore. |
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just curious... this thing with the criminal series is right ?? |
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'drums n' bass' was STILL IN THE NAME, giving people an idea as to what the album's vibe is. |
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I remember only Musipal being on Ninja Tune. |
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With IDM, one doesn't know how 'intelligent' or danceable it will be. Even if you're an amateur musicologist, you'll still struggle to figure out how ambient or abrasive the record's gonna be. |
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I still think idm is a really crappy genre name. But i think that 5000 sales is good as long as it pays the bills that's all that matters. Plus i think more people earn from doing gigs. |
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I think it was pressed as 500 to start with. As they've done a re-pressing I assume that it's sold over 500. I could be wrong though. Check planet-mu.com. Might have something htere. |
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I think criminal was repressed due ot the original run selling out though... Jaysuz Jones: Even if people hear only musipal and really like it, they'll get online and find out his other aliases, then buy them (whatever label they're on). I expect some ninja tunes fans will be buying Yoseph despite it being a warp album. |
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Jaysuz: yeah .. marketing the image type thing definitely is part of it .. so could well be that idm is off-putting, or just foreign to most people. Ceri: yeah for sure .. Vibert has some funky grooves and what not, but yeah .. doesn't get talked about so much here I think SKAM stuff could go down real well with the sort of skate/xtreme sport culture, that seems to be dominated by punk? But then that wouldn't work on so many other levels .. so many forces at play ;) |
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and how much witboas ?? |
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Jebus, don't get me started on SKAM. Is their website still an indicipherable (sp?) mess ? When is Gescom gonna get re - released ? Why the FUCK isn't Bola inside 2 out of every 3 hipsters decks ? What 'image' ? Some of these cats are like the KLF (in it for the fame & dough) or Pearl Jam (making music for cash but trying not to be famous). 'IDM' will ALWAYS be an underground movement for these reasons; I think more skaterpunks would dig tigerbeat6. |
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Shit, gotta go ! HAVE A GREAT DAY EVERYONE ! |
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I wonder how Cex's most recent rap efforts have gone down ? true, problem with a lot of idm stuff though is that its in that uncomfortable zone between underground and sort of above ground - but as skink sais - if 5000 items sold pays the bills then its ok. |
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Zeus posted some figures on this thread . I can't remember if they were eventually confirmed as bollocks or truth. Don't bother reading all the thread, it turns nasty due to.... er, me. |
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Yes, I think the skam website sucks. I know most music listeners have speakers on their pc, but try navigating it in work (if you don't have speakers). Sure, once you are familair with it, it's not a problem, but it is far too unfriendly. If I want to buy a record, I just want to hand over my details and get it in the post, not spend quarter of an hour messing around with a highly abstracted navigation system with a hard to understand voice when I am fortunate enough to be on a pc with speakers. It's a record label, not a challenge annaka style puzzle :) |
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criminal was severely limited to make law suits unfruitful |
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"no" simple answer |
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500 are already much |
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lol, nothing like a good message board arguement to bring a smile to my face! :) |
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this is UNCONFIRMED (taken from an older topic) Retail Sales- CD name, Artist Name, CD Code, Date it was released, and amount sold since that date (US). CLARO BROTHOMSTATES WRPR A 09/18/01 1354 QTIO BROTHOMSTATES WRPR S 11/27/01 748 AMBER AUTECHRE TVTW A 01/24/95 16976 AMBER AUTECHRE TVTW A 01/24/95 0 AUTECHRE AUTECHRE INT A 10/06/98 15873 AUTECHRE AUTECHRE INT A 10/06/98 0 BASS CADET AUTECHRE TVTW S 06/07/94 8408 CHIASTIC SLIDE AUTECHRE WRPR A 11/27/01 3475 CHIASTIC SLIDE AUTECHRE MSI A 05/18/99 0 CONFIELD AUTECHRE WRPR A 04/17/01 15548 EP 7 AUTECHRE INT A 06/01/99 13459 EP 7 AUTECHRE MSI A 06/29/99 0 GANTZ GRAF AUTECHRE WRPR S 08/06/02 3215 INCUNABULA AUTECHRE TVTW A 01/25/94 16140 INCUNABULA AUTECHRE TVTW A 01/05/94 