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WeaklingChild
from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-24 20:03 [#00283529]
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right, this has been playing on my mind for ages now. What do you call this sort of music? eg:aphex, squarepusher, plaid, brothomstates and so on.
i myself tend to just call it electro, but i've heard loads of other names like experimental and the one i detest, idm.
so, like, what do u call it?
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 20:04 [#00283531]
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::straps bomb on self for self-destruction::
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2002-06-24 20:05 [#00283532]
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I'm sick and tired of all these terms! I'm just gonna call it:
AM
amazing music!
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wildrover
from springfield (United States) on 2002-06-24 20:06 [#00283534]
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call it what it is, great shit to listen to!
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 20:07 [#00283537]
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dammit I hear this so often. I don't even call it that, I call it by artist. otherwise I call it music and I call everything else either "shit" or "top 40 bullshit". though I do like Tool, Soundgarden and a couple other top 40 folks.
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-06-24 20:08 [#00283539]
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If it's not Scottish, it's crrrrrrap!
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 20:09 [#00283540]
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at least the dullness problem is cured
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uzim
on 2002-06-24 20:13 [#00283545]
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(how many topics about this 'idm' term... -_-)
okay, well i just call it idm and don't tell people what 'idm' stands for, unless i tell them how stupid and maladjusted it is. 'idm' sounds good when you don't know what it means! :)
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2002-06-24 20:21 [#00283548]
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yeah, but I prefer to call it electronica just because if you tell someone its IDM, they ALWAYS want to know what that stands for, so then you have to tell them anyway, and I really don't like what the term IDM stands for.
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nene
from United States on 2002-06-24 20:25 [#00283550]
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weird electronic music.
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Junktion
from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2002-06-24 20:28 [#00283554]
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nu-electronic!!!
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uzim
on 2002-06-24 20:30 [#00283556]
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only one person so far asked me about what idm stood for... i guess they aren't curious... :)
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 20:33 [#00283558]
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I hate using the word "electronic" or "electronica" to describe the music I listen to though...it makes it sound so Hollywood or something. I mean, listen to SAW2 and then tell me that "electronica" is an apt term for that sort of music... it's just more artistic than most popular music.
besides, your average boy band, pop princess, or hip hop thug of today is likely to have more expensive electronic gear than your average basement producer of whatever it is we listen to.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-24 20:39 [#00283562]
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saw2 is not idm
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 20:42 [#00283565]
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no, it's not. but it's Aphex, and Aphex is associated with IDM. and should we associate SAW2 with a different term? I definitely wouldn't call SAW2 "new age" and considering the other "ambient" I've heard, I'm hesitant to call it that, despite its title.
why this incessant need to categorise, anyway?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-24 20:45 [#00283568]
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i don't like to categorise music its just music i like and music i dislike
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 20:57 [#00283584]
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aw well, i just call it idm. i'm too frustrated with questioning the ethics behind the term.
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handoverthecart
on 2002-06-24 21:52 [#00283648]
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call it "experimental electronic"
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2002-06-24 21:58 [#00283654]
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IDM is a crap name. I mean, you should try to fucking dance to autechre and you'll see it's not intelligent DANCE music at all. It's stupid to call it dance music!
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uzim
on 2002-06-24 22:05 [#00283660]
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we all know that... :)
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WeaklingChild
from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-24 22:41 [#00283678]
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i kinda like "experimental". Makes it sound deeper than it really is.
Electro is what i've called it for years (although thats not really correct either...).
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 22:43 [#00283683]
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why do you guys want to call it electronic so bad?
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WeaklingChild
from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-24 22:46 [#00283688]
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i just dont like it being described as dance music even if it is "intelligent" considering all the braindead shit that people class as dance music eg:Judge Jules, Paul Oakenfold.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-06-24 23:00 [#00283703]
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Some of this ''electronic'' music can sound so organic, though... I don't like the words ''electronic'', ''dance'', ''IDM'', but realistically, they ain't going anywhere. Everything is fucking electronic now.
I'll continue to call IDM ''IDM''... but I LOATHE to explain what it stands for to people... intelligent dance? Jesus, pretentious AND cheesy.
