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Who here agrees that all Xltronic members who enter into this remix contest should, immediately upon submitting their 2 remixes, lose eligibility in the voting process, so as to avoid the inevitable bias that comes with being an active participant and arbiter? I certainly do. I see no reason why anyone who knows the composer of any work in the contest should be allowed to vote. It should also be known that all participants can create new accounts and submit 4, 6, 8 +etc remixes, making the policies adopted by the administators at this board blatently fallible. Also, all those who are working on remixes for this contest should state their names here, and whether they are for or against the voting privilage for those participating in this contest. Do this so that Phobiazero etc. know that there will be more than enough people willing to vote on this that are not music makers. |
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yea agree there. word up. and a bump while we're at it. |
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didn't realize we got to vote. how do we hear em? |
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i'm submitting a mix i see where you are coming from and if need be i don't care if i get to vote. i dont think though that creating extra accounts to submit more songs will be much of a problem. i think this because, how many QUALITY tracks can one person come up with in under a month's time? its taken me 2 weeks to get to where i am with my ONE track and i still don't consider it finished. however creating extra accounts for making extra votes seems like it could be a problem. also, how do we know that the admin/crew aren't being biased picking the 15 quality tracks? are the tracks annonymous to them when they choose? and maybe this is an obvious question, but do the crew get to submit tracks? |
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that would be a huge problem.. I dont need more than a few hours to come up w/ the basis for a track.. one person has the potential to create 16 tracks.. all 15 could be chosen by the "people" (8 of those people being himself) and the 16th could be chosen by autechre.. it's not probable, but it is possible; and it shouldnt be |
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I am not submitting shit. Lack of motovation. I'll vote for you all! Everyone is tied for first therefore everyone gets legofeet! Yay! :D |
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Interesting gesture Theodore. You bring up some good points. However, I do believe that those who spend time and effort manipulating the system in place are doing so out of fear of inadequacies, and that these actions are a sign of the shortcomings in their skill. In otherwords, the people signing up for multiple accounts would have no chance of winning anyway. With that said, again, I think you bring up some good points. An I'll play by whatever rules put in place by the administration. I am remixing a track. |
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I agree with that, though the option to cheat is not one exclusive to the inept. some might consider gaining an edge over those who might choose dishonest ways of competing in addition to everyone else involved. like "well, remix one and two are pretty much my strongest.. but since these other kids have about 90 accounts each, why don't I set up another just in case remixes three and four might strike certain people a different way" keep this up top. I want to compile a list of all those participating |
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i agree, the song writers should have no say in who wins, at all. |
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good points, im gonna try and enter 1 track, if i manage to get it finished, dont fancy my chances much but hey ho there u go. I gotta echo whats already been said... i find it hard to beleive and highly irritating that some1 can come up with more than 2 decent tracks within a month, altho its quite feasable they could take an old track and 'mix in' a few ae samples, i know i considered it and im sure others have too. |
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how would you stop people privatly emailing their friends to join and vote for them? 8) |
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lets discuss various ways to cheat just in case people hadnt thought of them already |
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lets..... |
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how about.....making a really great track that bypasses the voting system as it is actually really good and Ae will pick it? |
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What, you mean doing a remix that's so good ae will have to choose it, sticking to the rules and not complaining about newcomers!?? Isn't that immoral or something? |
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It sounds nuts but it could work......It does go against everything I love and cherish but who cares? I'll do it again if I have to! |
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the friend emailed still may choose another track.. whereas it's highly unlikely that one with his eyes on the prize should vote for someone else |
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i agree... i am also submitting 2 x tracks to this contest. |
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up top goddamnit. |
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I already finished one, and hopefully will do another. I'm pretty sure "selected members of the crew" are already the designated voters. None of us commonfolk can take part in such complex political events. What if ophecks is a voter though? Then the track that sounds most like the beatles will win? Poor autechre... |
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everyone is voting in this according to phobiazero |
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tottaly agree i'll make one or two tracks, probably one when i can be arsed =) |
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i think that "the selected members of the crew" picks the top15 and then everybody can vote on those. |
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no.. because the 'people's choice' is determined by xltronic voter participation the top 15 is based on that.. either way though, nothing should be left up to the artists to determine |
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If you take all the people who are doing a remix out of the vote, you'll have about 4 people left and one of them (me) doesn't even like ae. |
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but possibly you'll like one of the literally THOUSANDS of remixes.. |
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not only is that completely unfounded, but common sense would tell you that not every single autechre fan here is a musician and furthermore that not every musician/autechre fan is entering into this contest. even with that group removed from the voting process, there are plenty of people here who know autechre well enough and are interested in hearing fan contributions.. and those who don't like autechre, I'm sure, have discerning musical tastes and preferences (hence their being at this site) that would make them relative experts or at least reasonably knowledgable of this music whereby they could choose a favorite from the pool of submissions |
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Perhaps only allow members who signed in *before* the contest take part? |
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well what if you submit and then want to vote for someone else.... i know i would |
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ceri I see that. but as much as that would be good for me and other participants, limiting the competition that is, I'd feel bad barring anyone from an opportunity this rare and this great. it is annoying that some people's time spent at xltronic will span from the contest's announcement to its conclusion, but no one should exclude any fans or ambitious up-and-comers from something like this. but ceri, as a moderator do you know specifically how the voting is going to work? where the mp3s will be hosted, and whether there is an initial, xlt crew vote to determine the 15 choices, then a subsequent vote to crown the best of the 15 by the rest of the board? if you're on aim right now im me tho.. theorq31 |
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I'm not on aim at the moment. I know what the planned procedure is, but I won't say anything as I'm sure Phob will post the procedure when it is all definate and the time is right. |
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go on aim |
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whatever, it's obviously going to be a fix anyway |
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I didn't say that, someone hacked my account |
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Stop lying! |
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It was you, you've just changed your avatar so many times now you've confused yourself silly ! 8op |
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Can't go on AIM, at work... won't be on it till next week. |
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icq .. anything like that? |
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No chat allowed in work... email me (see my account) if you want to discuss something. |
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by the way.. if you haven't noticed.. following the rationale that most are using to counter the 'multiple accounts = multiple remix entries' concern.. that being that should one have the ability to submit more than two tracks, the likeliness of thier success in this competition is immediately limited ..(an inverse correlation between amount of submissions and their chances of winning either or both prizes).. then why should there be a limit on the amount of allowable remix submissions to begin with? after all, if one chooses to spend the same amount of time on 4 or 5 remixes that another participant spends on 1 or 2 remixes, the chances of the latter participant are far greater than those of the former. so, if one chooses to damn himself by producing more than 2, he should be allowed to as it would increase the chances of those whose focus was primarily focused on a lesser amount of tracks. eh? |
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Since there'll be so many remixes, eventually the voters will play only 1/4 of the track to determine if it sucks or not. I can usually tell if I like it by then anyway. |
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i agree |
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i agree with that too |
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yeh thats a good idea |
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hey, thought i'd chime in a bit... i submitted 1 track for the remix comp, but im still looking forward to the voting.. so i really hope im not immediately disqualified from that... maybe if only the top 15 people werent allowed to vote, or they just werent allowed to vote for themselves... since i was under the impression that "Xltronic will pick the Top 15 tracks in aspect of quality. Tracks not qualified into the Top 15 will be available for download after the contest has ended" meant that certain xltronic members would pick the top 15 members and then only those would be available to download and vote on... correct me if im wrong tho... oh ya and who's to say that a person cant write 5 good tracks in a month? i know that if i had enough free time i'd be capable... |
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cum |
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[growl] |
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