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i finally RECEIVED my 2nd Coil disc, i've ordered 3 over 3 months ago.......so slowly but shirley i'm getting them!!!! anyhoo......Musick to Play in the Dark 2 is simply another masterpiece of nightime moody moosiq...... sooooo impressive, i'm very disappointed that Coil Cd's are not more available since they are SO AWESOME! *looks around and wonders* |
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i enjoyed love's secrete domain. and while we're on the topic, i hope someone tells them to tour in toronto! |
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oops, secret, not secrete |
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I told you! I told everyone!! Give ME credit!!! That cd is celestial! It's a sacred pearl not meant for mortal consumption! Send it back! Throw it into the ocean! BURN IT!! Aiiiiiieeee!!!!! |
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coil's allright |
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"Pay your respects to the vultures for they are your future" |
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Saw him at ATP, watched for 5 mins then left as he just seemed to be doing a poor stand up comedy routine over the top of minimal electronic noises. :/ |
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Who? What did he say? |
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"him"? something tells me coil wasn't quite right for you anyway... |
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eh that came off meaner than i intended. coil are fundamentally a duo, with a revolving cast of collaborators. john balance (aka jhon balance... *cough*) often does spoken word and singing during their tracks, it's not to everyone's liking but a lot of us enjoy it. as you might've guessed after seeing them 5 minutes john has a bit of a drinking problem. still. |
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im sorry to say this, knowing some of you like coil and all, but they DEFINITELY hit their zenith like over ten years ago... i bought mtpitd 1 AND 2 (didnt learn my lesson after the first one) and i sold them in a week or so. the equinox/solstice collection ALSO let me down big time... their outpuit in general has always been a 50/50 affair. i think their highlights are: * black light district (wasnt this supposed to be part one of a series? so much for "jhon"s big concepts) * worship the glitch (even though, it sounds a bit dated by now, halliwell hammers is still good) *20' to 2000 (the best 20 minutes they have written in about 8 years) *love's secret domain (not all of it. just the denser stuff i can get my teeth into. stuff like the snow just detracts from the overall flow, for me) |
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your opinion is about as authoratative as someone saying afx hit his stride w/ the rdj album, nin w/ the downward spiral, autechre w/ lp5, etc.. people like different stuff, and some of us coil fans like all of their many types of music. |
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well, actually now that you mention it.... nin DID hit their stride with downward spiral... fragile was trite. he coulda condensed that whole thing down to an ep. |
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but hey, what do I KNOW?????? you're the authority here, right? |
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hey what's the name of the little blue guy in your avatar... i forgot |
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no i believe my point is that people have a right to like whatever they want and that just cos one person says they passed their prime doesn't make it so. correct me if i'm wrong but unlike you i've never said anything was better or worse or that any artist has lost it. CDW: it's supposed to be the snood character but it bears a striking resemblance to grover from seasame street. |
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well, as someone who has to make up his own mind, i decide for myself what is good or not. my point was to let someone like ceri, who has maybe only heard the vocal stuff know that they have stuff that (TO ME) is tons better. sorry for having an opinion... wish you didnt have to take it so personal. |
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i just find it so obnoxious when people piss all over music others enjoy A LOT. there are a lot better ways of critiquing something than to make obviously subjective blanket statements that serve no real purpose except for putting down others for enjoying what you term to be an inferior piece of art. |
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so i'm not allowed to have an opinion? or is it because it's not the same as yours? how would YOU have liked me to word it? what would have made YOU feel ok about me not liking them... plus, like i said before, i ws trying to guide someone who may not like the newer stuff towards something they MIGHT like. |
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tact and respect are a stepping stone |
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sorry i'm not pc enough. i don't go out of my way to offend, but i'm not gonna baby somone who is gonna take personal offense to my tastes, either. |
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i could've been nastier, if i was a nasty person. |
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my point is you don't have to put something down to praise the qualities of something else... this is a problem i have with a lot of the users on this board (especially all the old Album A vs. Album B and Artist C vs. Artist D threads). call it babying if you want but constantly saying something is crap really has negative effects on people. it's not a context an album needs. |
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sorry. in MY OPINION, the new stuff IS garbage. it just IS. the lyrics are trite, bad pagan references mixed with drug babble. sorry, that's how i feel. it's a veri immature way of going about things. it's very highschool kinda "shrooms rule!" written on the back of a notebook kinda poetry. sorry. the music itself is ok... but balance has GOT to learn to shut his trap for 5 seconds. they lost their mystery. |
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in the blue corner we have ... in the red corner we have ... |
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yeah... im sick of this conversation. what is it with people getting so personal about crap on here lately? i hate fighting, and it seems like that all anyone wants to do. everyone wants to be right. |
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"bad pagan references mixed with drug babble." Yes, that's why I walked out. He was just talking about drugs and not being funny about it. It seemed to be along similair lines as comedians who swear constantly, (some) people find it funny because of the subject matter, regardless of the fact no actual "jokes" are made. I'm not writing Coil off as rubbish, perhaps I happened to walk in during their absolute worst track. It doesn't make me want to go out of my way to hear any of their other stuff though. |
