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offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-28 21:39 [#00532331]
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Xltronic Music Massacre

This should be considered a collaboration effort, rather
than a compilation of tracks. This will be a single
composition consisting of many tracks (segments) made by
regular music makers and amateur music makers alike.
It is a progressive project intended to display our musical
tastes and give an insight to our creativity and
personality. Definitively it will be one long single track
consisting of many two minute segments created by the
participants all connected together in one way or another.

Directions:

1. Send an email to __(email-address)__ conveying your wish
to participate. Your name will be added. From there you will
be sent a list of the participants and the order in which
they will partake in the project. When it is your turn to
contribute your piece; you will be sent a web address from
where you can d/l the two tracks(or segments) that will be
placed before yours.

2. Download the two tracks. These tracks are the two that
will be placed before your track in the sequence. Compare
and contrast the differences, try to determine the direction
the composition is going and where your track is
comparatively situated in the composition.

3. Start to create your track. It has to be 'anywhere under'
2 minutes in length. It is recommended that your track
smoothly transitions from the previous one. Though this is
not enforced but you must keep in mind that you must start
from where the preceding track left off. It is also
recommended that you use similar elements from the previous
tracks in your track. Whether it would be bpm, style,
samples, or character. They should all be tangible in some
sense. Your track should be a direct response to the
preceding tracks in one way or another. Other wise this
would be a be a forum to display everyone's beat matching
abilities.

4. Upload your segment (track) of the composition onto the
site*. The oldest track will be displaced (with your track
and the one that will precede yours.) Your done. The baton
will be passed.

In the en


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-28 21:40 [#00532333]
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In the end Mixy Mouse will attach the sequences into one
single tracks. W00t!

* Is uploading going to be possible? I don’t know websites
that well. I guess emailing the track is possible, is it?


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-28 21:44 [#00532337]
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So how does that sound? Is it agreeable?


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-01-28 21:45 [#00532338]
Points: 3348 Status: Regular



are you doing the final mixdown?.. the website, though
convenient for those contributing, may be a step in the
wrong direction.. also, I dont think the website should be
available to everyone.. those contributing should only hear
the tracks immediately preluding theirs..


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-01-28 21:45 [#00532339]
Points: 3348 Status: Regular



do u have instant messanger



 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-28 21:47 [#00532340]
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yup.

aim: d0lleater (with a zero in place of an O)


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-28 22:11 [#00532359]
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Thats a solid plan Dolleater, word

So who is starting, does the list from the previous thread
still apply to this one? eh?

I dont think people should really stress about the order
that much, and they shouldnt stress about quality or
whatever, its all in good fun

I hope more people join in

Wooozle Wooozie Weeeeee!


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-28 22:25 [#00532370]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator



I'm in.

sounds like fun. so yeah - who starts, which website, etc..?


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 00:45 [#00532442]
Points: 3408 Status: Lurker



sounds really good, i started yesterday, and i think i'll
finish it next week ...


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 00:57 [#00532443]
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btw.: i'll upload my track on my webspace, i'll inform you
if it's ready to download. i'll do a zip file, including the
mp3 file and the log file...

"1. map 00:00 - 1:49" and so on ...


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-29 01:02 [#00532445]
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that may not be nessicary mr.map. I think we might be doing
it via email. Ive revised the above guidlines a lot. I think
Ive got it right this time. Im going to wait untill tomarow
when my mixer comes online. Please dont do any web things
yet. Im sorry I troubled you if you have.


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-29 01:03 [#00532447]
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I mean in a few hours, its tomarrow already. :D


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 01:04 [#00532448]
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alright ... should i mail it you ? mickey ?


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 01:08 [#00532451]
Points: 3408 Status: Lurker



heh i'm at work now, it's 09:09 am here ...


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-29 01:19 [#00532457]
Points: 4819 Status: Addict



Final revised version:
Xltronic Music Massacre

This should be considered a collaboration effort, rather
than a compilation of tracks. This will be a single
composition consisting of many tracks (segments) made by
regular music makers and amateur music makers alike.
It is a progressive project intended to display our musical
tastes and give an insight to our creativity and
personality. Definitively it will be one long single track
consisting of many two minute segments created by the
participants all connected together in one way or another.

Directions:



 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-29 01:20 [#00532458]
Points: 4819 Status: Addict



1. Send an email to scnj2082@hotmail.com (mixer’s
email-address) conveying your wish to participate. Your name
will be added. From there you will be sent a list of the
participants and the order in which they will partake in the
project. When it is your turn to contribute your piece; you
will be sent via email the two tracks that will precede
yours.

