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if you need to understand the technical side of music i think yu're better off listening to some chin scartchy show off technique music like yngwie malmsteen or prog rock to be honest - |
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well, as soon as something becomes a fashion, you have to watch out... and i would say that to some extent, "idm" HAS. |
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what exactly do you have to watch out for? is ther music going to change just by getting more exposure ? if anything i'd say it's lost alot of popularity as people chase real rock like the white stripes etc what a silly stuck up statement ! |
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idm has?? how many idm gigs you attended? it deserves much more popularity IMO |
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yeah alll i see in the nme is this months venetian snares or lo recordings release - just so much exposure ;) |
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arnold schoenberg once said "there's still plenty of music left to be written in the key of C" music isn't about progression, it's about enlightenment and illumination of the self, a chance to live as Nature lives. as long as we have 'selves', we'll have music. so the trick i suppose is to give attention to the music instead of the methods used to produce it, hm? |
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schoenburg had his mission but popular music reacts to the populus soit's not really all about "the self" anyway - he was probably writing that around the time of concentration in those kind of ideas (when freud was fashionable etc) so they make less sense nowdays - they're very modern ideas - that venerate the myth of original thought and ignore outside influences and understanding - pop music reacts to past pop etc - it's vey now now now - or iwith alot of music now it's more brand new your retro |
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you have to watch out that it doesn't become stagnant or formulated. which most things do at some point (flux, that is) tolstoyed: you're right, it DOES deserve alot more popularity. popularity isn't the issue. formula is, at least for me. i just hope "idm" doesn't become contrived. |
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iwouldn't worry things mutate endlessley - |
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yes but then we'd be discussing the difference between genres and aesthetics, not whether music can "get boring" :) |
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a whole genre can never be contrived, even if it does have conventions people like myself can easily attribute to it as a whole (see my essay on "IDM"). it's only individual artists who can make their music contrived, and i can't stress enough that it's their music, not "IDM." |
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what does contrived mean in this context? |
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yes it probably need not be said, regardless of "ism" or genre, that music relates to us on a very subjective and individual basis. limitations we put on music are exactly that: limitations WE put on something. as long as there are creators, there will be exciting things happening to music. |
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yeah, but for every great leap forward, you also have a bunch of people trying to do what was cutting edge ten steps back. and craque is right, to some extent... music isn't always about being mind-blowing. it's more about content and quality. but think about goth culture. before manson, before all this neo-goth stuff there was souixsie, the cure, bauhaus, joy division and stuff like that. but eventually a newer, weaker strain came up in it's place. i guess i'm just saying i'm orried about the next-generation "idm" artists. us, or the peopel after. |
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it's the same with punk. industrial. etc... i just hope this artform can remain pure, in the sense that it can stay strong. |
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fact is idm is a genre named by mags whoneeded to pigeon hole it - and there are loads of subgenres in it as well - glitch, drill and bass, microhose etc - i'm sure arttists don't think - shall i make some idm now ? |
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i hope it doesn't remain pure at all! |
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my opinion: it stays strong because of the music and musicians, not because of its definition or form. miles davis didn't play blue note bebop jazz his whole life, and i doubt autechre will make the same kind of music for their existence. neither will any of us. which may seem fatalistic or existential or bla bla bla bla... just shut up and listen, right? right. enjoy the music. pass the bowl. ;) |
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im not worried as long as rdj continues to make music he's getting a lot of attention, but he totally deserves it - 90 % of his music is totally mind blowing and im enjoying what he's doing live a great deal (i might be going to barcelona just to see him again, its just brilliant...) |
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Familiarity breeds contempt. Electronic music as a genre can never get boring, no music can ever get boring. Rather, it is the listener who becomes bored with what they are listening to. It's easily done though. There are times when I can't bear to listen to Autechre, Boards Of Canada, Plaid, Markant etc because I've simply been listening to it too much. It's important to have variety in what you listen to. If all you listen to is IDM you'll get sick of it sooner or later. The same applies to musicians too. If you're opening up to other styles of music and letting them influence your own, your music is evolving and taking your genre forward. |
