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idle interloper
on 2014-03-12 20:34 [#02468911]
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Is there some good stuff I'm missing? Does RDJ just have these artists signed out of narcissism? Or does he figure that if the acts sound enough like him, the rumors will spread that he was the one who made the music, leading to sales?
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drill rods
from 6AM-8PM NO PARKING (Canada) on 2014-03-12 20:46 [#02468913]
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Not at all. Astrobotnia and Bochum Welt sound like 1st rate RDJ!
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hangjas
from Netherlands, The on 2014-03-12 21:29 [#02468917]
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Why does everything on Creme Org sound like 3rd rate Legowelt?
Why does everything on Unique Leader sound like 3rd rate Deeds Of Flesh?
etc etc etc
Except for maybe the older BW stuff, I'd say it doesn't. If anything, they're the most diverse label around imo.
It's just that afx paved the way for a whole new generation creating a new subgenre which new artists can expand upon and add their own flavours, like EOD or JK. Isn't it pretty logical for a label to release music that has the same braindancey vibes?
Rephlex is pretty unique as a label as in it's all over the place (haven't you heard Dwayne Omarr, Victor Gama, Freakwincey, Hecker, Pierre Bastien, Gentle People, Leila, Slipper, Like A Tim, Leo Anibaldi, Voafose, Peter Green, Robert Normandeau, The Criminal Minds, etc. etc. etc.?) but still has a cohesive vibe to all of the music they put out? I don't see many labels getting out of their comfort zone like that.
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RussellDust
on 2014-03-12 21:39 [#02468918]
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I doubt he's heard much of the relases you mention. Maybe he has though and this is a wind up.
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idle interloper
on 2014-03-12 21:54 [#02468920]
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I admit this sort of was intended as a wind up, thinking someone would prove me wrong. I have almost everything Rephlex released on an old hard drive.
I should have said their more recent stuff is what usually sounds like Richard. I mean stuff like David Monlith, Jodey Kendrick, Steinvord, etc. Their output sounds like Analord outtakes a lot of the time. I swear they use the same drum machine patterns even. Richard should just lend them his rare expensive synths so they can replicate his sound entirely. I listen to a lot of their stuff and it makes me think "I should just relisten to Analord stuff", as it's aesthetically the same, but has the sort of "spark" that's missing in these tracks.
Aleksi Perälä sounds like RDJ, but he's good enough that I don't mind.
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djhardcode
from Netherlands, The on 2014-03-12 22:04 [#02468922]
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My guess is that he signs people who sound like him not out of narcissism but the simple fact that he likes what he makes, and probably hopes someone else might be able to make the same kind of stuff so he can enjoy it without having to make it himself. I think luke vibert kind of succeeds at that, but is too unique to completely fill the void. I somewhat agree with the more recent releases, haven't heard them all only snips here and there, sometimes one will rudely come on in the soundclpud player when I wasn't expecting it, spammed. But I haven't heard any other rehex except vibert and afx.
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djhardcode
from Netherlands, The on 2014-03-12 22:10 [#02468923]
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Oh and it has crossed my mind before that the "dilute afx" tracks are simply the output of a test ai project that creates tracks automatically. We all know that richard james writes software or whatever, this would also account for the similarities.
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WarpBot2012
on 2014-03-13 08:06 [#02468942]
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I know what you mean. What you describe is more of a feeling or vibe that's held by non fanboys. i.e. ppl who are not big fans of Aphex Twin or Rephlex. But these days the mass music media is worthless. Fuck NME and pitchfork. Also it's a lame move to go on a fan site and provoke fans.
As for Analord copies, yes. Things have changed. Before the vibe used to be that everyone had to make a new technique and everything had to be 'seminal' and 'genius'. Every day chasing the new things, the new sounds. In a way, that can be ok. In another way that can be a cheap way to describe music.