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well, that why i recommmended the stuff i did... it's mostly instrumental and quite good. blacklight is VERY minimal and droney... hardly any voice on it at all, and where there is, it is good. glitch is also very spacey and meditative. |
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Cheers, I'll check those releases out. |
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oh, i almost forgot... you should check out their nin remixes if you haven't heard em before, especially closer (the one at the beginning of seven) and the one eraser one they did (they heavy guitar one, reminds me of an old song of theirs from horse rotorvator). |
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Their first few albums are among my favorite music ever made by human beings, but I'm not a big fan of ambient music so the later stuff doesn't appeal to me as much. |
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yeah, like i said... scatology, for instance... VASTLY superior to their material post-lsd. |
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Ceri JC - You obviously didn't give Coil much of a chance. Balance spoke about drugs for about one minute, conversing with the audience between tracks. He said he wasn't drunk, somebody shouted "liar", he then said he wasn't lying, but he did have horse tranquilisers for later on, and a horse in his chalet to give them to. I'd hardly call that going on and on about drugs and pagan babble. For the record, Coil were one of the highlights of the weekend for an awful lot of people. |
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so then what WAS he going on about? nonsense, no doubt. extraterrestrial hooplah and more "magick" herb and root stuff. |
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and eros and ether, sounds lime my man needs to go back to ancient rome and have an orgy or something. |
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He he, shame I caught that whole minute after about 4 minutes of mediocre minimal music and left. Don't get so het up, it's just my opinion, I'm sure a lot of people didn't enjoy Sonic Sum or Public Enemy as much as me... |
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lime, hahahahahahaha. |
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tibbar = hater and self-pitier |
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And why would you have ever been listening to Coil in the first place? Aren't they diametrically opposed to just about everything you believe in? Blatant Crowley references, Austin Osman Spare praxis, alchemy, Jon Dee monads, blood letting, homosexuality, Pan worship, animalism, paganism, telepathy, ect. the list goes on for quite a while. |
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coil is incredible...I really would like to obtain all of their releases (really pricey though). |
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titsworth: if you dont like me, just dont talk to me. cabbog: ah, but at one time... i was not who i am now. i can still appreciate the artistry of some things they've done... in a detatched way. |
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can someone briefly outline coil please? i've only heard one track: Coil - The Snow - Answers Come In Dreams and i really liked it. but i'm concerned about references to drugs and "scatology" and various other things that i've never heard of |
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cabbog, wtf is: Austin Osman Spare praxis Jon Dee monads Pan worship (saucepans???) animalism (sounds very unsavory) |
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Here's the gist of Coil. Their most notable early release, How to Destroy Angels, is a collection of "dark ambient" works. It's awesome. Then there was Scatology, industrial stuff featuring Marc Almond from Soft Cell. Some of the tracks are definitely prototype industrial sounding. after that, you've got Horse Rotorvator, which is a greater experiment in sounds and blending styles. It sounds like industrial beatles in their worst moods. Then, there's Love's Secret Domain. A beat oriented collection. Not really my thing because it's just not as exciting. They then did some remix records of HR and LSD. After this, they made some records that don't get much attention... they go back to the more experimental side of things. And then Music to Play in the Dark--which is phenomenal in its creepiness and somber tone. Recently, they've been back into sound and ambient bits. And playing live a hell of a lot more than ever. |
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ehhehe Cabbog you did NOT introduce me to Coil......so *sticks tongue out* poo on YOU! you have however introduced me to Love, Ingown Ring, etc. etc. etc... 'as the king and i said' ceri......dunno about Coil /aka John Balance now but the two CD's i have are kicking, liked them on the first listen. some people DO SUCK LIVE tho, so perhaps you just didn't see him at his best? tibbar...i don't keep up with people drug habits, as it doesn't affect me, i can and often does influence music artists for the worse (some say for the better) but either way i know what i like, and i'm enjoying the music on that level. on a side note, something i've noticed since you've wandered onto the MB, and take it or leave it......you are WAY WAY over sensative to criticism from people who in no way REALLY affect your life, only as much as you let them. you seem to have a 'cry baby' attitude thats unusual for a guy your age. read what you write, it's defensive and overly dramatic......leave the drama at the door it makes the MB a more interesting place IMO. machine.....check out strangefortune.com for good prices, i'd EMAIL the dood before ordering cos my stuff WHICH HE CHARGED ME FOR, has been on backorder for 3 months.....=/ my 2 cents as per usual! |
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i dont care what srugs an artist does. its none of my business... its just annoying when they are constantly talking about it. |
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srugs = drugs |
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the softcell cover was cool anyhow.... |
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oh yeah... put a whole different perspective on that song. like i said, i dont think they've never done anything of merit... i didn't say all that. but some people over-reacted and made me sound like i was trashing them. i just said, in my opinion, they have lost their edge. they "fell off". |
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Yes, both the great titsworth and myself have mentioned Strange Fortune numerous times but apparently to no avail. Peons. By the way, I love your avatar. Keep it forever. |
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