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How would describe your political orientation today? Personally, i always considered myself left leaning, but lately i came across people who also considered themselves leftists, and who are not willing to exchange any resonable arguments. That i find amazing, cuz i always thought the left would be open to debate. But this is not the case. There are people on the left, who live in total intellectual isolation. They will not consider other people arguments or opinions. The thought, that their opinions may be wrong, doesn't cross their mind. I totally detest these people. I truly hate them, and i am starting to hate the whole left as a result of this. This hatered is very strong, but there is no other political current that i might feel at home, except maybe the libertarians. What about you? |
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omnivorous |
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sounds like the people you are referring to aren't actually that politically motivated, they are just in it to project an air of intellectual superiority. I'm sure there are plenty of left orientated thinks who aren't so rigid thinkers. |
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neo's learning something. |
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Leeeaning left, I suppose- possibly statistically- but I also realize that political genres are like musical genres-- they're bullshit and meant to take away from the beauty that is true IDM Lazer. Believing that political affiliations mean anything or can solve anything, is like believing that drum n bass is everything and can solve all musical problems. Doesn't fucking make sense. And in a general sense, politics exist to put ideals into categories; ideals that are meant to support an infrastructure that I don't believe is fundamentally correct. All I know is that I am a citizen of Earth, and it's a fucking shame that I can't live that way. Gaia is so sad right now. |
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Its just a label of convenience, usually an indicator of how uptight you are as an individual, so yeah its all a bit of an antiquated concept that the media use to make nice pie charts, but doesn't really have a basis in the real world. |
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I very much want some level of guaranteed social security for all, and strong regulations to prevent people being fucked over by employers and to limit environmental degradation. But when it comes to most economic issues I am probably minarchy-leaning (not libertarian). I genuinely think the world would be a fairer place with less state interference in the economy, since corruption, monopolies, lobbying, inflation from money printing, limited liability, regulatory capture and public money wasted on bank bailouts would be almost impossible then. A lot of the time, Big Business only fucks people over because the state enables it to. I have slightly unorthodox economic views - I think that in developed societies, a steady-state with no economic growth is an eventual inevitability. Once the economy has produced everything we NEED (which it has in the developed world, almost by definition), then the potential for growth is much reduced. State interference constantly pushes for more growth, since it is perceived that we need it whereas actually we probably don't need or want it. To be fair an end to growth would probably be good in an environmental sense too. So that is another reason I want the state to fuck off out of economics. I'm probably like Christopher Hitchens in that I lean towards individualism while also thinking Marx was pretty insightful and damn clever. |
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The left likes to twist language, examples are 'verbal violence' or 'islamophobia'. This is the horseshit they argue with. But since words and physical violence are one and the same, next time you meet a leftie, just punch him in his face and do not exchange any arguments. He will understand this. |
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Also I despise nationalism and religious-nationalism. There's nothing wrong with patriotism, having a religion or having pride in a group you belong to - but there is no logical reason why it need be associated with politics |
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Most people are conservative by nature, but political conservatism hardly reflects this, and It's not really indicative of our progressive adaptive nature. I'd like to idealize social libertarianism, and to see top down systems of govt dismantled. They are costly and inhibit individual actualization of liberty |
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I never understood this either. I have no emotional connection to the place of my birth or the nation i grew up in. Anarchism seems like a good idea too, anarchocapitalism...why not |
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libertariians are left wing. but you know this. so why do you separate the two? |
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I am a fairly classical objectivist, albeit that I recognise a very small number of "natural monopolies", as opposed to claiming that there ought to be absolutely none, other than law, as purists would claim. It is probably the most misunderstood and misrepresented political ideology that I have come across. In particular, you hardly ever get the underlying philosophical principle attacked (largely, because they are so sound and there aren't any established, trite arguments that a half-bright liberal arts student can learn by rote to attack them). I can see why imbeciles who are incapable of independent rational thought frequently mistake it for a cult. It is also perhaps the most commented on by people who either haven't read it, or at least, haven't understood it. I actually read Marx, as well as the work of Marx's detractors before reaching the conclusion that it was A Bad Idea. It is a shame Rand's detractors do not show the same courtesy. I do not agree with Obama on many things, but I previously respected him and did not consider him a fool, until I read his comments on objectivism. This article does a good job of dismantling the attack. If that article is TLDR, I think it can be summarised neatly as follows, "I can almost one hundred percent guarantee something right here and now. President Obama's only connection to Rand is probably that of a secondhand introduction through some liberal professor who chose to simply judge Rand's vision according to words like "selfishness" and "capitalism." from (which otherwise, is nowhere near as good as the Forbes article). |
