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if it's music to somebody, it's music. noise is not not music. |
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Anus_Presley > if you hit the table with a good rhythm, it can become a beat for a song... maybe :) merzbow made a track with a door. |
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to me its not. its just noise. |
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arre but thats differrent. |
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Hitting the table in various ways to create tone is music.Hitting it once is not. Muisc.(noun):The art or sience of combiming vocal or percussive (or both) to produce beauty of form,harmony,and expression of emotion. |
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doesn't matter. |
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what doesnt. |
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imo, if something doesn't sound musical to a person, that doesn't mean that it is not music. i don't know that i hear music when i listen to this stuff, but i don't proclaim it not music. i just try to appoach such things with a sense that i have an subjective point of view, as do we all. |
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all music is noise, this music is just noisier than most, still music depending on your perception. personally I like some of it, its definately not for most people. |
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That about sums it up. |
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everything is music. |
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orr not |
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There's noise and there's noisy, it's easy for someone not familiar with the style not to be able to tell the difference. A lot of the music I make these days is noise. I started out making ambient stuff, but if you push the envelope of that style far enough you end up in noise territory. |
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wow zeus, I never would have thought you would say stuff like this about noise. Noise music is branching out and evolving as we speak. there is loads of different styles, glitch noise, hardcore/drill noise (gabber), just plain ol noise. "And dont get me wrong, Im all up for crazy sounds etc (see my last peice "5 Interconnected Passageways)... but I mean... just a wave of white noise.... come on. " "but like... making white noise music is not hard. Not hard at all" The day when you make something even CLOSE to making orange things.... or a decent rhythmic noise track... is the day I eat my shoe and choke on it. Making GOOD noise is not easy to do zeus. There is good noise like squarepusher and venetian snares, and alec empire....... and then there is bad noise like the new thing released on warp. " "i dont know what to do to be the next innovator... i know... ill make pure noise music!" Its been around for a while man...... early avante garde music. You just have to have an open mind, everything you said about noise music, you could say about any genra of music. For instance "I dont like ambient music because its just these dull long tones.... dooooooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Over and over agian, its like, hey lets be ground breaking, lets make the most minimal ambient music.... the way you described noise, you could put down any genra like that. I think you just got pissed because you heard the shit track playing on the warp site, and then decided you dont like noise. Confield is awesome. I cant believe you dont like it. I think this is all pretty funny and ironic comming from a person that makes minimal/avant garde ambient music. |
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i been listening to that satanstornade clip for like an hour, its just awesome im awaiting my copy :) |
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you totally misread all of my posts. i said i love autechre and SP. i said noise works in certain conext. the noise im refering to is, long drones of white noise. no melody. no rythem... just loud static. please go back and reread my posts. |
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nah noise is easy easy easy to make, just set up a Max patch with a noise~ object, make the breakpoint short or long, add some reverbs and delays, program the beat in, and you have noise, its one object, and you don't really even do much wave manipulation because its already done for you, its not detailed, its sloppy, and you can just compress it to make it sound like you know what your doing and are in controll. straight up noise smack is for the weak. weak programmers that is, if you like the sound, then have at it! |
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yes I read them before I posted my post zeus. |
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obviously you didnt "Confield is awesome. I cant believe you dont like it. I think this is all pretty funny and ironic comming from a person that makes minimal/avant garde ambient music. " |
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"nah noise is easy easy easy to make, just set up a Max patch with a noise~ object, make the breakpoint short or long, add some reverbs and delays, program the beat in, and you have noise" GOOD noise, is NOT east to make. Just like anygood music. People are talking so much shit on here its ridiculous. *goes out to play in the rain* |
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The moment musicians are defined as good or bad dependng on their programming skill is the day this style of music disappears completely up its own arse. There are enough styles for everyone to get what they want, and it is not constructive to say shit like you hope this style isn't the future of electronic music. It should be part of the future of electronic music like all the other styles currently being developed. Electronic music is a constant progression and expansion and from day one I have enjoyed the ride. Wanna buy a monkey? |
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HAhaha, this is funny, because confield hardly has any melodies and its almost the exact thing you are describing.... "the noise im refering to is, long drones of white noise. no melody" I find this all pretty ironic and silly. |
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there is lots of melody in confeild as well as rhythm |
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But in many peoples eyes repeatition = melody...not in my eyes...in my eyes I have glass marbles...wanna buy a monkey? |
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when it comes to electronic music i do judge people on their skills. don't get me wrong, if a song has a beautiful melody, but shitty production, i will still dig it, but it helps when everything is precise and in control, and a lot of this depends on the artists ability to control their sound. |
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you mother fucker. |
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please name me ONE track on confield that is just noise with no rythem or melody. just SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH like putting a radio on a nonexistant station. there isnt one. its all structured. this Satanstronade crap is just long drones of SSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH no rythem at all. and im not even talking about a "groove" there is no percussive elements. nothing expressive. its just one constant long drone of white noise, just being filtered here and there. |
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"But in many peoples eyes repeatition = melody...not in my eyes...in my eyes I have glass marbles...wanna buy a monkey?" I want a monkey! Can I have a pink one? |
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i knew exhore was goin to pop up sometime. well hey man, at least im not jumpin in on all the hype and "cliching merzbow" |
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Don't they teach you how to spell rhythm on your music major or whatever the fuck it is you do |
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its not really important to me. |
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lol |
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Lets just all agree that every form of music is good in its own right.... and move on Lets stop this bickering and play some checkers! Karate Ninja moves, battling the forces for ownership of the galexy.... I just wanna play checkers, one and together.... Yay! |
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Rhythm's not important to you? Then why did you start this fucking topic? |
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SUCK DICK MORON! HAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA okay that was fun, but yea, zeus, i back ya up on this one, hellz yea |
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this isn't about music anymore, zeus, its about presentation. |
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i know only a few of you will know what i meant by this. |
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It is good to see you remember your pops favourite phrase to you before he ran off with your sister and had your aunt/little sister. |
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rarn, 'dissing' will not solve anything. |
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no, it doesnt matter to me how I spell it. and yeah, when you really get down to it, everything is music, and everyone has their own preferences... i was merely stating my personal preference. I hardly think im the first to ever do that on these boards. Excuuuuuuse me. no ex, i didnt pick up on that. care to elaborate? |
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this thread was an act of stupidity. i respect your opinion zeus, but re-read your first post on the thread. |
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"It is good to see you remember your pops favourite phrase to you before he ran off with your sister and had your aunt/little sister." HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! MY GOD! Someone here is on FIRE! calm down turbo... hahahah1! |
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It is about how you present your arguement...poeple have not been putting there point across in terms of music but responding to other peoples methods of presenting their view points. And it has got to the stage where twats are telling cunts to suck dick. |
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"rarn, 'dissing' will not solve anything." AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH oh man. whew. that was halarious. |
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"you mother fucker." isn't a diss. mother fucker. |
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"i was merely stating my personal preference. I hardly think im the first to ever do that on these boards. Excuuuuuuse me. " hahahaha, I think EVERYONE was stating their opinion on here, no ones opinion is higher or greater then anyone else's, and never will be (even if its from afx himself). Thats whats great about this place... people with open minds who want to discuss things. Yay! |
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yeah and neither is every other thing youve said about me. |
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It's only a diss if it isn't true... |
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people change, mother fucker. i changed, mother fucker. people fucking change sometimes, or atleast intelligent people. |
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