2. Download the attached two tracks in the email. These
tracks are the two that will be placed before your track in
the sequence. Compare and contrast the differences, try to
determine the direction the composition is going and where
your track is comparatively situated in the composition.

3. Start to create your track. It has to be ‘anywhere
under’ 2 minutes in length; in mp3 format and no more than
128kbs. It is recommended that your track smoothly
transitions from the previous one. Though this is not
enforced but you must keep in mind that you must start from
where the preceding track left off. Let me reinforce that
the composition as a whole will be a collective of
individual tracks, making in a sense a long flowing track.
The musicians should try their best to have their endings of
their piece end in a manner where the next musician can work
off of easily. For instance, no abrupt silent endings, fade
outs... ect, maybe end it at the end of a chorus abruptly,
so that the next piece can have the chance to flow somewhat.
Take into consideration that depending how you end your
track, it could either continue the flow or make it nearly
impossible for the next artist to work off of.

It is also recommended that you use similar elements from
the previous tracks in your track. Whether it would be bpm,
style, samples, or character. They should all be tangible in
some sense. Your track should be a direct response to the
preceding tracks in one way or another. Other wise this
would be a be a forum to display everyone’s beat matching
abilities.

4. Send your finished track back to the mixer.

In the end the mixer will attach each track together.


 

offline fat kaimo from Finland on 2003-01-29 01:37 [#00532465]
Points: 2003 Status: Lurker



good work, Dolleater!
but.
i still think that having webspace would be good because big
emails are problem for some people (like me). there wouldn't
have to be a web-site, just the mp3's in a folder only the
participants would know the address.

and i think 128kbps is too low quality. maybe not in the
listening/inspiring process, but when mickey mixes the
tracks he'll have to decode & encode the files again and
that will finally destroy sound quality.

do i sound like a bitch...? not intented... keep up the good
work Doll!

(i have to go now, back in an hour)


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 01:44 [#00532466]
Points: 3408 Status: Lurker



*done with mailing

i'll encode it to 192kbps... thats a good quality, at the
end you still can do a 64 and 128 kbps version or
whatever...

and good work dolleater, cheechy bastard :D


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-01-29 01:50 [#00532470]
Points: 3348 Status: Regular



128kbps is fine.. most people should be able to send 128
kbps mp3 files that are <_2:00 long

dont do anything like 160, 192 .. it might result in a
contrast in quality between segments.. and if it doesnt,
it's just a pointless use of harddrive space


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-29 02:01 [#00532473]
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The reason they should be encoded at 128kbs is because its a
perfect size mp3 to send through email. It'll be a burden
for the mixer to encode every single track he gets. So you
guys need to encode it yourself. Its not that hard it is?


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 02:05 [#00532475]
Points: 3408 Status: Lurker



depends on how he mix it ? do he mix it in mp3, with traktor
? better he decode them all in wav and mix it together in
wavelab or soundforge and encode it back in mp3 with 128kbps
...

that's what i do all the time ...


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-29 02:15 [#00532489]
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'theo himself' is doing the mixing. Hes got it under
controll. Just please make sure all of you encode your
tracks in mp3 at 128.


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-29 02:21 [#00532497]
Points: 26325 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



Right I shall have to e-mail that address when I get home. I
can't use my work address. Good rules Dolleater.


 

offline fat kaimo from Finland on 2003-01-29 02:21 [#00532498]
Points: 2003 Status: Lurker



(i'm back already...)

hey... what about ogg vorbis? at 128kbps it sounds
better than most 192kbps mp3s. the final mixed version could
be in mp3 again.

winlame is an easy prog that encodes&decodes hq
mp3's and oggs. give it a chance, it really is good.


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-01-29 02:24 [#00532501]
Points: 3348 Status: Regular



I don't even know what that is.

keep it at 128, and keep it under 2 mins


 

offline fat kaimo from Finland on 2003-01-29 02:26 [#00532504]
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huh, you don't even want to know what it is?!
ok then.


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 02:28 [#00532506]
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fat kaimo i would do it, but i think the most aren't
familiar with ogg ... it's the new, and the mp3 standard
seems to only good solution yet.


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-29 02:29 [#00532508]
Points: 5924 Status: Regular



my email quota is 2meg right now :/ i will see if i can
arrange some better addy just for this


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 02:30 [#00532510]
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gmx offers you 20mb, free...