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"My first motivation for creating sound was anti-use of electric equipment-Broken tape recorder, broken guitar, amp etc. I thought I could get a secret voice from equipment itself when I lost control. That sound is unconsciousness, libido of equipment. Then I tried to control them with more powerful process." Masami Akita |
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Not getting boring for me... it's more of a side project for me though, I rock and I roll, with a healthy helping of IDM on the side. There's tons of good stuff I've heard about on here that I'm slowly discovering at a comfy speed, I don't listen to ''too much IDM''... I listen to just enough. |
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"and craque is right, to some extent... music isn't always about being mind-blowing. it's more about content and quality. " - the problem is that content and quality is not always getting better |
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everybody should put their electrofunk and digitized cerebral landscapes away and kick it to some steve earl for a few days. |
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you can count on me to tell people here what they don't want to hear, and in a way that slaps the shit out of them but makes them hate me for my bluntness. whatever, as long as i get my point across i could give a damn about people so insecure as to be offended by truth. Hokay - but what about the truth that lots of people are fed up with idm/glitch/electronica like 1999/2000 state of the art sounding stuff? I know I am. And there hasn't been a whole heck of a lot coming from "electronica" musicians lately that's impressed me. Too much stuff is just retreads of the aforementioned glitch shit. My god, my status says "lurker" - I better start spamming! How 'bout a "how fresh are your underwear" thread? |
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O wait, now I'm a "regular". Phew. |
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otter vern schereck's GLAAAAAAMOROUS chopped zombie fungus trilogy isn't boring. |
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as is most of Schematic's output. |
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so you actually listen to a 'genre' as opposed to music on its own? I really don't understand this way of thinking. |
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I think electronic music as a whole as getting more exciting. however, if you're talking purely about IDM, then i think it is perhaps, while not getting boring, it is perhaps becoming a little predictable. i think the last aphex twin, squarepusher, and AE albums were all a little disappointing to be honest. while Draft is a good album compared to most, it's the first album i feel that they didn't advance musically. Same goes for Do you know squarepusher. actually DYKS could do with some fucking tunes too I wonder sometimes if we all have too high expectations on most IDM artists to come out with increasingly impressive music? Did i just contradict myself??? |
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"i guess i'm just saying i'm orried about the next-generation "idm" artists. us, or the peopel after." -tibbar for my paper i wrote about "idm" mark bell (lfo, producer) said he's really excited about music people like us make cos it's influenced by so many other styles (he used venetian snares, bruce springsteen, and dolly parton as examples). i tend to side with him; if people like mogwai and radiohead can still do exciting things w/ rock nearly 60 years after people started making it then why would "idm" be doomed after only 10 years? |
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as i said, it's not up to the music to fit the listener's pre-conceptions. some of my favorite electronica albums have come out since 1999. i don't listen to any one album or artist all of the time, so while i can understand that "growing bored" feeling i can't relate to it personally. just balance it out with other stuff is my advice. i don't think there's anything less creative going on now than there was 10 years ago; in fact i think it's a hell of a lot more creative now, with all the different influences and all the corners of the globe that now "churn out" (to poke fun at this "over processed" complaint some of you have) this style of music (with their own individual and regional spin, of course). |
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it will only get boring if you get bored of it.. music is like painting ..it "dies" every 30 years or so, and has ever since it was invented.. yet somehow it keeps "coming back" music will never go away, tons of it is being made on a daily basis by creative people... so there will always be something new to listen to.. which is why you should listen to titsworth's advice and expand your horizons and listen to something outside the brackets of "idm" theres actually quite a bit of music out there these days that incorporates a lot of things from experimental electronic music that wouldnt be filed under 'idm' ..aand you'll also find that most of these artists making 'idm' arent really influenced by electronic music.. boc admit to being way more into psychedelic rock and shoegaze, autechre are hip hoppers, squarepusher with his old dub and jungle and fusion jazz, and prefuse73's first love is the prefusion jazz of his namesake.. |
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word! |
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street knowledge! |
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Yes, very well said - but it looks to me like electronic music is in "die" mode. It's fucking inbred! You mention artists who are inspired by non-electronic sources, but most of the stuff out there is inspired by them, and by others inspired by them in an endless bedroom laptop circlejerk. ... waiting for the dead to be buried so they can rise again... |
