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no no..it's not one of those silly versus competition threads..just an observation...I like going to the local record shops and trying just about everything on the listening booths.. lately the mainstream Electronica releases I am hearing are leaving me somewhat more impressed than they used to..a lot more innovation and effort going into these than there used to be..okay I will name names TIMO MAAS-Loud Oakenfold-Bunkka Herbert (Anything by him really) Roots Manuva (I know he's more Dub Hop) New Flesh (I know it's Hip Hop but listen to backing tunes) The Degree of creativity and skill used on these releases if I had to put to a chronology..I will put at WARP circa 1994/1995... so is Electronica catching up to IDM?.. I think we need more releases like Gantz Graf to keep a sense of IDM forging onwards and ahead..otherwise the Superstar DJ's are snapping at the heels.. ok that's my two (fill in with your own minimum value coins) worth what do you think? |
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What till AFX's next release. You'll see there is no catching up to Richard. |
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OK , In Selectadisc (my fav store) all warp/Rephlex are in the "Electronica" section In no stores round here are there references to IDM. In fact, the only references to "Intelligent" in music genres that I've come across off this board , was the "Intelligent Drum & Bass" phenomenon c1994; Bukem et al.. I always think more of electronica being stuff like Kraftwerk, Jarre, Glass, Eno etc.. What about Laurent Garnier ? whats that ? I like that stuff. But its not IDM. Or is it ? I can't help but feel this is a worthy thread but I'll pass 'cos I'm becoming totally confused :/ |
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i always just thought IDM and electronica were 2 interchangeable names for the same type of music, I mean, some people consider AE, AFX, BOC to be IDM, when really I would never even attempt to dance to it. Others consider it electronica... I too am severely confused. :) |
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"In no stores round here are there references to IDM." That is because 'IDM' is a stupid term. |
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I don't consider the two interchangeable. I won't go anywhere near electronica. IDM blew me away because it was a form and style I had never heard. It was music, different. |
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you don't work in there do you? |
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earthleakage> Yes... why, do you ? :D shit, that would be freaky !!! actually, no I don't ( that was nearly funny.heh) |
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in our local shop they refer to idm as aphex twin or warp like music about electronica- i've been listening to jeff mills, luke slater, laurent garnier, sven vath and many other djs as well lately im totally into ambiental music-stuff like biosphere, pete namlook older rdj albums-this is a genre for the future imo |
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I just call it electronic music, which is also a silly term, but I have to call it something.. |
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i was ignorant adn didn't read the previous threads, so i appologize if i am repeating! IDM is just the catch phrase for electronica, isn't it? and a dumb one at that! and matthew herbert house! his latest falling into jazy house. and his shit is da bomb for sure, no matter what category he is in! i see jeff mills in the previous thread, and i don't think he is electronica or IDM either, more tek based i think. but what do i know! all that i know is that i can't get into his stuff>?it sounds so juvenile to me, yet he is always coming of as this 'artist musician' especially with metropolis, which was one of the biggest let downs ever! no offence! just my opinion! if i listed my records, i know i would get the same response form many! and there have been a few times that i have! |
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well.. i tend just to refer to it all as 'electronic'... but yeah..ive noticed in a lot of mainstream hip hop...the production is actually quite good... i agree..a lot of it is reminiscent of mid 90's warp |
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if you like herbert...then you should check out slicker too...nice glitchy house.. hes also the owner of hefty records, i believe.. |
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I thought they were the same thing like Bre is a soft cheese but still cheese which is still food. |
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I call it stuff, I don't like the term electronica...typical Americans defining a term for music they didn't invent. And IDM is the most stupid term ever created...what makes it so fucking intelligent? I wouldn't even attempt to define a genre for it, it is too diverse. It is all just music. |
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I don't really know what the term "electronica" implies I just call IDM and all the other electronic music I listen to "electronic music" |
