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sweet...thanks man for the linky |
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Too sing-songy for my tastes.. but the video was easy one the eyes. |
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yeah the track is not my tea either, but i liked the video |
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All three of my alien minds agree that this primitive human negro chanting ritual is interesting, culturally. From our studies so far, we have concluded that the negro humans perform this ritual in order to achieve an altered state of consciousness and to initiate sex. This particular ritual was curious because it contrasts with our current documentation of negro chanting rituals which have ALL been about sex. This disproves our current theory that it is solely a mating ritual. We WERE going to simply land our spaceship and play this... this "music"... to attract the negros so that we can domesticate and breed them for our food. But now we must study the music further to find out what characteristics distinguish mating music from other types. |
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that was one of the better posts i've read in a while! |
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blech, not my cup of tea. |
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man i hate this guy... he's such a pussy |
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LOL @ w M w's post! |
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true, true... hold on i got a message on my two-way... "fuck you all!" -talib kweli greene |
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if you watch carefully there's a nas cameo in two scenes; also, the "primitive human negro chanting" is a take on a classic nina simone song ("sinnerman"). but then when did an idm fan listen to nina simone. |
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quiet down you elitist bastard. joking. i'm afraid i've never heard of this simone person, so i guess you're right in your generalisation of all IDM fans. |
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which is sad cos nina simone is extremely well known and regarded as one of the best singers of the 20th century. but i didn't make my "generalization" quite as heavyhandedly as that; i know some people here are familiar with nina simone, just too few. |
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I can't believe this thread is about rap... |
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well, i guess i'm in the minority. i really could care less, as i enjoy what i listen to, so if i'm "close minded", well, i'm a lot more open minded about music than most people. i guess i'll download a song by this person based on your suggestion though. |
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again, you're putting words in my mouth. |
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i've definitely observed your comments on other topics about a general narrow mindedness in "IDM fans". i'm sorry if you're misinterpreting my posts, but i do feel like you make a lot of, frankly, elitist references to music that some people haven't had the luck to hear. or, in some cases, if someones heard something that you happen to like, but says they dislike it, you say things along the lines of "you're close minded" or even, as evidenced in one topic "most of the people on this board are sexist when it comes to music." now, that may be true in some cases, but, once again, i think your good intentions to get people to listen to wider varieties of music can be misconstrued as being condescending and elitist. thats my two cents, i could be completely wrong, in fact i'm sure you'll say i am. |
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man i'm disappointed that IDM fans aren't even CURIOUS about other stuff (which conflicts with your claim that they just haven't been lucky enough to hear it) but people can and should listen to what they want, and i don't want to "guilt" someone into listening to something if they really couldn't care less (eg: you and nina simone; note, i never told you to listen to her music). i voice my disappointments (and i try to be explicit with my claims) but the elitism i think is misinterpretation. |
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hey, that pic is from ferris buehlars(sp?) day off... heh, TNN (or the NEW TNN, as they like to stress) had that playing ALL day last week one day... pretty weird... |
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i find it ironic funkmaster flex (hot 97 super dj) has a show on TNN (formerly "the nashville network") now.. |
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to some extent i agree that alot of IDM fans, and music fans in general are stuck in their own respective genre of musical taste. i for one attempt to branch out from whatever it is i usually listen to by getting into other types of music. i suppose my entire point was that i've seen people say that they've heard something and simply did not like it, not that they had sexist, racist or any other views regarding the artist, but you and perhaps a handful of others on here have called them out for it for reasons other than the simple fact that it doesn't "jive" with them. i agree though, people in general stay safe within their musical boundaries and that is sad. its the reason why a lot of people wouldn't give IDM the time of day so i guess it can also be used against IDM fans who won't go a step further. so on the whole i guess i agree with you. |
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well, I'm as open minded about music as anyone... but I just am not that into rap music... I've bought a couple cds, and listened to a fair bit of rap, and still I'm not that interested... so, because of that I'm not going to be very enthusiastic about listening to a new rap song you might suggest... it's not that I'm closeminded, it's just that the whole rap style doesn't do it for me... and it's not that I haven't heard the "right" artists... the whole sound or rap, that monotone raping, is just annoying to me... most of it anyways... so, it's not that I'm not "curious" or am "closeminded" that I'm not interested in rap... it's because I've given it a try, and it doesn't do anything for me... and I don't feel like forcing myself to like it by listening to every single rap artist out there... that's my perspective on this whole closeminded thing... |
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just cos only i and select others on this board deconstruct things (eg: observing latent sexism and racism) doesn't mean that our minority opinion is "wrong" (what, just cos only a few of us are saying it? that's dumb) or even that others don't agree/haven't thought the same thing and are just reluctant to say it. most people here would rather not talk about big issues and they definitely don't like criticizing themselves, so that's what i think that's about. not me being some kind of elitist asshole, but if that makes people happy they can think that... it just ignores the bigger picture though. |
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that's fine i wasn't saying anything about listening to hip-hop; nina simone is a jazz singer, not some kind of rapper, and if you don't like the kweli song then so be it. if i wanted to get on a soapbox about hip-hop it would be in another thread (and at another time, as i long ago decided not to talk about hip-hop on here except in specific). |
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now heres where you're misinterpreting me. i think what you're doing is absolutely fine and should be done. but you hit some people the wrong way that don't have "subconcious sexism" (quoting from a mira calix topic there), but who simply don't enjoy the music. i deconstruct things as well but i don't generally point fingers at people simply because they said something that might imply sexism, racism, etc. if its blatant, yes. there are people who don't listen to rap because they have a misplaced generalization on the genre, as there are people who don't listen to female artists because of deep rooted sexism. this can't be denied. but there have been alot of instances where people have been told that they don't know what to make of music and don't know what they're talking about in the case of taste, ie disliking an artist because they dislike the music, not because shes a woman. theres a really fine line here and i guess its ok that you're pointing these things out, although don't fall victim to your own traps. |
