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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-16 11:36 [#00482360]
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I don't know.
I just pray this isnt the future of electronic music. With Satanstornade being released, with critical acclaim, and this new record , I fear that this is were we are going.
Its just kind of rediculous to me.
I mean, I dont want to sound like some conservative person whos stuck in the past...
but like... making white noise music is not hard.
Not hard at all.
And its damaging to your ears.
Loud, high frequencies are the most damaging.
With a note on the satanstornade album saying "play at full volume" or some shit... people are goin to go deaf.
Its pretty fucking stupid if you ask me.
And dont get me wrong, Im all up for crazy sounds etc (see my last peice "5 Interconnected Passageways)... but I mean... just a wave of white noise.... come on.
It just feels like people are like "i dont know what to do to be the next innovator... i know... ill make pure noise music!"
bah.
Thoughts? Comments?
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2002-12-16 11:39 [#00482365]
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Have you heard the Album yet ZEUS !?!? The Mego stuff, is pretty good NOISE, so I bet this one will be good too.....or maybe not
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Anus_Presley
on 2002-12-16 11:42 [#00482370]
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i don't like purre noise unless it has some sorrt of melody orr something. i mean i can make my own purre noise just by sticking my guitarr in frront of my amp.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-16 11:42 [#00482371]
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i heard a sound clip at warprecords.com
is was shit.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2002-12-16 11:42 [#00482372]
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Anyone here heard that BLIR recrd !? He mixes static noise with weird speed up Vocals, its fucking intense.....
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2002-12-16 11:44 [#00482376]
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'noise' music so to speak doesnt do it for me at all
but if you heard some of the stuff i pull youd call me a hypocrite :)
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2002-12-16 11:44 [#00482377]
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Oh, its by Merzbow, yep than Im sure its pretty shit........
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2002-12-16 11:47 [#00482382]
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i heard a lot about merzbow. but the first description i heard of them was that they are 'noise terrorists'
needless to say that did not encourage me at all. i still havent checked them out :)
funny that
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KEYFUMBLER
from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2002-12-16 11:47 [#00482383]
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"Intelligent" noise is good....... ie the moise acts as a contrast to a melody, or it´s a build up`to something or it gives the atmosphere the artist wants to paint..... extreme and intense. Live noise, like with Whitehosue etc is best appreciated in-situ. It´s context is the experience of being there! Just like Sonar 2001 with RDJ! He went very far into extreme noise terror and it reduced us all to fucking jelly... the idea methinks! Music? arguable... sonic? yes indeedy!
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-16 11:49 [#00482385]
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yeah, and stupid terms like "noise terrorists" or "head fuck" and shit like that...
it pisses me off to no end.
sounds like a bunch of morons.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-16 11:49 [#00482388]
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there is whole cults devoted to noise..creating and appreciating it..I like noise if it can be modified and used to create rhythmic units..other wise it bores me
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2002-12-16 11:50 [#00482389]
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Him, not them.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-16 11:50 [#00482390]
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key: yeah, in certian context is great. (see autechre or SP)
but when the whole song is just "PSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
its like, give me a break.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2002-12-16 11:51 [#00482391]
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oh yeah i did check 5interconnected passageways.
personally i would have dug some sort of percussive element, even if it was just an impression of such.. maybe i didnt turn it up loud enuf ;) guess pure ambient isnt my thing either
but yeah wack sounds is fully what im into, i can definitely relate to your direction. without! the sounds being deliberately hard to listen to
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-16 11:51 [#00482392]
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flea: yeah, again autechre is a great example of this. they got lots of noise, but its rythemic... its not just PSHHHHHHHHHHH psshhhaaaaaaa PSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2002-12-16 11:51 [#00482393]
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Ho, and I think noise music is some kind of ambient.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2002-12-16 11:52 [#00482394]
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Hey, lots of the noisy stuff released on Ritornell and the 12K label is pretty good !!?!?
Freiband - Microbes
!? Anyone here heard this ALBUM !?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-16 11:52 [#00482395]
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but on the broight side, it was a great music niche to make money in
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-16 11:52 [#00482396]
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rocken: well... there was those heavy bass hits in the song... ?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-16 11:52 [#00482397]
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yup:)
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2002-12-16 11:54 [#00482400]
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Apart from maybe Gantz Graf, I don't think that Autechre is noisy at all.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-16 11:56 [#00482406]
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confeild?
track 2 of chiastic slide?
but its all tasteful, and meaningful, and expressive
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-16 11:57 [#00482407]
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heard "second bad vilbel"?