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I saw a video by Oakenfold on Muchmusic the other day. 'Ready Steady Go'', I think? Pretty much... crap. I'm not familiar with that kind of ''dance'' techno, admittedly... but if Oakenfold is one of the guys ''nipping'' at IDM's heels, well, I'm not worried. IDM is a fucking dumb term, by the way... I just use it because, well, it's established and you know what I mean when I use that hideous term. |
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why is the term idm so maligned? it's just a label. sure it does stand for 'intelligent dance music' but you can generally ignore that. the meaning placed on the label comes from what it describes. it's like the american flag. it has all these stripes and stars that actually have literal meaning, but the actual meaning of the flag is much more than that. do you think "the stars stand for the 50 states and the stripes are for liberty and blah blah blah" whenever you see an american flag? no, you think of the country, the united states of america, and everything that means to you. you could change the american flag to a picture of scooby doo and it would still have the same meaning. so I guess what I'm trying to say is to stop getting hung up over what the acronym stands for. the acronym isn't important. 'idm' is a symbol. and it's a widespread one which makes it very useful. |
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IDM just sounds like a pretentious joke...... a snobbish contradiction... yeah, i know, what do you call it then... could you imagine indie-type rockers calling themselves "intelligent rock music... or non-mainstream hiphop calling itself "intelligent rap"... ? |
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ever heard of 'post rock'? these terms don't bother me. as long as we both know what we're talking about then it's okay. |
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actually, most 'popular' forms of electronic music were invented in america... but they were given names like 'house' and 'techno' 'electronica' is the blanket label all forms of potentially profitable forms of electronic music were given back in the mid 90's when it was deemed 'the next big thing' |
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+'electronica' is the blanket label all forms of potentially profitable forms of electronic music were given back in the mid 90's when it was deemed 'the next big thing' + thank you wayout.. um..okay i will clarify a bit further.. IDM to me stuff mostly on warp/rephlex/skam/planet mu/Schematic/milleaux plateau..exceptions exist ofcoarse..like some of the stuff on Ninja Tune/Mo Wax etc..Blue Planet..and heaps of smaller labels..but generally you get the Idea.. Electronica is more commercial appeal has a bigger audience sells records in millions that sort of thing.. Fat Boy Slim, Chemical Brothers, Prodigy,Massive Attack, Leftfield, Apollo440, Oakenfold, Van Dyke, Goldie.. I know it's a generalisation..and it traverses several genres but so does IDM.. as far as Laurent Garnier is concerned..yeah he is tricky feller..Unreasonable Behaviour is basically IDM is my book.. |
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Don't see why electronica should be lumped with a definition including "more commercial" -- makes IDM seem even More fucking elitist. |
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IDM doesnt sell all that well except for the biggest names.....the artists are poor and struggling..keeping dayjobs..i dont see what's so elitist about that... |
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As for me, I really don't give a fuck how to call it - we can call it shit, and it will still blow us away. Just an observation: term "Electronica" seems to be more useful when talking to lamers ("Oh, I like Britney Spears, and you?" - "I'm into Electronica." - "Wow!!! Sounds great!"). Those people can't get what IDM is. As to IDM, it's more usable with advanced ppl (like ones here), cause, as we see, people tend to call Jeff Mills an electronica, although he definitely represents Detroit minimal techno trend... IDM term is more specific for us freekin' geeks... :) My 2 cents |
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Well the same goes for "electronica" and all other genres.... obviously apart from the big names, the others don't make much money from it, and make their cash through tours and the like. |
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A lot of electronica is created with easy access in mind and there is nothing wrong with that. A lot of IDM is created with some inaccessible complex elements woven into it. Come on you cant tell that there is virtually no difference between a Chemical Brothers inspired song and a Squarepusher inspired one. |
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I wouldn't, but I don't really consider the Chemical Brothers as being electronica - I think we two just have a differing definition of electronica in mind is all. BTW, i hate the Chemical Brothers so you chose a good example :D |
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