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if ur objectivism why are u a mod.... |
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from wikipedia Objectivism's central tenets are that reality exists independent of consciousness i guess that explaisn why objectism is so out of touch with reality lol |
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you boring bastard |
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a while ago, i realized it's NOT about what's best, or even what's rational. no, it's about people finding a tribe and sticking together + pushing their agenda as a group, and fuck everyone else. until it sinks in that we're all on the same team, it's not worth your breath to argue any sort of political position whatsoever. |
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Haha! |
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its called a zing i guess its 2 advanced for u |
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Pretty good summation of how I feel, 99% of it is mind chaff and semantics, the problem with political discussions is how they often descending into philosophical ramblings that have no actual foundation in reality, can be quite interesting sometimes though. |
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goes down to the fact that emotion always trumps rationality. when the populace is poorly educated, it is also quick to anger, and thus easily manipulated. everyone just stews in a haze of trigger words like "abortion" and "god." |
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and both the "left" and the "right" are equally bad on this, i should note. |
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this is quite interesting |
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sorry, but i find that to be complete horseshit without even getting a full minute in |
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i dunno, it's not that it's wrong so much as i am incredibly fed up of know-it-all british voiceovers that claim to have all the answers. |
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Yes the first minute makes it look like the typical conspiracy loon shit but its not. |
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yeah the accent can sound condescending I appreciate but they do have pretty good editorial standards at the beeb, even if they do have a perceived 'left' agenda, at the least they make interesting stuff |
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a few more minutes in, and this sounds like patronizing horseshit. i should believe in religious bullshit because it is a "necessary evil?" is this going to be debunked after another few mins? in end sum this is a real huge waste of my time and i'm bailing |
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its just showing the conservative mindset is over there, its not condoning it. If you watch snippets of documentaries out of context of course it will seem like bullshit, but if its not your thing then thats fine |
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you don't get it. i wasted a good few minutes on it and every minute was boring shite that offered absolutely nothing new or revelatory to my perspective. given that my life is ending one minute at a time, i decided i didn't want to spend it on this crap anymore. k? |
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that feeling you get when you read some academic pdf whitepaper and the five-page intro is waxing poetic about a bunch of shit you could mumble off in your sleep; chap is clearly delighted he has small mug around something and wants you to know it full well |
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Fair enough |
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You dont have to justify yourself, it is stuffy, long winded and I only watched half of it myself, that could just as well be an apt description of what i think of politics myself, I should have avoided this thread. |
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i'm getting flashbacks to and . |
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You know what I really hate about German lefties? All the Atomkraft Nein Danke crap. It's nothing more than a bullshit phobia, even worse than the anti shale gas bullshit. I want to tear my hair out whenever I read about the Energiewende. Germany are shifting to renewables - this is entirely commendable. But they are doing it for the most ridiculous reason ever. They should be doing it to decarbonise their energy supply. But they are actually doing it to replace their nuclear plants WHICH ARE COMPLETELY PISSING FINE THERE IS NOTHING FUCKING WRONG WITH THEM YOU IGNORANT KRAUT CUNTS so the net effect in 30 years will be exactly the same CO2 emissions as before lol If they pushed for renewables AND kept their nukes they could decarbonise half of Europe, help Poland kick its coal habit etc. But no apparently it's more important to cater for the medieval fears of the fucking sausage muncher masses who apparently have less collective intelligence than a stillborn dog fetus with like 5 extra chromosomes |
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I agree. It is a form of nationalism if you are so scared about the envioroment. And i don't mean rational concerns about certain dangers of nuclear energy, but pure german angst! These german lefties are the worst of the worst, especially all the israel haters. |
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If Atari Teenage Riot was a political party, I'd support them. |
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"a stillborn dog fetus with like 5 extra chromosomes" you just made me laugh. i'm having a fucking existential crisis now |
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Hi-5 for existential crisis. I guess we need more Hi-NRG. |
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