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hmm, i got this email today from a Martin Kendal: Hi- First of all id like to say that ur email addresses have all been cunningly obtained by me collecting names from endless fwd messages along with record company mailing lists. What follows is a very serious request. If any of you ppl use p2p file sharing systems such as Audiogalaxy, Kazaa, Morpheus etc -then you may be alarmed to discover that RIAA [a group of American record labels] is trying to do what it did to napster - EVERYWHERE. Its starting with Audiogalaxy- Audiogalaxy is in my opinion- the best file sharing system currently available. It has a wider selection than napster ever did and its community features make it a comfortable social outlet. So this is how we hit back. If everyone who uses file sharing [and anyone who doesnt but still cares about the right for ppl to sample music for free] boycotts CD purchase even for a week, then the RIAA will feel the effect. Ppl in the UK [or anywhere] are just as valuable to this cause as the RIAA's influence stretches worldwide. Of course, this boycott would have to be very well timed. I am assisting its chief organiser in publicising it at present and would be incredibly grateful for any help anyone would like to contribute. If you are interested, please, please contact me. I will respons quickly to each email. I will post news of the boycott to everyone who desires it. Thankyou for your support of free music. |
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i've been boycotting CD purchases for several years!! :D |
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"technically felt tip pens should now be made illegal as they contribute to the break down of this copyright protection technology" "members of the on-line community are now actually pushing to make felt tip pen's illegal to prove their point" hahahahahahahaha |
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excellent im in |
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as am i The sooner they get thier heads out of thier arses, the better. |
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...or buy a box of CDRs burn tons of those RIAA hitrecord MP3s on them and loan them to everyone in school, work, etc so they can copy it as well |
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...or just find their HQ address and fly an aeroplane into it |
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and you look so innocent in the photo! |
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in my other childhood photos i look like damien from the omen ;) |
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you already do! ceri reminds me of someone but I can't quite place it |
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Ceri reminds me of roger waters, very slightly, from his early floyd days |
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ayo, ayo, ayo FUCK DAT |
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what bollocks. 'free music'. too many people out there who are used to getting things for free. i don't mind paying for music, the artists have to pay their own rent for fucks sake. maybe all these kids who believe in 'free music' will change their minds once they eventually have to leave mommy and daddies house and pay THEIR own rent for a change. |
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I haven't bought a CD since Pink Floyd's ''Echoes''... then I got a burner, and it's been free music since then... damn right I'm a cold hearted, blood sucking music pirate! Arrrr, matey! |
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Core- "Free" music actually BOASTS cd sales, the industry are a bunch of fuckwits and therefore can't realize this. Instead of working with such downloading software (which will just keep springing up no matter who they sue) to agree on terms and things they waste Court time (Their and artists money not to mention the tax payers) on stupid idiotic attempts like this. As for the record companies loosing money because of file sharing, they aren't.. For one I download music (a few tracks) to check music out first, I usually buy the cds afterwards as I enjoy the feel of having saving and earning good cds. Its not like I download whole albums yet.. I would with cds I could see myself not wasting money on (IE A lot of live records or even RARE cds of indie stuff I couldn't get otherwise) but even then, I'd only do that if I had a cd burner (which I don't at the moment). So as you can see, men in suites tend to blow things out of proportion and furthermore, don't do their research. Now.. Artists loosing money? IN HELL!! Musicians get SHIT ALL For album sales. Seriously, the get a quarter of a cent per every 4 cds they sell (I think it might be even LESS actually).. The record company keep the profits.. Artists get money by gigging and so forth, the industry doesn't work fairly, its been this way for years so.. SCREW IT. There’s a lot of risk involved for musicians even signing with labels, its like taking the worst mortgage out in your life, and that too prevents the industry from taking risks and we, the listeners suffer (getting the same sounding, filtered crap over and over again- sound familiar?!). |
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The industry is getting what it deserves in my view, for all the crap they've put us through, I.E: over priced cds and the change from vinyl to cd. MANY Artists fully agree with this theory because as I said, they get NOTHING from their damn labels. Its all their work, its their art, its separate from this issue because the industry is only interested in its business not its musicians. |
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yeah core, you dumbfuck -- how much of the money do you think the artists see from each sale? not fucking much |
