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Yeah, I know it your own life and a question of choice and all that...but why would you guys (and I mean those here that seem to be on acid/ mushrooms/pot quite a bit) do it so regularly? I can understand an occassional joint, but topics such as "smuggling acid" and "drugs for tonight" make it seem like the situation round here is a lot worse than just that. I fully support your right to make your own decisions, but I still don't see why you should do something that is so dangerous... Whatever, it is your lives...why do I care. |
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it suprises me how many on this mb are doing hard drugs on so frequent basis, like once-twice a week |
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resentment? |
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exactly... I thought we had left all the drugged out maddness of raves back in 92...I dunno...maybe next pacifiers and glow-sticks will make an appearance as well.... |
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thats the great thing about humans.. everyones perspective is different.. what may be hard drugs to some is just breakfast for others |
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resentment! |
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more like worry...but then as I said...I don't know why I worry...when quite so obviously, those doing it don't worry... |
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not. |
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hehe.. well put! well ... eh... Why do I smoke a joint every day? I just enjoy the effect it has on me. nothing more, nothing less. I could also drink whiskey every day , or just do nothing. (that happens too) I can afford a joint every day and I enjoy it.I don't have any other problems or it doesn't cause problems. Why wouldn't I do it? maybe I'm not using enough to answer your question cos I'm feeling quite normal. I don't feel like I belong to the group of hardcore users, but maybe that's my problem ;) nah!I don't have a problem |
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Agreed |
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well, weed is another thing, not really a dangerous drug. alachol is worse IMO, makes you more fucked up, and do more stupid things |
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although cannabis has long term affects on you if you smoke it almost everyday. not a good thing if you get addictive |
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Agreed that Weed isn't a dangerous drug, but alcohol doesn't have to be dangerous either. It can be dangerous but that depends on the person driniking it, and how much. And then again, I also know some guys that wake up and smoke weed until they go to bed, they no longer function normally without their joints. It's their choice and all that, but from that moment, no longer being able to function normally, even weed can become dangerous. (I do not have anything against anyone doing any drugs as long as they know their limits and not annoy others for not doing it, and also when under influence do not go out and drive cars or so). |
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well...yeah...weed and alcohol are acceptable in that you need to drink litres a day for years before it kills you or worse still, incapacitates you permanently in some way. Joints are kinda okay too in that they are not as dangerous....but acid and mushrooms...thats carzy stuff...it could result in physical injury... But then again, these are my lines...and seeing as I draw them where I see fit, I guess others would draw them where they see fit. I guess after all it is upto each individual...though I'd hate to see any frind of mine OD and die. And I am guessing the same goes for friends of those that are on these hard drugs as well. I just wish they do something about it. After all, I am just a random guy that doesn't want people to get hurt...maybe I am stupid. I will shut up. |
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Respect man! I only use alcohol and tobacco. I have a strict policy against other drugs. They talk about GHB here in Sweden which is supposed to be some kind of medicine and if you use it you get no hangover. I think that if you do drugs you should get a hangover... snus, ciggs and whiskey! |
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1.I fully support your right to make your own decisions, 2.but I still don't see why you should do something that is so dangerous... do you support people making their own decisions? i don't see how 2. follows from 1. - that's all. |
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alcohol causes the most amount of psychological disorders compared to any other psychoactive substance - and seems to cause quite frequent/a lot, directly/indirectly of physical harm wouldn't you say? drinking & driving ain't exactly the healthiest habit. drinking & fighting |
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it affects people around you wether you like it or not, even with weed (usually based on ignorance). it's not a good thing seeing your friends suck deep into drug addiction. I got very pissed off when i was smoking weed for some time (not doing it now though) that my x-girlfriend (which i considered my best friend ...once)went ballistic when i told her i was smoking weed, she got mad at me and called me a druggie, called me stupid, and other hurtfull names. she just looked down on me, and yet she'd be drinking heavily on weekends for years. i think it's just so extremely hypocritical |