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actually astrid-gil-botn, nme have reviewed 2 vsnares albums (Higgins and 2370894), the Defluxion single, and him live once... still hate the fuckers with a passion though. I haven't read to the end of this thread, but this is a really interesting discussion at least as far as 'is the amount of music ground that can be covered finite or not?'... for a start, i hate genres (y'know those techno geeks who go 'oh it's detroit minimal drexciyan-stlye techno crossed with the synth patterns of armin van buuren, or whatever...) but they are, at the end of the day, useful - odious a term as 'idm' actually is. personally i think there's an infinite amount of ground to cover. Between cross-fertilization of genres (i mean the snares man has basically done gabba jazz in places ffs), and gradual introduction of new styles of music (merzbow has quite a large following considering what he does), there will always be sufficiently new influences for musicians to pluck ideas from. Like someone said somewhere, The Beatles were using everything from Philly Soul to Musique Concrete as influences. Radiohead are a good modern analogue of this - they're quite brave in this context too. Oh and hello, I normally lurk :D |
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>tolstoyed: you're right, it DOES >deserve alot more >popularity. popularity isn't the issue. >formula is, at least >for me. i just hope "idm" doesn't >become contrived. it already *is* contrived... everybody and his aunt, including madonna for one, is using those cool destroyfx buffer override effects and glitches and shit. I'm thinking of that 'Don't tell me' tune that Mirwais did with her... it's like a watered-down Oval or something |
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It' evolving pop oval, it's not bad or something to be sneered at. If I was 8 and a half and I heard that I'd feel brilliant! |
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Yeah, it's a great tune actually, don't get me wrong, but like it signifies that like any other genre, the lines are being blurred between our oh-so-sacred 'idm' and oh-so-dirty 'pop'... this is inevitable, i mean you got pop rock, smooth jazz, whatever. genres are silly. |
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idm isn't getting boring... you may get bored of it sometimes though... I do... and when I do I listen to other music... the good thing about music is that there are so many styles and types out there, that there is something for every mood! |
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I agree. |
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once you label something it becomes boring the best music (and I think the hope for music's future) is hybrid music that transcends one particular style and isn't afraid to blend genres like electronic indie hiphop! |
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step back, there's a bigger picture at stake here. remember electronic music has been around for almost a century now. i doubt musicians who are really into this for making music give two shits whether they're pushing musical boundaries or not. i suspect the question that REALLY needs asking here is why more uniquely creative music isn't getting *published*, because that's what everyone seems to be referencing... published music. And some people (myself included) are more interested in improvised music and tapping the intuition in performance. So here, how can we even critique the sounds when they are improvised? How can you place "aesthetic judgement" on something which happens live, once, and in the span of a moment of living through the music? ...where even the sounds are captured for the first time in performance, and the structure is defined by the ability of the improvising performer? I think it then becomes both a much more immediate and at the same time very distant (re: "big picture") evaluation of what's going on musically. |
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"How can you place 'aesthetic judgement' on something which happens live, once, and in the span of a moment of living through the music?" you can't... that's why unique music is invaluable, while reproduced, regurgitated, formulaic "music" is utterly irrelevant to anyone with half a mind for unusual, original music. there are lots of great styles of music within and without electronic music. there's also a whole lot of vapid filler sorry, but it's true.. not all music is inherently worthwhile |
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we are idm. if we're doing alright, idms gonna be doing alright. |
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At these little events that happen locally called ‘small black box’, there are bands (mostly unsigned) who do experimental electronic noise and etc... Usually they are brilliant using crazy things to get noises / loops and etc… We had this bigger budget band / project do a performance there a few months back who wrote all their own programs in open source (I believe) and had it rigged up so that video created sound that then processed video again and became this loop where it was honestly impossible to know where one began and the other ended. Every time I go there it blows me away… these guys obviously aren’t bored with what they’re doing, and neither is the audience. I’m hearing stuff there that I’ve never thought of or heard before… |
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You misunderstood me. The basic idea to my long overwritten post was that, in my opinion, music is never ending, but the sounds used to produce it have probably reached their peak. And if I wanted to understand the technical side of music (which I already do) I would be better off reading a few books. |
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shuuuuuuuuuut uuuuuuuup! anyone who describes the music they like as ..what? i d m??... fuck off! fine, electronica is a longer word, but come on..... please, have the decency. We must put an end to this journalist/media created word that is so terrible!!!!!! |
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oh and to cap it off, i still listen to garage so i have no complaints really :) <- ps dig my hair by autechre. i finally got it shaved off. |
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