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2002-12-16 11:58 [#00482413]
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guess i didnt get that far zeus. ill try it again. sometimes i lack patience :)
we have this show on local radio here and they play stuff that sounds like the same drone going on for 15 minutes, puts me to sleep :)
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-12-16 12:00 [#00482415]
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i think we're pretty safe zeus. no single direction is going to consume electronic music, especially not noise. it may gain more popularity and we may see more noise artists, but i can't see it being the future of electronic music.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-12-16 12:00 [#00482417]
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um i seriously doubt "white noise" (LITERALLY) sells albums. as someone else pointed out, listen to the albums before you bash them. clips don't count.
incidentally, noise and collage tracks are the only mp3's i offer online...
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-12-16 12:01 [#00482421]
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gants graf doesn't sound like noise to me.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2002-12-16 12:01 [#00482422]
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No, really, I don't think these are noisy. Hmph, I must be mad or something...
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2002-12-16 12:02 [#00482426]
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To me neither, but I understand why it could be considered as noise.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-16 12:04 [#00482428]
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"um i seriously doubt "white noise" (LITERALLY) sells albums.
as someone else pointed out, listen to the albums before you
bash them. clips don't count. "
yeah, but Im not gonna go spend money on an album that sounds shit as far as ive heard.
not even in hearing... but in concept.
"incidentally, noise and collage tracks are the only mp3's i
offer online... "
ok?
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-12-16 12:04 [#00482429]
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yeah, i actually thought tri rep was noise when i first heard it. sounds ridiculous now, but it seriously had so little resemblance to music when i first heard it i wrote it off as noise, with all seriousness.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2002-12-16 12:06 [#00482430]
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my folks call anything that comes out of my room noise :)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-16 12:07 [#00482432]
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its all noise.
either you like the noise you hear, or you don't.
nothing more to it.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-12-16 12:07 [#00482433]
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i actually make a lot of 'noise' tracks, but in the end they are just meanderings in search of beautiful sounds that grow out of the noise. i have a pretty large bank of this stuff and i'll use those sounds to sculpt my real music eventually.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-16 12:08 [#00482434]
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*tries to hide a copy of masonna and 2 copies of merzbow I bought (and never listen to)
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-12-16 12:10 [#00482440]
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i send noise (and collage) tracks out or put 'em up for download cos they're interesting to listen to and pretty funny. it's not like i just hit a "white noise" button, and i doubt these recording artists who are popular, respected, and talented enough to have signed contracts (where's yours, zeus?) are hitting some kind of random noise button either. if you don't get it that's fine but why bitch about it, especially since you freely admit to not having even heard it?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-12-16 12:12 [#00482443]
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i kind of like it lately i'll definitely get this album
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-12-16 12:20 [#00482462]
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I haven't heard it but it's probably more than just white-noise, otherwise no one would like it...right? I've even read some positive reviews on the internet.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-16 12:21 [#00482464]
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youre such an asshole
1. i havent sent out demos 2. im in school and making records isnt something you can just throw together.
3. i did hear the music. not the whole album, but a clip of one of the songs. and thats enough for me to judge. especially after reading reviews saying that THAT track was so great. if thats the best i can expect, then screw that.
and its not a random noise button... but it isnt that hard to just take something, and put it through a shitload of effects.
what are you doing thats so great? you play other peoples music on the radio. whopdee fucking do.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-16 12:22 [#00482466]
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oh yeah, and britney spears has a signed contract. so that argument means shit to me.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-16 12:25 [#00482469]
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When you're all poplular and stuff and people ask you for interviews, you'll be able to tell of your awesome days on the xltronic messageboard and your epic feuds with titsworth.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-12-16 12:26 [#00482472]
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you sure do like to jump to conclusions! not only do you judge a whole album based on short audio clips (or in the most recent case, a review!), you assume that all i do that's creative is play other people's music on the radio? very incorrect. just because i'm not spamming the board every day with new tracks doesn't mean i don't make music, not to mention several other creative endeavors i'm not about to discuss with you (why bother?). i'm not about to degrade myself further so let's say "you win."
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-16 12:26 [#00482473]
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wouldnt waste my time
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-16 12:28 [#00482477]
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ok, fair enough, i dont know what you do.
but for you to bitterly attack me.
theres no fucking excuse for it.
none at all.
your a pretentious asshole.
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Anus_Presley
on 2002-12-16 12:29 [#00482479]
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FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-16 12:35 [#00482488]
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I prefer Boyd Rice/NON to Merzbow
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-16 12:44 [#00482498]
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oh dear this is all getting out of hand..
look, what you call noise Zeus, is still music, and if you don't like it, don't buy it/listen to it.
thats all there is to it.
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-16 13:15 [#00482533]
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Wheres the toilet people?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-16 13:16 [#00482534]
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i never said it wasnt music.
i merely voiced my opinion on the matter, and opened up a discussion for it.
it wasnt getting out of hand, untill titsworth, out of no where attacked me.
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Anus_Presley
on 2002-12-16 13:24 [#00482543]
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but is it music? noise does not mean music. me hitting a table is not music but its noise.
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