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read this http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/problemwithmusic.html also beware - mp3's are killing your favorite labels - you won't be able to hear any of the music you like in a few years time cos all your favorite artists will be working in offices |
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i just think that people are too bothered about where the money is going, and not bothered about how good the music is! If they, somehow, banned all free music on the net, I'd buy less music in general, because i wudn't hear so much music. It's quite a tough place for the record companies to be in, but they've got to work with it, not against it! |
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Thelonius: LOL you don't know what you're talking about. I work in the music industry, so I am talking from experience. First: The particular kind of music you kids are into is not run by 'men in suits', what a laughable comment. Labels like Rephlex and Warp and Planet-Mu are run as modest operations by enthusiasts, there are no suits involved. please get this ridiculous idea out of your head for a start or I won't take your argument seriously. Second: 'Ophecks' comment above yours freely admits that he doesn't buy music anymore and instead just burns it. So there's one example already to refute your ill-informed claims. Third: 'Thelonius' says "The industry is getting what it deserves in my view, for all the crap they've put us through" - well, I had to stifle a laugh when I read this. 'Thelonius', what crap have independent labels put you through, exactly? Apart from bringing you the most exciting, innovative music of your entire youth? I could go on but I think I've made my point about the whining, spoiled masses of kids like you who think the world owes them everything. For free. Now. Gimme. Wake the fuck up. |
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if i was trying to make a living out of being an artist or an owner of my own record company, i wud not like to see lots of people free loading all the music off the net. But i wud see that the internet is a great advertisement for music. I think I would be a bit bitter about losing out on potential profits, but I wouldn't want to close down the channel of listening on the internet It's really hard to find a point of agreement, but stopping the sharing on the internet seems like communism and free music for all is just unfair to the artists, and would stop people spending all their time making music. |
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"what crap have independent labels put you through, exactly? Apart from bringing you the most exciting, innovative music of your entire youth?" haha, well said core! |
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musicians' profits from the sales of their releases vary depending on the contract they have with their label. most popular acts who have been in the industry for a few years know to wait for the best deal. if a big seller changed labels at any time (nsync, mariah carey) you just know they're making more money than ever. and if you're able to move a million+ units, your profit % is far from modest. as for the electronic labels, obviously that was a dumb comment to make about suits. the people who run the labels are a lot like the artists themselves; in fact, many of the people who run the labels ARE (or were) artists themselves. they sympathize. the artists are usually their friends. they have no interest in reaping 90% of the profit. you can't keep people signed to your label if they're not able to benefit from their own recordings. the overall point is, buying albums helps both the artists you like and the labels that brings you those artists. |
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i dont think i could survive without buying CDs. I like walking out of the shop with a new addition to my collection, and all the artwork too. I've only got copies of really RARE albums, like "Pocketwatch late" by Dave Grohl. Buying the music is also like giving something back to the artists/labels. |
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EXCUSE ME CORE BUT ARE WARP OR ANY OTHER IDM LABELS SUEING AUDIOGALAXY? HELL, NO, therefore all my comments were aimed towards the senseless suites that are.. that was my point, ddduuuuhhhh, these people refuse to work with them and THAT is a laughing matter.. the technology is there, it won't just go away. I said NOTHING of indie record labels. THEY tend to be fair with their contracts THEY tend to earn less money as a whole preferring to actually give it to their musicians, unlike the real INDUSTRY who aren’t. As an obvious conscious indie labels get less of a following and less of the profits that major labels do. I do know what I'm talking about so paahhh, at least READ what I write before attacking me dammit. |
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what is "Pocketwatch late"? i wanna hear dave grohl's "probot" metal album |
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Again, you aren't giving as much as you think to the artists. Not with the 'industry', no, its all karma coming at them.. if they could these are the same people that would use cheap labor to cut back on costs, they would become multi nationals for the profits, they would do all of the above because THEY ARE AN INDUSTRY! Again, I'm not talking about indie labels here as THAT ISN'T THE POINT, they don't have the funds to wage and waste court battles. |
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thelonis punk - how do you know what you are saying is true? but you are still willing to get free music from these indipendents ---- erm? |
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Thelonius, it would be my educated guess that most of what gets 'burnt' from file-sharing programs such as Soulseek and Audiogalaxy is, in fact, on Independent labels. |
