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Phobiazero from Sweden on 2001-02-24 15:28 [#00000365]



Check out some vocal IDM-tracks here.


 

offline corngrower from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2002-02-26 22:58 [#00103684]
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8274 topics later I'de say...

no, I don't think so


 

offline BaronVonPickleF from United States on 2002-02-26 23:00 [#00103688]
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A friend of mine told me that they don't like my music
because it didn't have any words in it !!!!THE BARON HAS
SPOKEN!!!!!!!


 

offline corngrower from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2002-02-26 23:01 [#00103693]
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Tell that friend to sing along then


 

offline raimons from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-02-26 23:01 [#00103694]
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music is music. with or without lyrics.
some music seems to sound better with lyrics and some dont.
It`s life man!


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-02-26 23:03 [#00103697]
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I've started to like singing less and less... unless it's
David Gilmour or John Lennon!


 

offline corngrower from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2002-02-26 23:26 [#00103732]
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Me too...

you know, this topic is over a year old? We've come a long
way, baby.
:)


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-02-26 23:32 [#00103737]
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me too


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-02-26 23:32 [#00103739]
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hehe.. its so old the link no longer works..
but it WOULD be interesting to here some lyrics in idm...
can u post the link again phobiazero?


 

offline Xanatos from New York City (United States) on 2002-02-26 23:33 [#00103741]
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I have this theory that the #1 thing stopping people from
coming into the electronica scene from any other genre is
the lack of lyrics. People have these stupid preconceptions
about what music has to be in order for it to be listenable.
I mean, people can like something on hearing it, but they
just wont listen to something actively unless it has lyrics
to it.

It's quite said. And I totally agree with ophecks, I'm
starting to like singing less and less, I appraise hip hop
music just for its beats more and more, and I wish Bjork
would shut up so I could hear her tunes. In fact, I wish
pretty much everything came in instrumental form because 90%
of the time it would be better! Maybe I'm getting carried
away a bit but it annoys me sometimes, especially when what
people are often really listening to are half-assed
electronic melodies in pop-songs when they could be
listening to Richy Rich.



 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-02-26 23:34 [#00103744]
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Isn't this ''Celine'' in the custom remixes? Performed a
vocal Nannou? It was good! It's still there, I bet.


 

offline TuffPirat from Sweden on 2002-02-26 23:34 [#00103745]
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Ok mark this:

Im only listeing to electronical music beacuse i sing so
bad. I do not want to see my self walking don the street
singin the text to my favourite song, that would be way too
cruel to the ppl in my surrounding. There for i pick my
music after the lack of singalong effect. The less the
better.


 

offline corngrower from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2002-02-26 23:35 [#00103747]
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ONE MORE OPHECKS!!!


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-02-26 23:37 [#00103756]
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ya but ur voice can be an instrument too..
the less dependant it is on lyrics the more of an instrument
it is, i think
like some radiohead songs especially
i dont mind it then


 

offline TuffPirat from Sweden on 2002-02-26 23:39 [#00103759]
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But if an instrumet sounds bad it could be because somone
haven't tuned it. If you sing bad that's your own fault.


 

offline Xanatos from New York City (United States) on 2002-02-26 23:40 [#00103760]
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any comments on my theory? ^follow up


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-02-26 23:40 [#00103762]
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true


 

offline TrevorGod from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-02-26 23:43 [#00103770]
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not only do 'people' want lyrics to sing along to they also
want them in the usual verse-chorus-verse arrangement. That
way you can be singing along before you've finished lisning
to the song 1 time.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-02-26 23:44 [#00103775]
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ya i agree w/ u xanatos...

maybe they feel they can relate to lyrics more easily than
beats...

OR.. GET THIS:

vocals are in the same language people communicate and think
in..
so they'll feel more at home w/ some guy singing words they
can relate to as opposed to rhythm/beats

but maybe some people (like us) are more used to rhythms..
we think of them more, we spend a lot of time analyzing
them..
and because of that we can convey emotion through
non-lyrical music more easily

ie. boards of canada can be very effective at that without
the use of lyrics


 

offline TuffPirat from Sweden on 2002-02-26 23:44 [#00103776]
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You are right, what one want to hear is fully subjective,
and can be altered. There are no absolutes in what the bain
like to recive from it ear nerves, that's manipulative.

Fashion is a good word here. What we experience can be the
sound of tomorrow.


 

offline corngrower from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2002-02-26 23:45 [#00103782]
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I totally agree with your theory Xantos, kids are bombarded
by TV showing all the popular videos, all with singing in
them, making them believe singing is a necesity for good
music.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-02-26 23:45 [#00103783]
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[editors notes: i didn't mean JUST rhythms... just other
musical tools other than lyrics:
we dont need the singer to tell us he/she is feeling down,
the music tells us)


 

offline corngrower from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2002-02-26 23:48 [#00103786]
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Very interesting indeed...


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-02-26 23:49 [#00103789]
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wot do u think about songs when its just talking?


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-02-26 23:49 [#00103790]
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Electronic music conjures up INFINITELY more vivid and
poweful mental images because they have no lyrics...
nobody's telling me what to think, what the song means.

It's so sad when people won't listen to SAW 2 because there
isn't any LYRICS to tell them how they should interpret the
track.