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 23:04 [#00283707]
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me neither. when I hear "electronica" I think of said braindead shit, also Prodigy, Crystal Method, Juno Reactor (see : Mortal Kombat Theme), and anything "electronic" which is emotionless, uncreative, and trendy sounding.
isn't "electronic" music a misnomer? as Autechre said, Frank Sinatra could be considered electronic - is not a microphone electronic? a turntable? an electric guitar? amplifiers? speakers?
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 23:06 [#00283710]
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yeah. I usually just call it "skronk", even though it's an industrial term. if that title doesn't fit (and it usually doesn't), then it's just fucking "music".
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-24 23:08 [#00283714]
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how about....
Unde
cause it's... undescribeable
and also... underground
and...
yeah
no that sounds like 'Indie'
shut up Jar
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-24 23:09 [#00283715]
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And it's INdescribeable (sp)
TWAT!
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 23:44 [#00283763]
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let's seek out and harass the person who coined the term in the first place, shall we? if that doesn't work, i've kno where there's a handsome cache of explosives >=D
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 23:51 [#00283770]
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I think it was actually pinpointed to this message on a usenet group in like 1997...methinx someone had the link on here at one point (maybe it was soulseek)
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2002-06-25 01:20 [#00283859]
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Jarworski: LMAO, you kill me man :) and you changed your avatar!! THANK YOU SO MUCH! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU *crawls to jarworski's feet and begins kissing them* =p
License: okok so electronica is a shitty term, but im just shit out of answers then. From now on music will just be known as music. (yeah right, try telling that to anyone else and they'll be like "no man, there are like, genres and stuff")
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bagpuss606
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-18 00:46 [#00313515]
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There's an instinct that many people have to try and classify stuff. Well, if you're going to, at least try and make sure the genre name gives you some idea what the music's going to sound like.
My fave names: Glitchcore, Grindcore, Drill & Bass. They say "Don't listen to this unless you're well weird or partially deaf."
But IDM really is a shit name. I watched Aphex this Glasto and the set was blinding but pretty fucking far from "Intelligent". And the only person who could dance to it seemed to be having an epileptic fit.
I don't know if this goes for the rest of you but I find that when someone asks me "What music do you like?", my answer of "Aphex..." etc. either marks the beginning of a long conversation or the end of a short one.
So who needs genres anyway?
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-18 00:55 [#00313525]
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..."And the only person who could dance to it seemed to be having an epileptic fit." classic !!!
What pisses me off is that people assume everyone likes "IDM" as a bag.
some so-called IDM artists are nothing like Aphex and I'd rather listen to Bob Marley, he being far more intelligant than they (posthumously of course= :)
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-18 00:58 [#00313530]
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(people who speak of intelligence ought to spell it right smokey you half-cut arse .) :D
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-07-18 01:53 [#00313608]
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how often is this brought up
if this resumes i am going to use my lightsaber >=(
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OK
on 2002-07-18 05:49 [#00313822]
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it's punk.
it's the equivalent to punk music in this age.
but the 'punks' of this age are apathethic.. and instead of trying to change society they become parasites of it.
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hedphelym
from Montreal (Canada) on 2002-07-22 09:02 [#00319452]
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Definitly not punk. Electro is what old skool brakers would dance to. And Tiga (from Montreal) has started this big new electro scene in Germay. I used to call it classic British techno, but that would include orbital,fsol,etc., Now IDM is good. I suggest that we never tell a single person what it stands for, and claim the meaning was forgotten soon after its creation.
Wdya think guys? Btw, I'v taken an immovane, for my sleep problem, and it's really difficult to concentrate on readin + writing. The words are moving and your avatars are moving, but not in their usual way. I feel like I'mm slowing down...
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halofive
from Seattle, WA (United States) on 2002-07-22 09:29 [#00319472]
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experimental music.
or idm, simply because the name has been established, like it or not. it's not so much that the music itself is "intelligent," but it's more about the process of making it. obviously, not any dumbshit can go an make the kind of music that richard makes. why? because he's fucking brilliant that's why.
some of you have said 'i don't like the term IDM. it's too pretentious' and yet, you may have at one time or another, called such people like Paul oakenfold as 'braindead.' how is that not pretentious?
AND by the way..... i don't know about you, but i ALWAYS dance to RDJ or even autechre. sometimes i find that thing are called what they are called for a reason, like it or not.
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