19 PEEL SESSIONS AUTECHRE INT A 02/09/99 9694 PEEL SESSION AUTECHRE INT S 02/09/99 0 PEEL SESSIONS AUTECHRE MSI S 01/12/99 0 TRI REPETAE++ AUTECHRE TVTW A 03/19/96 30410 VOL. 2-PEEL SESSION AUTECHRE WRPR A 12/12/00 8494 1985-92 SELECTED AMBIENT WO APHEX TWIN PID A 12/09/97 581 2 REMIXES BY AFX APHEX TWIN PID S 08/28/01 121 51/13-SINGLES COLLECTION APHEX TWIN PID A 05/16/00 325 BEST OF APHEX TWIN APHEX TWIN MRAM A 05/25/00 948 CAUSTIC WINDOW APHEX TWIN PIDM A 07/18/00 0 CLASSICS APHEX TWIN MRAM A 12/11/00 997 CLASSICS APHEX TWIN PID A 12/09/97 1187 CLASSICS APHEX TWIN PID A 03/30/99 0 CLASSICS APHEX TWIN PIAS A 02/12/02 6076 COME TO DADDY EP APHEX TWIN RHI A 10/21/97 124620 COME TO VIDDY APHEX TWIN RHI V 03/17/98 16870 COME TO DADDY APHEX TWIN PID A 09/02/97 140 DRUKQS APHEX TWIN RHI A 10/23/01 56049 DRUKQS APHEX TWIN PID A 10/22/01 0 DRUKQS APHEX TWIN WRPR A 10/31/01 0 EXPERT KNOB TWIDDLERS APHEX TWIN PID A 09/01/98 115 I CARE BECAUSE YOU DO APHEX TWIN RHI A 04/25/95 60862 ON APHEX TWIN WAR S 01/20/93 16940 RICHARD D. JAMES ALBUM APHEX TWIN RHI A 01/28/97 93387 RICHARD D. JAMES APHEX TWIN MSIW A 01/23/97 0 RICHARD D. JAMES (IMPORT) APHEX TWIN MSI A 11/15/96 903 SELECTED AMBIENT WORKS APHEX TWIN MRAM A 1 |
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SELECTED AMBIENT WORKS APHEX TWIN MRAM A 12/11/00 1949 SELECTED AMBIENT WORKS 85-9 APHEX TWIN PIAS A 02/12/02 11407 SELECTED AMBIENT WORKS APHEX TWIN MSI A 12/13/96 SELECTED AMBIENT WORKS APHEX TWIN MSI A 12/13/96 0 SINGLES COLLECTION APHEX TWIN PID A 12/09/97 256 VENTOLIN APHEX TWIN EEG S 03/21/95 8621 VOL. 2-SELECTED AMBIENT WOR APHEX TWIN WAR A 04/12/94 104965 VOL. 3-ANALOGUE BUBBLEBATH APHEX TWIN PID A 12/02/97 128 WINDOWLICKER APHEX TWIN RHI V 02/23/99 20093 WINDOWLICKER APHEX TWIN RHI S 03/23/99 51349 WINDOW LICKER APHEX TWIN MSI S 04/06/99 11 CLASSICS APHEX TWINS PID A 12/09/97 25 BIG LOADA SQUAREPUSHER INT A 10/06/98 17859 BIG LODA SQUAREPUSHER INT A 10/06/98 0 BUDAKHAN MINDPHONE SQUAREPUSHER INT A 02/23/99 16982 BURNINGN'N TREE SQUAREPUSHER PID A 05/30/00 34 BURNINGN'N TREE SQUAREPUSHER WRPR A 11/27/01 2905 DO YOU KNOW SQUAREPUSHER SQUAREPUSHER WRPR A 10/01/02 7252 FEED ME WEIRD THINGS SQUAREPUSHER EFAC A 11/17/98 10009 GO PLASTIC SQUAREPUSHER WRPR A 06/26/01 20428 HARD NORMAL DADDY SQUAREPUSHER WRPR A 11/27/01 4853 HARD NORMAL DADDY SQUAREPUSHER MSI A 06/08/99 0 MAXIMUM PRIEST SQUAREPUSHER INT A 07/13/99 10852 MUSIC IS ROTTED ONE NOTE SQUAREPUSHER INT A 10/20/98 20459 MUSIC IS ROTTED ONE NOTE SQUAREPUSHER INT A 10/20/98 0 MY RED HOT CAR SQUAREPUSHER WRPR S 05/15/01 7112 SELECTION SIXTEEN SQUAREPUSHER INT A 11/09/99 14863 SELECTION SIXTEEN SQUAREPUSHER PID A 06/27/00 1 SELECTION SIXTEEN SQUAREPUSHER WRPR A 11/27/01 590 UNTITLED SQUAREPUSHER WRPR S 02/05/02 2085 Clarence Park - 1436 GEOGADDI BOARDS OF CANADA PID A 01/08/01 0 GEOGADDI BOARDS OF CANADA WRPR A 02/19/02 36653 HIGH SCORES EP BOARDS OF CANADA PID A 12/17/02 17 HIGH SCORES BOARDS OF CANADA MSI S 09/07/99 98 IN A BEAUTIFUL PLACE OUT IN BOARDS OF CANADA WRPR S 11/28/00 19326 MUSIC HAS THE RIGHT TO CHIL BOARDS OF CANADA MAT A 09/22/98 45913 PEEL SESSIONS E.P. BOARDS OF CANADA PID A 09/18/01 10 PEEL SESSIONS BOARDS OF CANADA MSID S 01/26/99 0 TWOISM BOARDS OF CAN |
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TWOISM BOARDS OF CANADA WRPR A 11/26/02 7390 |
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EP 7 AUTECHRE MSI A 06/29/99 0 Zero eh? damn shame! I liked that one, even bought it, |
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found the original topic |
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I guess Skam could have sold more if they wanted to. But isn't the limited release one of their "things"? Global Goons last release sold 7 000 and Music has the right has passed 100 000, so I guess there is only a few artist who can make a lot of money. |
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Like I did nearly an hour ago then |
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must be a joke |
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careerist ! |
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this is all speculation and those figures are meaningless as they take nothing into account they-re just some numbers ... electronic music sells really badly. maybe its because of dedicated electronic music sites that give away music for $5 a month or whatever like soulseek. loads of people download stuff from there for free without thinking of the effects it has on labels and artists.. it's also pretty specialist and the events and promoters aren't often there to give it some promotion in a live way .... |
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It's depressing that my next album will have a larger pressing than some of these. It's even more depressing that I won't sell that many. :P |
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BEST OF APHEX TWIN APHEX TWIN MRAM A 05/25/00 948 What's this? is it 51/13 ? |
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