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-02-26 23:51 [#00103791]
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I think lyrics are good because they give u something to
relate to and to try and understand, and music is amazing
cos it just takes u somewhere. I try and make misleading or
titles that are really ambiguous, but still hav meaning in
them. I like meaning and metaphors, I cant help it!


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-02-26 23:51 [#00103793]
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Xanatos:

agree - it seems lyrics serve as a type of backbone for pop
music ? a lot of music really .. so i guess it is perhaps
not all too surprising that when people listen to largely
instrumental electronica (ie. thrown in the deep end) they
are kind of lost and have no reference point, and so all the
beats, the seemingly chaotic synths appear hard to follow??
maybe [seems like a bit of an extention to yer theory]

personally i don't mind lyrics .. altho i prefer without. I
do however very much like the use of vocal snippets (v v
short) as a percussion hit .. ie. Funkstorung do this
wonderfully .. ie. what is being said is nonsensical - but
the actual timbre of the sound seems quite innately familiar
? dunno .. just blabbing


 

offline TuffPirat from Sweden on 2002-02-26 23:51 [#00103794]
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I'll tell you that when you tell me what you think about
edge-less knifes.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-02-26 23:52 [#00103796]
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ya ophecks
its like they aren't creative/open/independant minded enough
to play an active role in the music they're listening
too...

u shoud be able to come up w/ ur own ideas to accompany
music

its sad....


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-02-26 23:53 [#00103799]
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oops, i hope i did not come off sounding too critical
there...
didn't mean for it to sound that way


 

offline corngrower from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2002-02-26 23:54 [#00103802]
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Yeah, I like the use of vocal snipplets also, making the
voice an instrument, like u-ziq - goodbye, goodbye


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2002-02-26 23:57 [#00103810]
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i fully agree with you xanatos
even when "electronica" songs do get popular, they are
always the ones that have lyrics. "around the world around
the world" "i am the fi-ya staa tah" or the new "wheres yo
head at?"

my theory is that simple people or people with no
appreciation for music need to have the lyrics there to have
something to relate too when they are listening. it's
easier for them to find meaning in words than in sound.

what i hate is how pop bands feel like they need lyrics even
though they have nothing worth saying. i mean, if you are
gonna say something AND put it to music, shouldn't it, at
the very least, have some importance or poetic merit; and
not be just "fo da nookie?"


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-02-26 23:58 [#00103812]
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depends on how efficiently you implement your sound


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-02-27 00:04 [#00103821]
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Today's rock bands try to sound so hardcore and
meaningful... makes me sick, these rich, spoiled brats whine
to cater to the little idiot ''rebels'' that listen to their
tripe. Society sucks, parents suck, blablabla.



 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2002-02-27 00:05 [#00103826]
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i am not, however saying that lyrics are only for simple
people. i am just saying that some people NEED lyrics and
some people can appreciate more than just the lyrics.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-02-27 00:06 [#00103828]
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haha.. true...

its pathetic how angry little teenagers take 'their' culture
so seriously.. they dont realise its all business!

pfft: even rebellion is packaged and sold..


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-02-27 00:06 [#00103829]
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hey why arent' u a wizard ??? ophex


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-02-27 00:07 [#00103830]
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lol.... ophecks has hit the nail on the head!!

People go for songs with lyrics, cos they've been brought up
singing words.... singing windowlicker is quite a challenge
:-)


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2002-02-27 00:08 [#00103832]
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thats funny ophecks
rock music used to have angst because of opression (NIN,
Rage against the machine) now its just angst because mommy
didn't love me and daddy didn't show me enough attention.



 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-02-27 00:09 [#00103834]
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can u imagine punk music with any lyrics? it just doesnt
seem right, does it?


 

offline Peter File from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2002-02-27 00:10 [#00103838]
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No, you're right; punk music with lyrics is a ridiculous
idea.


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-02-27 00:10 [#00103839]
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only music of insufficient sound needs to be backed by
lyrics to convey its message. those who can implement
legitimate sound don't need lyrics, for the sound conveys
the message all on its own.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-02-27 00:11 [#00103842]
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ya thats what i was tryin to say..


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-02-27 00:11 [#00103843]
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take NIN's the Great Below for example.... would it be as
moving if trent didnt scream "THE GREAT BELOW" after the
crescendo [build up :-)]...?


 

offline TuffPirat from Sweden on 2002-02-27 00:11 [#00103844]
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Funny... RDJ once said he only did music beacuse of the
money.


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-02-27 00:12 [#00103845]
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heheh. oopsss.... punk music WITHOUT.......... dont u just
hate cock ups like that?


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-02-27 00:12 [#00103846]
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so what's more important, voice or speech?


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2002-02-27 00:14 [#00103850]
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most punk music hardly has MUSIC let alone lyrics.
i like some punk but jeez
2 guitars and some drums? and the guitars are recyclying
the same 10 power cords.


 

offline TrevorGod from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-02-27 00:14 [#00103851]
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Lyrics can also add to music. They arn't all Nicleback and
Backstreet Boys. Velvet Underground's music was great and
lyrics just added too it. Voice can be very powerful in
conveying emotion as well. It doesn't have to be words.
ie. Sigur Ros.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2002-02-27 00:15 [#00103854]
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or cocteau twins


 


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