Think of Analord in one way: analogue synths instead of virtual, recorded to tape instead of DAW, recorded live instead of multitracked on PC. These are good things. OK someone might point out some analord trax as not fitting in to this mould. My point is: doing things in the classic 70s way is not Analord copy. It is super awesome to record to real tape, real nice lovely synths, and record it as a live performance rather than cut and paste it together. More music should be awesome like this. VST and DAW are shitstains on your underwear. Many ppl knew this b4 analord neway.
So there are talented guys and they are doing things with 70s 80s methods in the cool way and yeah they do copy Aphex Twin too much. But do you actually have the talent yourself to make something 'better' than Aphex Twin? I hope you do because I would love to hear something better.
Now, I'm orf to write on the Chris Morris fan site about why all the comedians on that site are copying Chris Morris.
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jnasato
from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2014-03-13 08:23 [#02468944]
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When I first discovered Rephlex in high school in ze late 90's, I was so into the label. Because to me, it was all about this obscure vibe that they had, that could be felt in most of the releases. Rephlex was vibe city.
I think likening everything to afx is an over-generalization and giving too much credit to Richardz for his sounds. He is just rich, famous, and influential (haha, "just"). It doesn't mean all his stuff is good or that he's the best.
Jodey Kendrick is amazing, and although there is aphexish influence, the production style and EQ is much more space-tech. In that sense, I think one of RDJ's greatest strengths is the sense of Earthy organic vibes. There's a fine line in vibez between humans making alien tech, and aliens trying to be human-- both are IDM, but there is a slight different slant. (People like Richard Devine are pretty much making alien-tech sounds "by aliens") RDJ is like a human tripping and realizing space origins, yet still grasping the grass and soil.
I dunno whatever, what the fuck.
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djhardcode
from Netherlands, The on 2014-03-13 18:22 [#02468960]
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either way that sound is massively overdone and played since like 5 years ago
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Advocate
on 2014-03-13 18:37 [#02468962]
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i'm just wondering, is this you?
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ddrummondd
on 2014-03-14 02:03 [#02468981]
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let's hear idle intercunt's rejected from rephlex music pls? no wait, dont bother because no fucker would waste their time with your yamaha 360 loop shit. so fuck off you jealous prick.
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idle interloper
on 2014-03-15 19:26 [#02469015]
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Why do I have to make music to have an opinion on it? Let's hear [i]your[/i] rejected music Mr. Dick (sucking) James apologist. Or do you spend all your free time training as JivverDicker less eloquent understudy? I haven't made music in years but when I did it didn't sound like an Analord clone, for better or worse.
I never said I actually disliked this RDJ-sounding stuff, it's just a bit annoying when there must be so many other acts out there who sound much more original who remain unsigned. I understand that they want a certain unifying sound or aesthetic on their label, but ideally this would be within reason.
Most of the acts I've criticized, I still enjoy listening to at least occasionally, I just get the feeling "I may as well just listen to AFX".
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melack
from barcielwave on 2014-03-16 01:26 [#02469020]
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for what i know richie is not involved in the rephlex managment anymore, so i guess its just grant alone, and id say:
- he just releases what he likes and he likes aphex music
- rephlex is a dying label (as most little labels) and acid trend is what sells the most nowadays
- he has some artists he signed up based on his high quality sound, he just releases what they deliver to him
also, who sounds like analord? j/k and monolith (steinvord sounds more like something between druqks and analord, and id bet it is related to aphex somehow) and that makes just two or three albums in some years...
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yann_g
from now on 2014-03-16 17:07 [#02469027]
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"Or does he figure that if the acts sound enough like him, the rumors will spread that he was the one who made the music, leading to sales?"
I know of one rephlex artist I was asked to not tell who he was. I assume a little rumor boosts interest.
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jnasato
from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2014-03-17 05:02 [#02469028]
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Well, rephlex did pick up Macc and dgoHn, which is next level drumstep or whatever, and Fire For Effect Records was created to release Ultrademon. So sometimes new sounds get in- and sometimes new labels are created for somewhat different sounds? Actually, I felt seapunk fit in well with braindance sounds.
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