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I have been listening to his music over the last couple of days. Although it isn't bad, I think it is long winded and for 'dark ambient' lacks emotion and sounds a bit sterile. He has the ego to be great, but has he really got the talent? This isn't meant to be a bash Zues thread, and I don't want it to become one...all I am asking is does he take himself to seriously to ever be truely successful? |
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yes. the sounds he uses are nothing special, nor are the melodies. the production is good, the material is unoriginal. |
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I know he is some sort of music student and he does take it seriously. I think he is looking to do it professionally as a career. |
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Of course he takes himself seriously, what kind of question is that and if this is not a bash Zeus thread then you should have spoke to him about it |
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ah, but you have taking yourself seriously and almost screaming to other people you are taking yourself seriously and you have taking yourself seriously just for yourself. |
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So long as this is "constructive criticism" and not "LOL, Zeus makes shit music. HE suxxors!!!1!" I have no problem with it. It's discussion of an artist's work, no different to RDJ or M-ziq's- I'm sure I might of hurt some real artists here's feelings by posting my opinion- why should "aspiring" musicians have it any easier? It might be worth emailing him or posting a link to it from WATMM. |
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I've talked to Zeus quite a bit. He's a pretty down to earth guy, not as full of himself as everyone makes him out to be. He is ambitious about his music, nothing wrong with that. |
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What the fuck is with the attitude? Firstly I never asked if he took it seriously...the question I was asking is whether he takes to too seriously to let his own personality come through on the tracks he makes. Secondly, the fact I bothered to listen to his stuff and try to get people discussing it shows that I think he has talent. Am I to assume everytime you have a negative point to make about someone, you always ask them if it is OK first? Personally if I was at the stage that someone I didn't know starting asking questions about my music I would be pretty happy, provided the comment where constructive which is what I attempted to be. |
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Yes, that's why this thread is fine IMO. If people slag off my music I don't get wound up, so long as they're making constructive criticism and not just being unkind for the sake of it. |
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even if people are just unkind - why would you care? if people say something shitty about my stuff I don't take their comments seriously. |
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He's got the energy and drive for it. Everyone can stand some improvment, though. |
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I wouldn't, but I'm thick skinned... some people are more sensetive though. You're right though, the mature thing to do with people like that is to ignore them... if what they're saying is so untrue (and if it's not, why is it upsetting you?) it should be easy to ignore. |
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exactly. also consider that you're putting your music on the internet - anybody can d/l it, so anybody can have an opinion. thats the reality of letting other people listen to your stuff. |
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Anyway, back to the original matter of the thread, I would agree that he has the drive/ego (not in a bad way)/ambition to succeed once his music develops. At the moment it is a little sterile and "empty" even if it is well produced. I don't mean to sound unkind, but it lacks "soul", I don't mean it comes off as too electronic, but that it doesn't convey emotion, at least not to me. Some incredibly minimal electronic is very good at evoking feelings. For me, Millionaire Dogs by LFO has great depth of feeling to it, despite it's lack of actual content. My advice to Zeus would be perhaps don't polish your tracks so highly- leave in the odd glitch, let the synth be detuned a notch- it makes it that much more human and accessible. |
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Yes, it does seem childish to put music available for public consumption then complain when not all the feedback is positive... (not having ago at Zeus here, I'm actualy thinking of someone else...) Back to Zeus: Anyone seen his video (on his zebox site?) A step in the right direction I feel... The slow trippy camerawork worked well with the synth. If the glitchy graphics had been done at times when the drums came in (and the drums were a bit quicker) I would really like this. |
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Actually the video is very good. The track wasn't bad either =) I think he is in a very good position. He doesn't have to work harder to make it to the next level, he just needs to relax a little bit and let the track flow naturally :D |
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who writes this shit? nerdy bitches on speed? |
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What, these posts or Zeus' music? |
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not the music i mean |
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Good, because for a second I thought your comment was one of those "LOL, Zeus makes shit music. HE suxxors!!!1!" comments I talked about earlier in the thread.... What do you have a problem with? The fact we're discussing his music or that we're criticising it (in a literal sense- we're critiquing it- there are positive comments here...) |
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i dunno really |
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how do you post so quickly |
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I'm a moderatley fast typist. It comes form spending 12 hours a day + at a PC :) |
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i've only heard a couple of Kcinsu trax. very much along the lines of Aphex's SAW2 imo. |
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Your a moderator moderately fast typist don't you mean? :P |
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Let me first say, thanks for keeping the discussion civil. When I saw the thread name, I was hesitant to even look inside... because in the past, threads with my name on it, meant bad things... Regarding my music: I am content with my music. Every song I write, is a step closer to where I want to be. Am I anywhere near it? No. I have SO much to learn, and to develop. I recently chucked out almost my entire albums worth of songs, which I was gonna get pressed, because I decided in the end, that they were not good enough, and I feel I can do better. Im 19. With the exception of Aphex (who I consider a genius, in the literal sense) not many people are successful, and masters at their craft at this age. I have an entire lifetime of improving to do. Even if I get signed, and release CDs, Im still not going to be satisfied. Any musician will tell you, that they are always learning and growing, even into the age of like 70. Regarding my ego: I personally dont think I have an ego. If anything im very critical of myself. Sure, there have been times where I may have been enthused about a track I did, and was proud... but anyone who writes music, knows what thats like. For a few days after, you are on a high, where you think the song rocks, and you are so proud of yourself. Then a few more days go by, and you notice something you dont like. Its no longer amazing. You see all the little faults. This is even more apparent when you look back at your music over the course of years. The stuff I was doing 3 years ago, is utter shit in comparison. In 3 years, this current stuff will be shit too. Anyone who makes music should know what I mean. |
