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I recently got confield, being an autechre fan to begin with, i just think this album is a sloppy boring mess, anyone care to share their opinion on this album? |
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hell no, give it a few more listens is all i can say... i think everything is tight/ interacts on that... the only thing i would call sloppy is bine. but that's just the way it is as far as i can tell. |
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?!?!?!?!?!?!?! *dies of heart attack* |
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it will all fall into place like a tight puzzle once you get over the initial shock, at least it did for me, except bine wich is like a sloppy scrapyard soundtrack. |
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confield is good after a few listens. just like ep7. i just wish they would make something more along the lines of amber or tri repetae. |
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if, for you, 'recently' means shorter than 4 months, then i agree that it sounds like a sloppy mess to your ears. not to me though, it sounds like music with so much texture it's palpable, i can actually physically touch it (well, feels like it anyway)... |
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yes some of the best music EVER imo |
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it's almost as if confield is beyond music. |
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hm, maybe ill give it some more listens before it collects dust ( which was its future before i reconsidered) |
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or let it collect dust for a while and pop it back in your stereo after a month. |
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Sloppy mess? Come on man you should know better than to come posting crap like that. This is one of those albumns that even if you don't like it you can't admit it's not a masterpiece. It didn't rub well with me at first (not for same reasons as most people, I like my shit wierd), but I could tell that it was a great albumn. It is their great original ideas evolving and there style and sound production at it highest quality yet IMO. |
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yes it stretches the definition of music at times..... especially when ur first getting used to it it IS cutting edge |
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sorry for being harsh notice: i did put a question mark rather then an exclamation point or period I just felt it was messy, sounds like they hit record & the cat walked across the keys on their sampler/synth (heh) anyway yeah...ill chcek it out again. Im an AE fan, dont get me wrong, just felt this album was of the weaker sorts |
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cutting-edge, avant-garde, it's got it all! |
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"I just felt it was messy, sounds like they hit record & the cat walked across the keys on their sampler/synth (heh) " Carefull this sounds like those people that hear IDM for the first time. :-) synth? I thought the synth sound was so absent. Or bet yet, integrated perfectly. |
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No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no non on on onono noono nononononohnononnononononononono NOONONONONONONONONON NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I felt the same way for a month or two... and now I think it's one of the best albums EVER. So stick with it, or I'll kick your ass. |
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I tend to agree with you Asche, givin I've listened to the album a number of times, I mean A LOT. Though, that's probaly part due to the fact I only enjoy æ first 3 albums. |
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Cortex: You're absolutely right! It is almost beyond music itself. it's freaky. Confield is compeletly orchestrated right. I always imagined Bine to be an Opera with micro organisms dancing and acting to those strings. It IS very much of an opera song. Two things are happening: motion and music...which sounds completely different from drums and melody. its more action obviously. things are happening and strings are playing along. Its a very emotional track for me sometimes. don't laugh lol. |
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true. |
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i have to be silent for 2 weeks because of my trollishness but now i must comment your statement/question- confiled is the greatest and the most modern album ever made in electronica world. of course it is my opinnion- and the "bine" piece is the most impressive one on this album. confield is cold chaos of the robots empire fall. |
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i also agree it's almost beyond music. confield one of the biggest things to happen in music EVER! it's in a league of it's own. |
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sloppy mess is sort of a good description for confield actually, not a perfect description but adequate since I don't want to bother thinking up any other. Relative to lp5/ep7 and track 4/5 of chichlisuite, and tri rep.. which are all "beyond music" imo, confield is not finished perfectly and flawlessly. Some tracks ponder the reason of their own existence. Autechre are like the final castles in original nes mario's lost levels though, relative to the normal levels of other artists. So even confield is better than most other artist's pointless shit. |
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i still prefer drukqs |
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although, I do appreciate the direction it takes, and the musical limits it redefines |
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it simply doesnt absorb me though, emotionally that is |
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i loved confield! i 'got' it straight away, when i heard of Ae this is what i thought the music was going to be like, much better than anything else theyve done...tho i do admit they have a few crappyer tracks like Bine, i really liked cfern adn parhelic triangle for some reason..... on a related note, listening to Tri repetae again, i managed to find emotion in that song thatstarted ambient..c/pach i think it was....but then the beats started and ruined it :S |
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hm...maybe I need to give it another go. for some reason, I remember all of you guys completely trashing Confield, and if you're all converts now, I must be missing out on something :p |
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confield is an masterpiece :D |
