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having all the equipment i could want i now have to ask myself how i want to go about making my music. what machine do i want to control what and act as what part of the whole. what software do i want to be my main software. i dont know if im asking for advice or just sharing in my delema. i want to keep my music highly live but also very intricate in the drums area which means alot of it would be preprogrammed as well. i have cubase, logic, orion pro, fruityloops, cakewalk sonar to choose from for my MAIN software. a nord lead 2, ms2000r and er-1 to be controlled. ive considered having the er-1 trigger drum tones in recycle while another program sequences my synths. im rambling. |
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er... what language is this? Uh, just ignore me I know next to nothing about music software. |
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just a quick comment: having all kind of equipment makes you search for all kind of errors. instead of... having limited equipments makes you see positive things in what you produce. |
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mm.... the vice of excess eh? i'd use cubase or logic as yer main thing? if you're going to use a bit of midi, then i think overall (tho not significantly) cubase is better at the midi, where as logic excells (ever so slightly) in audio. i'd suggest cubase sx - but that aint out yet! |
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re: drums, i often find it hard doing intricate drums straight off .. so might be an idea to just start off with a basic groove with yer er-1 via cubase?? and then once you've done yer nord and ms2000 stuff (or the general idea) you can go back and work on the drums .. i don't know .. this is how i find meself working most of the time .. i quite rate the midi grid for percussion .. |
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i'll just ramble on anyhow .. tho i'm sure you have your preferred way of doing things. but if you have the drums say? and all the synth stuff recorded as midi in cubase you can then play back each track and modulate the sound (without having to worry bout changing the patterns) - and so you can get a "live" sounding feel or something .. ? dunno .. that's how i'd do it ?? |
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i couldnt get logic to do anything at all for the short while i messed with it. cubase i think i should try again although the crack copy i have sorta gives me the idea its not too stable. i think i agree with the limited equipment comment up there. but im obsessed with having total control and finding the best way i can do what i want. really i could just sync the laptop and the er-1 and maybe pick up a couple guitar effects for live tweaking fun. record all the keyboard parts so i could leave them all at home. but i love them too and i like turning their knobs. |
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Yeah, if you've just got one drum machine program, you're forced to learn to use that as best you can. With several, it's tempting to flit about between them. I'd try doing a track say just using fruityloops to begin with then try doing stuff in the other software gradually, for example maybe using cooledit or another similair porgram for "post production" work. |
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oh .. the er is the red one aye? had a play with the red one a while back - good fun that piece a kit. if you have all that hardware.. might be worth investing in a legit or a more stable version of cubase - here in nz i got a "student" discount on my cubase vst. ending up costing a third it usually would have!! |
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yes i usually have all the drums worked out in one long wav file actually. i use cool edit to take a simple beat and make it a whole song usually trying to make each messure very slightly different. but then i hate the fact that live i would just push play and watch the song happen while i eq and such. im such a complainer... my problem is i come from a live band past and improv is one of my favorite things. but intricate electronic music doesnt leave much room for improv on the level that live bands can. |
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I'd try doing a track say just using fruityloops to begin with then try doing stuff in the other software gradually, for example maybe using cooledit or another similair porgram for "post production" work. thats exactly what i do, fruityloops for a beat and cool edit for post production. |
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mmhh.. if you did the drums via midi - you get a lot more "live" control over the sound .. depending how many fx you put on the sound. either that or use a sampler. I reckon that's the way to go. it will mean the you will have to change the measures in midi which might be a pain and new thing to learn - but i think does make for a more versatile set up? ie. midi triggers er-1, via guitar fx or vst (depending how much your cpu/soundcard can tolerate)? |
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well really so far i just make a beat in fruityloops, tweak it in cool edit, then record any keyboard or drum machine parts i want into the computer and sequence all the wav loops in acid. but like i said that isnt very live. |
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that's cool .. you could also have a multiple audio i/o card - tho i don't know much about this, as i'm a sucker for software/vst based stuff - you could split different audio outs, and have different external efx on each of your audio outs .. ??? - provided you've got enough external efx (does the ms2000 and nord allow to put audio thru it - ??) should have plenty of knobs to "twiddle" .. ? |
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the way I see it, personally ofcourse, is its good to start out on good programs to make music and work your way up to higher quality songs... always improve, try new things..... go out on a limb sometimes... Ill get equipment [hardware] later... months or even a year or two down the road, I wouldnt want to start out on it right away, unless you already know about it, or have started on it all along. |
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this sorta sounds like a possibility. it would have to be a usb audio device. |
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oh i have been building my equipment for a long time and fully understand how all of them work. i understand my programs and my keyboards. just looking for the best way to do what i want more live and not so dj mixer like. |
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mmhh.. u use a laptop eh? i think that might be the way to go .. depending how much variability you want. essentially all you need is to split it - ie. basic track + track you control and fx externally .. otherwise it might be a little too hard to controll all of it .. ie. jumping from one track to the next, twiddling here n there ??? |
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ok .. sweet . didn't mean to come across condecending or patronising .. i just love talking about shit like this .. :) good luck with yer set up .. |
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i think maybe im just over thinking it, i should just do it and see what i end up doing in the end hehe. |
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trial and error has its merits! |
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i´ve got tons of good and strange software. but i mainly use mt2, probeVAS, cooleditpro, granulab and a couple of others. i use to get my software collection burned to a cd once in a while and then delete them from my pc and collect new ones. thats lots of fun. http://zebox.com/mikro12/music http://www.geocities.com/mikro12records |
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what is mt2? |
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you can sequence all your hardware from fruity loops + use vst synths + write all your drum parts. why dont you use that seeing as you allready have an understanding of it. i use fruity to play live. it plays the drums, sequences my 3 synths, plus i can tweak various vsti's live using my midicontroller. the possibilitys are endless!!!!!! thorpe |
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well, im also a little hung up on being professional. and ive never completed a song souly using fruityloops that was that good. i always use other programs as well. |
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I used to be maaad prolific when all I knew how to use was 10 or 20 programs. Now that I use about ten times that ammount, it takes me forever to finish anything. But the output is definately of a higher quality. |
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don't think, just play at random for a start, and let that evolve into something more structured and serious if it needs to. start with any piece of equipment that comes to mind, it's not so important. |
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i hear ya, i sorta do that now. |
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i went thru stages of software, starting with a piece of total crap and working my way up - now i am an expert in using shit music software |
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Complete a song in fruity, and just put a lot of effects in "main", switch them on and play around. perhaps you should consider singing, so it looks like you do something with your music live. |
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actually vocals is something im interested in getting into recorded if not live. im also considering hooking up with someone else who could basically do what i tell them to :) keyboards maybe even guitar and vocals. "now i am an expert in using shit music software" i hear that, ive been using fruityloops since the first version as well as moonfish and such as that. i only recently got pro stuff |
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