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Pocketwatch Late was made mostly in 1994, before, during, and after the death of Kurt Cobain, and the split of Nirvana. He made it with help from Geoff Turner. |
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actually, warp stuff IS blocked on audiogalaxy (tho i don't think they got "sued"), and supposedly warp tried to or is trying to get soulseek to filter out their artists. there was a thread about this a month or so ago. |
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it's probably rare music that is difficult to get hold of because it is made in small quantities and may not be distributed worldwide ie music on idie lablels - |
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huh?! How do I know its true? Because I know how hard it is getting signed, I know how the contractual systems they make you sign work and I know how hard it is to break those contracts..they have their 'artists' or the REAL artists (not the pop ones that actually buy and live by the record companies rules, you know, people like Britney spears who would just as quickly sell themselves to McDonalds to make money) on a tight lease, and they don't care. They're taking fewer and fewer risks these days in place of profits so that VERY soon, in fact NOW, everything on radio 1 sounds the same. They'll come around I believe, when they remember that to make a profit YOU NEED to take risks. |
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Core, I'm not questioning ur honesty of anything, but how r u involved in the music industry? |
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Plus I don't believe the public are TOTAL idiots, they'll realize what they like and the industry will just have to adjust.. eventually..and hopefully. |
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tell me some more about "Pocketwatch late", i totally believe you but i've just never heard of it before (not a huge nirvana fan). was it officially released, did it have a single (radio/video), did it share any songs with self-titled foo fighters, what instruments does grohl play (does he sing too), etc. |
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Thelonius, your beef is with majors. Your type needs to attack majors, and support the indies and in particular the indie bands. There's a fuckload of difference between britney and bola. |
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lonius: so ur arguement is that record labels arent going for 'new sounding' artists, and that is how they are not taking any risks? |
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a lot of warp stuff IS blocked actually yeah.. in fact the only genre that's totally up for grabs is classical music.. That's the only thing that's left untouched.. So I'd imagine a lot of the stuff that gets burnt spans all genres and sub classes.. as I said, I don't even have a burner.. The major record companies are making MORE money off me because I'm able to check out things before I actually truelly buy them. How many people go into a cd shop without first knowing what they're getting into? How would you know where to even start? |
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'mylittlesister' you don't need to see my identification. move along... |
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thelonius the music industry is just that on the whole - industry what you hear on the radio is carefully plotted and planned by marketers and accountants artists are dropped for not getting into the top 3 - thats how it works .... |
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The majors are the ones sueing yes? My beef is with them because they are wasting MY Money. My point is they should WORK with this new technology.. They need not be threatened by inevitable change. |
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boycott ? what a strange word.....Boy-Cott ? whats a Cott ? |
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Pocketwatch late - look for new thread |
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I know how it works..that's why they aren't leaving anything to risk..and true talent is suffering.. along with my ears. The mainstream is crap but the sueing of these programs won't help the indie labels or their artists at all. |
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(Thelonius:) "in fact the only genre that's totally up for grabs is classical music.. " that's because publishing copyright runs out 70 years after the death of the composer. most popular classical music has been written by composers who aint gonna complain about you ripping off their tunes because they're now too busy DEcomposing... |
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the majors need to block mp3's and file sharingbecause it is not accountable - these companies are fucking huge and will sell a label or sublabel at the drop of a hat if it is not doing well. I've worked in sevreal companies that have been taken over by big companies and the company is just an assett - a money making machine... |
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In fact, by sueing these programs indie will suffer.. Because indie isn't as planned and there isn't commercials placed on tv with Aphex twin promoting coke and shit like that how will new people learn of his music? The answer is simple, they won't unless they're able to hear its goodness for itself.. Yeah, most of his stuff is blocked on audiogalaxy..that's the GREAT thing about it though.. you're left with live and rare bootlegs and things that you wouldn't normally be able to hear and if you're new you can still get into him and buy his records later.. Its STUPID stopping this. WORK WITH IT WORK WITH IT WORK WITH IT. That's what they should do. |
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burnt-out thread. astrid, mylittlesister, it's always ultimately going to be a losing battle arguing this point on an 'idm' webforum like this |
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