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So, I really dont think its fair to say, that I think im great. I dont. does it mean I totally suck? no. It means I realize I have along way to go, and Im going to work at it. If at any point, ive come across as arrogent, im sorry. Perhaps it was miscommunication, or perhaps for a moment, I was acting arrogant (seriously... can any of you say you've never acted arrogant about something before?) Im a person. I make mistakes. So, im sure there have been times, where I said things in a heat rage, and just wasn't the right thing to say. But what really gets me, is how people have just universally branded me as some arrogant egotistical bastard... when I sit around and read posts by other members (and often times, those who are throwing the stones) and I cant see how everyone else doesn't think that THEY are arrogant. I wont get into specifics here... but really, I believe I am far from the most arrogent person on this MB. Note about the video: I didn't make it. A guy on here named wildrover (havnt seen him on lately) made it. He liked my song, and asked if he could make a video. (That is not me in the video... its him, although it looks freakishly like me). It is kind of funny, because I do get people telling me that my music is kind of cold and emotionless, while I get other people who think its very emotional, and moving. I cant please everyone. The only person I can try to please is me. And thats what im doing. Its great, and refreshing, if people enjoy my music, but in the end im going to follow what I think is right, even if it means never releasing my music. |
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As of late, my music has become much more experimental, and "unaccesable". Some people might think it lacks in emotion, while, it may be that they just arnt able to get the emotions from that kind of music. And Im not trying to sound condescending here... with the whole "you dont get it". Im just saying... some people like Country Music for example. Girls will cry along to it, cause it hits a spark inside of them. Personal, I find Country Music boring, and it would never do anything for me. It doesn't mean that the girl who likes country music is wrong... or that Im right... it just means, different people get spoken to different ways. Anyways, I kind of lost my train of thought... I appreciate you listening to my tracks. If you like my music, that really makes me happy. It means people are relating to me. If you dont like my music, well, Im sorry. What else do you want me to say? If anyone wants to talk to me directly, my email is kcinsu@kcinsu.com , or my AOL name is ZeusSPQR. Seeing as my account is not active, I have to ask friends to post my messages... so if I dont post a reply soon, its because no one is around to help me out! Thanks again, Zeus. |
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zeus requested that i post the above 3 messages, cheers. |
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=) |
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It's weird, Zeus and I get along quite well and I think we both respect each others' stytles and skills etc but the way we go about music is almost COMPLETELY opposite! He has a lot of drive and energy about his muisc and he takes it seriously which I admire. To some people he can seem a little full on but I think him taking making music seriously is a great thing - people gotta really WANT to do soemthing, y'know? I'm kind of the opposite, never bother taking lessons, just fucking around.....which is why I predict he'll go a lot further than I will, coz he's got the WANT for it, which I fucking respect. end of story. |
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Everyone has an ego...and as a couple of us stated that is not a bad thing because without an ego you wouldn't have the drive to succeed. In the past, in my opinion, you haven't accepted constructive criticism from people and became very defensive...that could be misinterpreted as arrogance but I just thought you were proud of what you had done and didn't like to here negative comments (which all of us are guilty of). As of late, my music has become much more experimental, and "unaccesable". you should never judge yourself on whether something is accessible, and this is the type of stuff I would really be interested in hearing. |
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2nd qter. in reply to zeus' posts (partly): i like a lot of my very early simple music ... and i imagine i will continue to do so in 3 years time. |
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Yo! Everybody shake your pants! w00t! |
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"If you dont like my music, well, Im sorry. What else do you want me to say?" you could've kept it at that. because that is what it boils down to. |
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Fuck me, Zeus' stuff is soulless. It genuinely makes me feel uncomfortable how utterly devoid of emotion it is. I'm completely serious when I say I have heard generative art that sounds more human than his stuff. It's like he sold his soul to the devil in exchange for moderately good production and can't put any feeling into tracks. |
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and wheres your stuff? |
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i never heard any of his stuff never had anything against him when he was around though think he's a nice guy |
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What, if you don't make music you're not allowed to comment on other peoples? No matter how I felt about Zeus as a person I listened to his tracks (in fact I was listening at his constant request before he started getting on my tits). There was just nothing there that I liked. Simple as. Maybe not for me. |
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you told me it was better than plaid and you'd burnt it onto cd to listen to in your car |
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aha! I can tell you're fibbing because someone like Yavo couldn't possibly own a car! They wouldn't let him! :P |
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ouch |
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*shakes Jar to help him snap out of the rage he is in...* |
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Pillow talk should never be taken as the gospel truth, dobbin ;) |
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I've not considered any tracks I've made good enough to make public. If you want to hear one of my compositions then visit giginger.co.uk There's a midi of my A-Level composition. |
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I kind of contradicted myself there. The track on there is called Pandoras box. It's not electronic. I've made a couple of electronicc tracks and wasn't that happy with the outcome. They lacked something. Separate parts were fine but together they were shit. |
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