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If two my frinds want to jump out of a plane and take their wedding wows skydiving, well...I wouldn't understand that...but that does not mean I won't support their choice to do it. My lack of understanding prevents me supporting it, as I do not support things I don't undersatnd. But there might be others that DO understand...and I am okay with that. As far as I can see it is a dangerous thing to do... but that is just me. I am open to the possibility that those doing it know better than me as to what they are doing. |
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GBH mixed with alcohol can cause death, I suppose death is an effective cure for a hangover :D GBH is classed along with Rohypnol as a date rape drug, and taking 1 to 2 grams more than a normal dose can cause a temporary coma. It is beleived to be physically addictive, and a proper overdose will result in death. s far as I am aware it is illegal in both the UK and the US...I know it definately is in the US. |
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I don't promote the use of drugs although I do use weed and hallucinogenics most weekends. Like you say its out of choice and to be honest, i use them to unwind from the pressures of modern life and to forget all the bullshit I happen to see every day. I know I am not psychologically dependent on them and I can take it or leave it. |
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so now are we argueing which of the evils is acceptable and which is not? I will not enter into that argument as I feel it is completely subjective. And yes, drinking and driving is not the healthiest habit. I had a friend die because of that. So I know. Just that I am not the first person in the queue to see which of my friends is next to die. Thats all. |
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Yaba is a mad drug. Never take Yaba...it is also caled "Nazi Speed". It is a fuckin scary drug. |
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Don't they all say that? Anyways, as I keep saying like a broken record, you know best. Best of luck to you. Stay safe. |
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I understand the concern you have for the topic in question, and like I say I DONT personally think what I do is right, but everyone has their own way of doing things. Some use drugs for socialising, some for screwing the government out of benefit money (especially in the town I live in) and some just use them for filling in the holes that people make in you. Especially girlfriends. ; / |
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no, not arguing which of the evils is acceptable or not - or whatever. didn't mean to come off so abrasive. you say u don't support what you understand - but you would support your friends jumping off a plane (which you don't understand?) ... seems like strange reasoning?? couldn't help myself. i'll leave it at this .. i don't really care either way - hope not to have offended you. =^..^= |
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Not at al, you have not offended me at alll...what I meant was that individuals have their own rights, and I am never going to stand in the way of their rights. I would however try my best to tell them why I feel it could go wrong. And why it would matter to ME if it went wrong. And that is what I am trying to do here as well. And even after my explanations, they feel they need to do something..I really cannot and more importantly...WILL not stop them. |
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And dude, beleive me...this world and life is a lot more beautiful and richer than any girl/boy anywhere can ever take away from it. The world wills you to live....the question is...'do YOU will yourself to live?' much sympathy...*hugs* |
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As far as i know you don't mix GHB (is it GHB or GBH?) with alcohol at all cause its a substitute. It is supposed to give the same effect as alcohol but without the hangover. |
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I'd rather get addicted to takin acid dope opium and speed than get addicted to tv or consumerism |
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alcohol use worries me the most as well. whether people claim they can handle it or not, it's still dangerous because it's one of the most common habits. as for pot, yes its bad, so i smoke it no more than once a week and im thinkin about getting a vaporizer (the carcinogenic (sp?) smoke of it worries me). Then mushrooms, i dont even want to classify those as drugs, regardless of the effects. tryptamines and alkaloids are found in everything we eat. stay safe? stop eating junk food and go the gym. |
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One just not justify or invalidate the other. Active dissent against TV and consumerism might destroy them. Active use of drugs will destroy you. Consumerism and TV will go on if you are dead. You need to stay alive to fight them. So once again...the two are mutually exclusive. and you broke the 10,000 points limit. kewl. *bows* |
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Do what I want |
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I know, but a lot of anti-drug people are couch-potatoes who have no life |
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Was that supposed to imply something? |