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-01-29 02:33 [#00532513]
Points: 3348 Status: Regular



u mean that ogg drop thing? I have that .. but I've never
used it.. I dont think the program I'm using would be able
to recognize it as a format if it's that new


 

offline fat kaimo from Finland on 2003-01-29 02:33 [#00532514]
Points: 2003 Status: Lurker | Followup to map: #00532506



it sounds better & it's just as easy as mp3... for a
relatively closed project like this it would be good i
think. mp3 would be better for the 'release'.


 

offline fat kaimo from Finland on 2003-01-29 02:34 [#00532516]
Points: 2003 Status: Lurker | Followup to theo himself: #00532513



so you are mixing straight from mp3's without decoding?


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 02:35 [#00532517]
Points: 3408 Status: Lurker



ogg vorbis is the future of digital audio, same like
structured audio, it's free and open source. there is a plug
in for winamp for reading .ogg files.


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-29 02:36 [#00532518]
Points: 5924 Status: Regular



ogg vorbis would be cool to me too. i also have a good web
space so if there is no other possibility for me to receive
perhaps the person before me can make an exeption and
upload? if its too much trouble and against the rules i can
also not participate. i will try to find a better thingy.


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 02:36 [#00532519]
Points: 3408 Status: Lurker | Followup to theo himself: #00532513



yeah how will you mix 'em ?


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-01-29 02:38 [#00532524]
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neetta.. dont' worry, when you are sent ur two tracks,
they'll be sent one at a time, to avoid maxing out the amt.
of space one email message could handle

what is ogg vorbis tho.. what's the difference


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 02:41 [#00532531]
Points: 3408 Status: Lurker



MP3 is what is known as a "lossy" format. Thus, much of the
sound data is removed when MP3 files are created. This
results in a file with inferior sound quality to a CD.
Vorbis is also a "lossy" format, but uses superior acoustic
models to reduce the damage. Thus, music released in Vorbis
will sound better than a comparably sized MP3 file.


 

offline fat kaimo from Finland on 2003-01-29 02:43 [#00532535]
Points: 2003 Status: Lurker



map is citing the ogg vorbis faq.


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 02:46 [#00532541]
Points: 3408 Status: Lurker



xactly :)


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-29 03:54 [#00532620]
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Lets keep a universal format going, its easier and simpler.
This project is already lacking in simplicity.

The 128kbs Mp3 should just about size under 2mb. If your
track doesnt, that will would be a special exception and
something can be worked out later. Lets cross some bridges
when we get to them. Relax everyone. Dont worry, be happy.
:)


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 03:56 [#00532622]
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agreed, i think it's the best when we keep by mp3 128kbps :)


ehm... so i have to send it to theo right ?


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-01-29 04:01 [#00532629]
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yeauh


 

offline fat kaimo from Finland on 2003-01-29 04:05 [#00532632]
Points: 2003 Status: Lurker



okay allright no problem you hóney bunnies!
it's up to you now, map...


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-01-29 04:08 [#00532633]
Points: 3348 Status: Regular



kaimo is that bjork?


 

offline fat kaimo from Finland on 2003-01-29 04:10 [#00532635]
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yes, from 'dancer in the dark'.


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-29 04:17 [#00532640]
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So heres the list. They were literally drawn out of a hat in
this order (except for map's name of course).
1. map
2. pomme de terre
3. theo himself
4. Phresch
5. Monoid
6. beanium
7. fat kiamo
8. neetta
9. princo
10. spookyluke
11. Dolleater
12. NeoExtremist
13. nexialism
14. giginger
15. my little sister
16. Mickey Mouse
17. Ceri JC
18. DJ Xamma
19. darius griffin
20. Iron Lung
21. sadist
22. raimons
23. diablo
24. weatheredstoner


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-29 04:19 [#00532643]
Points: 3408 Status: Lurker | Followup to fat kaimo: #00532635



looks computer animated ...


 

offline fat kaimo from Finland on 2003-01-29 04:21 [#00532647]
Points: 2003 Status: Lurker | Followup to Dolleater: #00532640



oh i thought i had to sign up for this again so i just
emailed theo...

but this looks good!
excpect for my name!
haha!


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-29 04:28 [#00532655]
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Nah, not you guy. Just for the newbies.


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2003-01-29 04:40 [#00532663]
Points: 5696 Status: Lurker



just sent a mail to that addy. The Keyfumbler is in!


 


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