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maybe not idm, but whole electronic music. i just used the term idm so the whole topic would be seen. so, do you think electronic music is getting boring ? i mean in no other music style you have more room to create, there are another million things you could do. but isn't it getting boring just trough the fact that now electronic music is so easy to create ? i mean if you want to make intrumental music you have to learn something, the guitar, drums, maybe just sing. in electronic music you don't need anything... just a good ear and some ideas. then floops, reason or something and get started. what do you think ? |
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i think you're full of shit :) ofcourse its not getting bored - there's plenty of electronic music where a good ear and some ideas are not enough (tho this is the most important thing IMO) - you get to hear really nice production - if you're fed up with electronica try bands like fila brazillia for a change , you'll see what i mean but im not getting bore of it at all, there's so many wonderful albums that its a SIN to say electronic music is gettin boring!!!!! (get the new fourtet and manitoba albums!) |
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Good electronic music isn't "easy" to create. When you think of all the millions of geeks sitting in their rooms, making electronic music with their computers, you have to be pretty good to get out of the "mass". (aaah this was hard to explain in english) |
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i neber said that i think that way. just wanted to start a discussion about it. |
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i just can't understand how a dumbass like me can make music which people even like |
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ohh, i see, sorry about some words (that might seem offensive), it wasnt meant quite as i put it :) +typos all over :) its a nice discussion to start, btw! |
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its not just about the musioc, its the aquisition of music, the thrill of the hunt, finding that rare record youve been searching for months to find is a great feeling, it doesnt matter if the music on it is only as good as what u can make yourself... |
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nevermind :) |
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with electronic music you can make much more different emotions in your music, more then with confentional music i think. and its great that every moron on earth with a computer can make music and you dont have to years of training with an instrument. but you still need to have a "feeling" to make good music |
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I dunno. I guess it can be about as generic or excellent as any other genere. Rock has it's silly Bon Jovis and Bryan Adams, while it also has its Kate Bushs and Beach Boys and Beatles. Pop has its own BSB/N'Sync and people like Laura Nyro/St.Etienne. Similarly electronic music has its own share of sorry generic 'thump-a-thump-dhump' musicians and interesting guys. And the argument about not having to learn anything to make good electronic music is not true. You can take floops and make generic house/trance tracks or use primitive equipment like the SK-1 and make masterpieces like Autechre do. How you use your instruments/equipment and how you chose to redefine music has always been at the hands of the artists and never a matter of genere. So, yes, maybe electronic music can be boring. But no more so than any other form of music. And to top it all, it is a baby genere, having been in existance for a little over 30 years while other forms of music date back hundreds if not thousands of years. In such short time, a huge catalogue of amazing music already exists in 'IDM' or whatever else it is called. I feel that the best is yet to come. |
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i don't think so... making a sad song electronically is difficult i think. ans then listen to the piano songs in drukqs... |
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do you think so ? one thing i can't imagine is that electronic music will evlove further... i mean, now with satanstornade, merzbow etc. we broke the border of music and noise... |
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avant guarde music has been around vorever, all music was avant guarde at some point... |
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Well, in the 50's people thought Phil Spector had broken the limit. In the 60s they thought Jimi Hendrix and The Beatles had broken that limit. And in the 70s they thought Joni Mitchell Led Zeppelin and Kraftwerk broke that limit. In the 80s they thought Run DMC and Public Enemy and Kate Bush broke that limit. In the 90s they thought Nirvana and Liz Phair and Massive Attack and Aphex Twin broke that limit. And 3 years into the 21st century, we are also discussing the same limits. While we cannot possibly imagine what more can be done, that is why we think that nothing more can be done. There are those that think that there is still a lot more to music, and will continue to break the barriers. They will be the innovators and we will continue to see them. To say that we as humans cannot make any more interesting music is to have lost faith in the human capacity to imagine.By far, our greatest gift. I feel that we will make great music till eternity. |
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I couldn't agree more. What is avant-garde today, will be commonplace tomorrow. By extension, we must have an avant-garde tomorrow as well. There can be a middle only if there is a edge. |
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i didnt say it was easy but it is possible and you can make rythems that are impossible to make with confentional instruments |
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Yes, not to mention that future "avant garde" music will build on that and so on... in the words of DJ Food, "Perhaps most importantly, it will prepare people for the music that is to come" :) |
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Hark! Ceri the wise, speaks. :) I couldn't agree more Ceri. |
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just because we *can* push the boundarys and make more amazing music in the future, doesnt mean we *will*, sooner or later we will have got all the music we want and not make or ask for any more... |
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you know how you get these funky arse songs in your dreams that are like well futuristic house? yeah :) someday ill bring in into reality :D |
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it is not boring for me at all... but I just know idm since late 2001... so maybe I am not old enough to give an opinion I am not bored at all |
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I think that by virtue of the fact thet we are our own people and no one else's, we can each speak only for ourselves. I for one can never say that I've heard enough good music. That is like a mathematician saying that just because he knows numbers and express a number, no matter how fantastic, he knows all numbers. No mathematician knows all numbers. And no musician who knows all the notes knows all the music that can be made with them. And as long as there are musicians like them making music, there will be music lover like me to listen to them. And the cycle will never end. |
