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Topic discussion: should we be more careful or should we stop? |
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nr. 5 :P |
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sorry, i think we shouldn't stop until they make original cd's cheaper |
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you could make this a poll at your site :) |
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"Once we begin our evidence-gathering process, any individual computer user who continues to offer music illegally to millions of others will run the very real risk of facing legal action in the form of civil lawsuits that will cost violators thousands of dollars and potentially subject them to criminal prosecution," Do you still think that then? |
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dude...that's just a lame excuse and you know it...cd's won't become cheaper... reason: inflation |
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huh they're only talking about people who offer the music... btw i find this a pretty difficult subject |
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i'm seriously thinking about quitting the "hunting" of whole albums...sure a song or to, but if i wan't to hear the album I will try buying it instead. |
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Does this really worry anyone here? |
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without sharers, there is no p2p - think about that |
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6th actually- I've been counting :) UK peeps- no need for us to worry yet, our equivalent of the RIAA haven't taken similair action yet :D |
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yeah...me ...and artists (no matter what style) that doens't get the payment that they deserve |
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well...the Danish has and in a couple of months Sweden will to... |
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they could be more cheap, most cd's are 20 - 22 euros's here! since the euro the price went up pretty much, it's not normal inflation and still, if they'd sell 'em for about 12 - 14 euro they would still earn enough money |
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what are you guys counting? |
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The paragraphs I guess |
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probly...but maybe they became so expensive because of the the piracy... Sure, putting the price down a bit will help, but it's the main thoughts of this "sub-culture" we that has to be changed to get these music-sales to work again. I don't think shutting down p2p will help that much. It will probly just cause another network to pop up. But I think if people understood that they actually are making this industry (that we musicmakers/listeners actually depends on) more moneybased than it should be. |
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The threads that have been created relating to this topic... |
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i'm not worried at all, i buy all my music originally anyway, just d/l some stuff to get a preview of some records .. and i d/l stuff which i can't get on cd, HAB, MFM, AB5, live sessions etc. if it could really get me into trouble i wouldn't mind stopping d/l-ing at all. i don't believe it'll happen that soon though as bill_hicks said in an other thread, sometimes on kazaa there are over 4 million people sharing their files, i wonder how they're gonna track'em all down |
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ah..i understand...it's a sign of thoughts ;) |
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i hope they sue me -- i think it would be hilarious. they won't, though. i don't think i have any mp3s they would even care about at all. |
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Well, we're in a vicious circle if you put it like that. CDs are fucking expensive. It's just not normal anymore. This hasn't just to do with piracy. I had to write a paper on that last year. Turned out that (here in holland) the sales of singles have decreased dramatically. However the sales of albums have increased with 8%!!! Apparently the recording industry didn't find that worth enough mentioning... :\ |
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they sued a whole LANparty in denmark...all the kids just payed the money, but one 14 year old kid was the only one to go in court with it. He lost and had to pay $200.000 |
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Do you not think the artists or the record companys deserve the money they make from the CDs? |
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yeah,....but I know some artists in Denmark that sell actual records... When selling a record as an artists, you only get approx 3% of what it's sold for (atleast in Denmark)...I think THAT sucks... |
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the artists only earn real money on PR and jingles etc. ...cd-sales just helps them boost the commercialism |
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Of course I do, but the profits that are currently made from (most) CDs are insane. I have absolutely no problem with supporting an artist, but as Junktion said, the artist only gets 2 or 3% of the profits anyway. BTW it doesn't have to be like this with the current prices. I got my special edition of Further down the spiral by NIN yesterday: ¤11,49!! And they STILL make profit on it! |
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Business is business.....and people who share willingly 'copyrighted' material are breaking the law, and taking them to court is a way of perhaps getting some cash back. If they make an example of a few people, it is probably there thinking that the sales will increase again, because more people will start to buy music rather than risk the penalties |
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it's probly more profitable for the record-industry to sue every sharer, than it is to sell the records they downloaded...think of that |
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hopefully nobody cares. i think that would be hilarious. i can see the headlines. RIAA EFFORTS POINTLESS. mp3s are like free radio -- if we can't hear any kind of selection of music on the radio.....then people are just going to download. |