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Why would we do something so dangerous? BECAUSE IT FEELS GOOD - heroin addicts wouldn't exist if for the fact that heroin makes you cum inside. They don't take it to waste away and die... jeez what a dumb fucking question. |
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oh, sorry, not at all!! I didn't mean you!! |
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GHB affects GABA receptors, which barbituates, alcohol and benzo's to name but a few affect [correlating to the 3 sub-types of receptors]. all "depress" the central nervous system (CNS) ... if you mix substances like alcohol and benzo's, the effect doesn't add arithmetically - ie. its more, and thus difficult to gauge the effect. depressing the CNS can (if sever enough) be dangerous/life threatening - as it can arrest respiration |
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gee...'cause for a second there.... :) heh |
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Big Mac's kill people! |
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Yes they do. In more ways than one. |
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sorry dear, I was thinking of other people I've known and seen :) btw, what happened to you on slsk the other day? I know you were lagging, and I had to go so I sent you a message - I hope you didn't think I was just running out on you :) |
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arguably in some shape or form "life" can be considered a drug, in which case - the question is more just choosing between drugs. be it mindless consumerism, drug addiction, or something in between the two, or completely different ... to consider something a drug seems to presuppose a point of view that doesn't consider itself to be engaging in a drug habit? |
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interesting you should mention that. Did you watch 'Requiem For A Dream'? If not, please do. I am sure you would find that you'd agree with it quite a bit. P.S. I agree with you. You can deconstruct me as much as you want. Read Derrida before? My POV can be deconstructed as much as you want, because after all...that is all it is. "A" point of view. I may have some that agree with me. Others that don't. Yes. I do agree that my talking about this topic would imply a morally elevated standpoint. And I can see why that would tick some people off. Maybe you are right, maybe you are not. Deconstruct further. It is a grammatical exercise. Just don't doubt my intentions. |
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not at all...infact I was hoping you got my last few messages as I logged off. The connection got real bad that night...and then completely gave up. Sucky things. I should be online this evening. |
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haha .. nicely spotted. yes i've seen requiem for a dream, and read derrida. :) [you read any walter benjamin?] morally elevated - indeed ... i'm not meaning to advocate any point of view to replace yours, just pointing out the element of hypocrisy implicit in your (any) moral assertion [viva la differánce? - not even :)] |
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[you read any walter benjamin?] No. Have you read any Sassure? i'm not meaning to advocate any point of view to replace yours, just pointing out the element of hypocrisy implicit in your (any) moral assertion Isn't that why deconstruction is a lot of fun, but inherently pointless...(unless you are a grammatologist, in which case it might lead you to devise grammatical constructs that may aviod common self-deconstructive pitfalls), it serves to examine and criticise, but provide no solutions. Of course one could argue that a criticism is the starting point for a revision of opinion and that deconstruction, leads to discussion, which promotes the birth of solutions. But inherently, it is, like the Socratic method, a very frustrating enquiry device. |
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you sound like the kind of person they need at the shroomery forums. great debaters there. you'd probably enjoy the discussions. i dont see why anybody would want to respond of that latest bit of gibberish you so cunningly typed up, but i'm sure a few will anyway. |
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yep, read a bit of de sassure. you read any lacan? derrida's deconstruction is inspiring, though i wouldn't consider myself a disciple as such ... i certainly wouldn't busy myself with devising new grammatical constructs (though i don't think derrida does this?) ... Of course one could argue that a criticism is the starting point for a revision of opinion and that deconstruction, leads to discussion, which promotes the birth of solutions. sure .. it could be a revision of opinion, but if anything it's more an attempt to keep this opinion in check (ie. keep it at the level of opinion). as we learn from the matrix reloaded, there is always an anomaly - there will never be a final solution ... :) or is there? i guess we'll find out in revolutions haha... |
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Point in case. You did. Yes, I am cunning (thats the first time anybody has called me that)...but the last piece of cunning that I typed up was in response to a cunning point that was raised. Maybe you missed it. Anyways, even if people don't want to respond to the last bit that I typed...there is always the main topic of the post. Suffice to say that is a crucifiable statement in itself. Go on. Tie me up to the whipping pole, if thats what you want. I will stand by what I said. I don't want YOU getting hurt. Thats all. |
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