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I liked Confield from the first second on. It is my favourite Ae album. Am i perverted? I like such challenging, complicated, seemingly chaotic but still controlled shit. Every time you listen to it, you discover new angles. It's not just a collection of beats and tunes, it's an envirnment, being almost endless in its complexity and still not a braggadacio of complicated edits. |
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Is bine track 6, or that one that sound like the patterns that would be created with a tornado's spinning debris, if the debris was composed of shapes that magically mutated and changed form and mass... that's my favorite confield track, track 1 kicks ass too. I guess the linear tracks aren't as good I think, not as thinkyamajig. |
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well, I've always liked every bit of Cfern. and Eidetic Casein. Uviol's OK too until they start making weird fart/bonk noises. I liked Lentic Catachresis for the first 20 seconds or so, esp. the supercreepy vocoder voice. I definitely got that "environment" thing from it though, which was cool...it was like the music was taking on a mind of its own, growing to fill up its container. I'll see tomorrow if my brother will let me borrow it. I think I'm going to give it another shot. |
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i got a tenth track named Mcr Quarter (Bonus) its a live track! from someone on soulseek... i was just wondering about it..info etc. |
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exactly: a life of its own: you feel like you are not listening to something crafted but something grown from a seed. Which may well be the case, from some AE interviews I've read, I got that they are a lot into "generative" music: you know, having an algorhythm (spelling?), setting parameters and letting the machine do the rest, waiting to see the results no-one can predict. Much of it must be crap, but some of it is pure gold and they seem to know it. |
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sorta god-like in a way, eh? :) maybe the results would be a lot better with a little "divine intervention"... |
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ae is supposedly the most experimental band in the world and confield is supposedly their most experimental album.....so once youve heard it youll never be surprised by music again |
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license: yes, god-like: hindu religion describes the creation in the very similar terms. But I think, they did intervene (does this word actually exist), that's why the music is so great (to me at least), they never value experimentation more than the final product. Bob: that's a bit preposterous to say (although I see why you say that): weird avantgarde and experimental shit from the 40s, 50s and 60s would still have you shitting your pants in surprise. |
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there's always the future to piss us off with new pointless ways/ideas/inventions in the pointless pseudo"science" of music. Listen to crunch though, they have composition that is different but matches autechre in experimentally detailed masterpieces, like art pylon. Their music mutates a lot. But it always retains a simple prototype of symmetry. |
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yeah, I heard Confield and afterward, hearing Alva Noto for the first time blew my mind. :) and I think you're right, they did intervene. I'm interested in trying some of this on my own; I wish they weren't so damn secretive of their technique! |
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secretive? They actually write their own software to match their aims, not much help would that do to you except if you were after cloning their own sound... wmw: crunch? who are they? |
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i didnt say there would never be any more music that it 'more experimental' than confield, but once u do hear something else u would not be surprised by it, u would be comparing it to confield or some other ae works..... as for the future, i cant see a lot of cahnge from whats already been done, imagination and technology may not have nesseccarely reached their limits yet, but they are winding down, if u get my drift.... |
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I don't think they distribute the software though. I haven't seen it, anyway... yeah, I just did a search for crunch and didn't have much luck...label? album? track? |
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in the 3rd track of confield i could easily recognise the track they sampled and norman cook has used it too.... |
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I think that the argument that we've already discovered everything was made a few decades ago, though, Bob. and I think they were making claims that all we can do now is improve ourselves morally and ethically - the results speak for themselves... |
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haha! I think they used those samples just because it seemed out of character for them. |
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I'm going to go to bed though. wow, looks like I'm only a couple messages away from being an Aged Poppa! |
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bob: check out Francisco Lopez for instance. (a good starting point: www.franciscolopez.net) license: no, they don't but it's a custom-made stuff, for their own purposes, for specific tracks... |
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Crunch (tipper and some guy that doesn't mention his name on the internet often enough for people to remember) label: musik aus strom album: 1 (nullpluze) great tracks in my stupid opinion: art pylon, toe tac tic |
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so what of his stuff do u think i shoold buy as a startin point? |
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bob: that's fucking tough question. His music is almost completely silent: you have to listen to it on headphones and concentrate real well in order to actually hear it. It's real amazing tho, the way you have to strain to hear it really alters the way you hear music (BTW, a lot of his music is just samples of jungle (forest, not genre) - cicadas, flies, rain...), it's like discovering secret places (I almost typed "sacred" there). I have another of his albums that is made of sound of thunder in its entirity. It is difficult to describe just how wonderful that is. |
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I don't understand anyone who is not drawn into track 7 (I forget what it is called). That track is so immaculate. I become oblivious to everything else when I hear it. It is the perfect song. |
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