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doubt that |
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People have been saying that for years (probably centuries), new as new synthesis types are developed, previously unheard sounds will appear. Not to mention the possibilites of fusing several different genres together... Gabba-Choral-Soul music, anyone? Country and Western speedcore drum and bass, perhaps? ;) |
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wake up. go to your local record shop and listen to something new. there's loads of unheard music out there. sometimes it takes effort to find it. make the effort. |
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i know waht you guys are saying, but we will not be inventing new synths and instruments *forever* even if we want to, there will be a limit, even if we reach it in a hundred years time.... and when i said we wouldnt want to have more music i meant we wouldnt want to experiment with finding new noises, not that we wouldnt want more of what we have...a lot of people are comfortable with the music they listen to and dont want to listen to anything more experimental not because they wont like it, but coz theyt are just too happy with what they have... |
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ok rockenjohnnys opinion i have this discussion with my mate, and he reckons that there is definitely a finite amount to be achieved musically now i disagree. i think thats bollocks. the way i see it, there is infinite ground to cover creatively, across medias. |
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here here,there can be no end. |
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Well, there are those that are comfortable with music as it stands today, and there were those that were happy with the music that was made 20 years ago as well. But you can never rule out the possibility that someone will discover something musically that is unheard of. You ask me what that would be, and I could not tell you, because that would destroy the meaning of unheard. I mean if that were not the case, why did music evolve till today instead of dying out 500 years ago ? After all, there has been as much time behind us as there will be ahead of us. And anything that can happen in the future might as well have happened in the past. |
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Albert Einstein: " Endless is only the universe and human stupidity. Though i'm not sure about first one. " |
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Well, I guess we will have to take that statement with a pinch of salt then, don't we...for it implies that there is a limit to the knowledge that the person making that statement has as well. After all, the universe, Albert Einstein ain't. |
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Derrida would be pleased with that quote. |
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i don't agree with him. but the quote is quite cool. |
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anyone else want to join the discussion ? |
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idm does not exist |
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Thus spake the nihilist. |
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Ok bad joke. I wonder if any one got it. *looks around suspiciously and sneaks away* |
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i heard that once you listen to idm you can't listen to other music or your organs melt jesus, FREEYRMIND YALL |
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Nacmat wrote: "it is not boring for me at all... but I just know idm since late 2001... so maybe I am not old enough to give an opinion I am not bored at all" Oh, I must say I envy you - you have so much to explore! Myself I have been into electronic music since 1983 (Dicovering Howard Jones when I was 9) and now I must say I?m getting really bored... Clicks & cuts was a bit exciting for a moment, but it didn?t last long... Nowadays I?m finding more interesting stuff in modern composers and in some more avant garde "sound art"-stuff... But it?s hard to be impressed by anything :(, since so little is new and interesting (but it?s great when it happens!) |
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stop whining. |
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qrter - yup, why bother? "do you want cheese with that whine" :D |
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no, but some idm arrtists surre arre. aphex twin forr example, ae forr example (in my opinion) |
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How can electronic music ever get boring? There is no limit to the types of sounds you can create...a good electronic artist would create a rock track that would sound no different to if an 8 member band were playing it. While there is music there will always be electronic music. |
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oh not you specifically. all of us. every 2 weeks someone starts whining about how "idm" (whatever the hell that is) is getting slack, boring or whatever. it's such a profoundly boring way to think about the music you chose to listen to. listen to what you like, who cares how the genre is functioning. |
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what a STUPID question. how can a style of music get boring? it's you, the listener, who has grown bored, probably because your dumb asses play it too much! try a little variety in your music listening habits. believe it or not, there are lots of great styles of music within and without electronic music. |
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maybe if it's all you listen to, and you do constantly. but thats called getting burnt out. |
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I think the problem may be that is people expect electronic music to be continuously pushing the boundaries at a regular basis, even though it is no longer a new genre and can't sprout off into so many new directions in such a short amount of time. I don't think the original question should be completely pointed at electronic music. I remember Pink Floyd were asked back in 1993 if they thought rock music has had its day. I usually feel like slapping people that say; "There are only 12 notes, how many combinations can there be?". I find that this is usually justification for just riding the wave. I do, however, wonder if there is a limit to the actual sounds that can be produced, without being a variation on a similar theme. But this probably has to do with my lack of understanding in the technical side of sounds. |
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If you hadn't said it, I was going to. |
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you can count on me to tell people here what they don't want to hear, and in a way that slaps the shit out of them but makes them hate me for my bluntness. whatever, as long as i get my point across i could give a damn about people so insecure as to be offended by truth. |
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indeed mate - depends what the listner feels are the parameters as well - i'd say timbaland and the neptunes are pretty smart and electronic music or loads of garage, ragga and techno i hear - if you mean clever instruemental listening electronica that youcan't dance too -then yes I think ther is a little too much of it and like most music only the stuff made with heart, skill and character stands out |
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