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The best rap song I've heard is called "satan's rant". It is here: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/253/satanik_soundz.html As for my own input on this discussion about trying out different styles of music, I find that I am openly closed minded. Don't get me wrong, I agree with all of you except for certain parts that I disagree with. Like all of it. Just kidding, I try to let my musical consumption branch out and then branch back in and around my ankle then back out again. I try new things but only things I'm really familiar with. |
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I didn't mean that post to be angry or anything... just the way I am about music... so, I'm not pointing the finger at you here... I may have in the past, but not here... :) with electronic music, I heard a few songs, and was interested enough to explore the different artists, and still am... but with rap I'm not... however, hip-hop without the rap I LOVE... DJ Shadow, Amon Tobin, etc, etc... suggest to me artists that fit into that category, and I'd be more then willing to listen sometime... I understand, or think I understand where you're coming from though... I love lots of different music that I know hardly anyone here likes... and this is where I come to talk about music... so, lots of times I find myself promoting this music a load, without much response... hip-hop music ain't as bad as some of the music I promote, cause you actually get responses from people who like it... whereas I hardly do... but it's still not the most popular music here... |
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i can't even imagine what it's like to be you if your tracks are what you think music is supposed to be. i get a kick out of some of the stuff you've made and i'm for diversity in everything but your tracks have to be the emptiest music i've heard in my life. do you not get much out of melody and tone color? do you listen to any music with any soul in it (not necessarily "soul music" like curtis mayfield, nina simone, isaac hayes, etc., but anything emotive and rich)? |
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heh. it appears i agree with you on something. |
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i'd say you're a good example of an xltronic user who listens to many types of music (hip-hop is just ONE genre, it's not "everything" to me or anyone else), which i think is great... i suppose i am getting on a high horse when i say that i feel bad for people here who just listen to autechre and that sort of thing. back to your question, check out boom bip (vocalless) and cLOUDDEAD (very abstract vocals, not monotone rapping as you put it, if you even want to call it rapping it's more like another instrument in the mix)... and the req album released last year (sketchbook) if you haven't gotten that yet. and the whole ninja tune label too, especially dj food. |
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sorry by the way if i've completely ruined your thread. |
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see, now that's what I call a kick ass rap song!! ;) |
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yes, ninja tune is kick ass! |
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the only people i hit the wrong way are people who can't distinguish between a general concept (ideas put forth that may or may not be true in each circumstance) and a rigid dictate ("everyone here is a ____").. whether it's 1 person or 1000 people here who can't tell the difference, i don't feel any sympathy for 'em.. they shouldn't let themselves get so offended by thoughtful discussion or take everything so personally. |
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actually, besides dr. dre, who i've been enjoying alot lately, can you suggest any instrumental hip hop? i mean instrumental versions of tracks, although normal instrumental stuff is welcome as well. |
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oh, and by the way, i'm not offended by any of your comments. |
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see above comment to funkmaster and the stuff he mentioned.. there've been threads about this question before, i'd summarize but i need to go |
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I'm a very empty person. I am very serious, like the wish fish was when he solemnly told big bear that he was not able to grant him the wish to have friends. The only things I like in this brain-owning existence are reading information that interests me (which is solitary entertainment), and other non-social solitary entertainment like videogames. I want and maybe have to keep my brain entertained. You might not care much who I am and that is understandable. I've read a few books on complexity and chaos and symmetry etc, and music like lipswitch and 8000 bc really interest me. I can't really say why, they organize chaos and simulate nature's behavior I guess. I really love nature and consider man to be a negative antithesis. I see a lot of negativity caused by humans. A lot of systems are unhealthy and twisted absurdly. To me some complex music is not about an individual's perspective, like slim shady etc. It's about observing and knowing without paying attention to a self, like as outwardly observed information read by an all knowing narrator. Some of my past creations honestly interest me, or used to, but the computer is the reason they were possible. (Of course evolution is the reason we're possible. and we're the reason computers are possible) It's just pointless organized sound and it's only entertaining to me because I have an evolved brain to interpret the world. Complex intricate things entertain me. I've had no friends for a long time. I don't love my own species but I depend on them. It's a system that has no choice but to move forward. We couldn't even theoretically return to, say, hunting and gathering after a certain amount of progress had been made. It's irreversable and I don't think I like the way it's headed. On the other hand it can be viewed as much much better, I can't even form a solid opinion. I try to understand how everything can be reduced to some constituent elements and the phenomenon of non-existence seems like it'd be fairly relieving, while most other people fear |
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while most other people fear it. I can see how it would be to be optomistic. being generally so or not probably mostly depends on nurture. We work systematically. We're just matter that moves in an organized manner. There is no real "soul" other than some whole that the brain is able to produce. Only autechre can provide an artistic equivalent to the knowledge that our bodies are just a current complex product of things that started replicating and thus evolving due to mutations. It can be depressing, or not. I can't form a solid opinion on that either. I'm not trying to be deep or something and hardly care about whatever it is I'm talking about. The one I hate most sometimes is me. I hardly ever talk. It's not worth the effort and there are problems with oral communication that don't exist in written. Communicating on the internet is entertaining. The entire internet put together is or has the potential to be as adaptable and intelligent as a human brain maybe as if I know. The end. (everyone hisses and boos. then one person stands up and applauds which emotionally moves everyone else to one by one. until everyone is in tears applauding and making out with eachother and the mailman is kissing the dog. and darth vader hugs luke skywalker and the evil emperor at the same time.) |
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