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after hearing them a few times, i discovered a few interesting things. so it's official, that rdj can't play the piano, and he used something like a eletronically steared piano. okay, but there is one thing i'm curious about: when you listen to the songs carefully, you can hear something you can hear only when someone plays the piano for real. when you play a few keys with one hand, it's impossible, that you hit them at the same time. so you hear, that one key is played slightly faster than the other. a few of the songs on drukqs are played this way. but if they would be played by a mechanically played piano, it should play every key perfectly... |
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What gave you the impression he couldn't play? He have never heard he used an electronically steered piano. I heard he bought one of those yamaha ones, used it for a bit and then started fucking about with the strings etc. inside. But I always just assumed he played it. |
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YOU CANT ASSUME RIGHT ANGLES!!!! GOD!!! DID I TEACH YOU NOTHING?!?!?!?! |
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it was mentioned in a few threads and i read in an interview about it |
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ah they are lovely pieces no matter what and a lot have been used on TV for poignant video clips.... - an Andy Warhol Documentry - a "whats happening to our kids" paeodoplile type thing - i´m sure ch4 has used it in their "on ch4 this week" blurb |
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A prepared piano doesn't mean electronic. It's basically one that someone has fiddled with to create a different sound. ie: putting nails on the hammers and such like. The pieces are possible to play as I've finally managed it. :D |
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yeah, but it's true that he used a computer-steared piano |
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so how come in Avril 14th you can hear him pressing down the keys on the piano? i've spent alot of time playing piano's and i've got a pretty good trained ear when it comes to music too but even my b/f oscillik can hear it...it sounds like he's playing it to me.. |
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I can't see the point in using a computer steered piano, he might as well just use his laptop and a midi keyboard. I am sure he bought a limited edition white yamaha piano, and that Gary Barlow from Take That also bought the same one. |
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sorry i ate your chicken stimpy. it wasnt even that good... it gave me bad gas! |
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that's why i'm curious |
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if he can't play the piano, how can he play synths? if you can play a synth, you can play a piano and vice versa |
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heya baby! how u doin? u can hear him pressing the keys and i know the sound of a box piano when i hear 1! |
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it's not a box piano, it's a prepared piano, but i reckon it's real (as in, not synthed or electronically done or whatever) |
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it is a real piano.... steared by a comp.. could anyone post a link ?? |
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even if they are done with a computer sequenced piano, as if you cant program the sequencer to play the notes slightly after each other. the whole point of a sequencer is to enable you to program things excactly as you want them. if you want every note perfectly in time-you got it. all the same volume-you got it. wherever you want the note and at whatever volume, you just program it that way. personally i think he played those traks anyway. they dont seem that complicated. and anyone whos hung out with synths and keyboards around him most his life is bound to have a few skills. [ + 2 0 r p 3 ] |
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:o( ok well he made it impressivly sound like a box piano then.. |
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i'm goin now..laters peeps, *nods* angel.. |
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hm, so why did he said, that he maid it on such piano... they are made real... |
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maybe he didn't make them at all ? |
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Actually sadist is right: "He bought a grand piano that can be played by computer. It's called a 'Diskclavier' and it's made by Yamaha. It's exactly like a straightforward grand piano but the keys can be controlled by a computer via MIDI - the musical instrument digital interface. Richard James cannot read conventional musical notation and he cannot play a keyboard so, in order to make the piano and prepared piano pieces that appear on 'Drukqs' he prepared his Diskclavier according to the principles established by John Cage and programmed the playing using a computer. The results are there for all to hear. It's a real piano on Drukqs, not a sampler or a synthesizer." Complete text can be found at www.warprecords.com. :-) |
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i play synth but i cant play piano ;) used to get the same impression out of some autechre.. but i loved them for it! fuck it up!!!! |
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thanks |
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that proves my point. you can sequence notes the way you want. |
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Well not this part of your point ;-) "personally i think he played those traks anyway. they dont seem that complicated. and anyone whos hung out with synths and keyboards around him most his life is bound to have a few skills." :-p But yeh, otherwise i agree with you. If that computer-program can emulate a human-pianoplayer, i'm sure it can also capture those slight imperfections... stuff like "program the sequencer to play the notes slightly after each other". It makes perfect sense. |
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It's just like some progams have what is called "Humanize" function. It's seem to be used largely for drums and it will occasionally make a few off beat. If one were to take one of those $40,000 midi controlled pianos and use this function I imagine it would sound like a person playin. |
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wow... so technically, you can never be sure, if the song you hear is played for real or by a computer... |
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i suppose the computer could make a piano do things that are not humanly possible :-p (like play superfast, or melodies that would require humans to have more than 10 fingers). |
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this too, but i mean this frightens me... i hear some piano piece, and i think: o ! how wonderful. and then i realize that some kid has made it in fruity piano roll... |
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Kesson Daslef seems rather difficult to play. I'm not a master pianist, but I don't think it would be very easy. |
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hm... i don't have that problem... a good song is a good song in my eyes... no matter where it comes from. If i hear a beautiful piece of piano-music, and then found out some kid made it with a computer... that wouldn't make me like it any less. |
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i would be a bit disappointed |
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Those darn piano tracks are the only bad thing on that cd. Now i always have to stand up and swich tracks so the AFX mood won't be spoiled. :( |
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to echo surrounded... what does it matter how he made the music??? he is still the music maker & if its lush music its still lush even if you find out it was made by randomly tapping keys (oh and hello! im a newbie on this forum) |
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hi tab ! welcome to the real world. |
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Actually. avril 14th happens to be one of my fave tracks on disc1. I think this whole case is great and inspiring. It shows that as long as you have the musical insight combined with imagination and creativity, you can be a top rated artist in the musicworld, and you don't even have to be able to play an instrument to be respected. |
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I remember when I though Nanou2 was the worst track on it, now it's my fave... I love those piano tracks, but the album as a whole has a bad flow for me and I have trouble sitting through it. |
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that is true ophecks, the piano pieces, although brilliant, do tend to break the flow of the album and seem a little out of place . |
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Hi, welcome to the board and: " if its lush music its still lush even if you find out it was made by randomly tapping keys"... yes! Exactly. People find the weirdest reasons for not liking a song... -the artist performing it is too popular -the artist has made lots of money with it -the song is used in a commercial -the performing artist didn't write the song himself -the artist is too young/too old etc etc etc... bah... Just listen to the music! That's the only thing that matters. The piano-pieces on druqks are brilliant, all of them... i adore them :-) Druqks is incredibly varried, but somehow i never found that a problem. It all seems to work and flow just fine for me. (i have more problems with ICBYD... most of the songs are excellent, but they don't fit very well together at all imo...) |
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