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from the RIAA website: "ZOEgirl Group, top-selling Contemporary Christian artists: “When we were little girls, we didn't see anything wrong with copying cassette tapes, because it was so easy to do, and we didn't know any better. Well, we know better now, because with the availability of copying, uploading and downloading cds, this kind of thing has severely affected the funds that are available to record, market and package the music we now make. People need to be educated on the fact that if piracy continues at the current rate, very soon there will simply NOT BE the amazing music that is out there now.” " well, thank fucking god! i hope you contemporary christian tossers never record another CD in your lifetime! oooh nooo! piracy is so eeeeeeevil! it says so in the bible - it's wrong to steal music! |
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some ISP's is actually working on a system that detects copyrighted mp3's when downloading ...but that system will be cracked to ofcourse |
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You are perhaps right. Loads of people do this. That being said, with programs like Kazaa, I don't share files, and in SS I only share to people I know or people who have asked...I know that goes against the 'purpose' of those places, but I'm only in breach of accepting these 'stolen' goods - not distrbuting heehhe |
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same here, but have you noticed the amount of people NOT sharing lately. The ones who DO share has a shitload of stuff...that's why there still is that much out there. But that also makes it easier for people like RIAA to find the sharers, because it almost is like organized crime. If all the "big" shares wasn't there, there would not be any p2p, and therefore the record-sales would go up. But think of it in this way to: While this mp3-boom has happened over the last couple of years, the artists in the world has also boomed. There's a lot more "known" underground genres and artists. And if we came back to buying cd's, things like Autechre, BoC etc., would somehow be kept underground. So is that good or bad? |
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...and the "share or be cut off" remark is a hoax...no one is monitoring uploads and downloads these days |
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The whole thing is a tricky situation isn't it? |
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Won't people just use software that prevents your IP address from being broadcasted? |
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in all probablility, sooner or later, some sort of P2P software will be devised which will mask the individual users' ISP #'s, so the only way remaining to trace a potential "thief" would be by the sheer volume of data which passed onto his/her computer. |
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Your ISP will always know what you are doing |
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exactly...but for me is more like "should i really keep on doing this?" .... The effort you have to put into getting full-albums and movies, is getting bigger and bigger. The reason is demand. Pop is easier to find because it's popular, while underground-music and not so popular movies are hard and sometimes even impossible to find. Besides - I will not waste my life by getting caught with piracy...life is to precious...I would rather NOT download stuff. I think people sometimes forget that if they got caught right in this moment, a lot of people would have the rest of the life ruined by lawsuits. I saw this show on Swedish tv where this guy got a aprox $1.000.000 lawsuit. He had nothing. He only could afford to live in a small crappy apartment. All he had was a bed and a TV and he had to eat at a shelter. Who here would redo there choices if they where in the same situation. |
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If you where working at an ISP, and your job was to monitor suspicious transfers, don't you think that it was obvious that some guy with a 10GB transfer a month was downloading illegal shit. You can't find 10GB of legal data in one month ya' know... |
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That's america! 1 million dollars...I don't call that punishing or setting an example, I call that squeezing every last penny from someone who has downloaded and shared a few CD, just like millions of others do. 1 million bucks is immoral. Some judges seem to have a knack of not seeing a certain ratio between the act of crime and the punishment. Sure, he has broken the law, there's no debating about that but come on... |
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as i said...this was in Sweden ;) |
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I forsee an increasing popularity of "non-pussy" ISPs that whilst charging more, will fight to the last and demand a court injunction to release your details... perhaps they'll even intentionally implement their system in such a way that even they can't tell who is doing what- just to cover their back. You can already get "offshore" data stores (one of the spitbank forts in the solent is used for this) that are almost like pirate radio stations for datawarehousing. If the demand is there, someone will provide the service. |
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It was on Swedish TV (don't you guys get american people in the news? ;) ) and you mentioned 1.000.000 dollars :P |
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Don't worry mate, as I mentioned here yesterday I will visit you in prison! ;) Junktion: I think it is a matter of time before this happens elsewhere. I think it is all very well for CeriJC to say 'UK peeps don't worry'.....but I do not think that is necessarily the case, we maybe living on borrowed time! :) |
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i quickcalculated the sue, and it WAS a Swedish guy |
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the solution for everything would be: Putting your download limit for normal users on ALL ISP's down to 3GB a month. If you download non-piracy, that would actually be enough.... ;) |
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"we maybe living on borrowed time! " My plan; buy two 120gb HDs now... DL all material available by artists you like, have had recommended etc. remove these from your internet machine and put them in a standalone PC for music. When the law is implemented here, just be careful to never hav emore than an album or so on your "net pc" so you will be well down the list of people to prosecute. From time to time, disconnect your net connection, LAN the 2 machines and move your mp3s across to your music machine. Then disconnet the lan and reconnect the internet :D |
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wouldn't it be easyer just NOT sharing files? :P |
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