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i feel depressed dudes. talk about the woolwich thing a bit for me |
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things were fucky today extreme people everywhere r getting such attention at the moment. conspiracy fucks racist fucks dailymail fucks. all the retards find fuel and its a bad time to be hearing retards making noise |
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Just flush out the actual terrorists and then put them in a field with the skinheads, and let them kill eachother (for entertainment?) |
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i recon they'd find they have a lot in common and just get together on a crusade to fuck up a good thing somewhere on the planet |
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decapitating someone with sharp objects is a very metal way to kill someone. What would be an IDM way to kill someone? |
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I don't like any of it. |
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It's arseholes like you that propergate it. |
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extreme thinking means we arent going to get what we need which is a basically fair stable inteligent government authority (labour surely) geared towards making society tolerant helpful and collaborative. but people are ignoring that and instead enjoy the selfish lonely americanised model of fear folly and vulgar individualism. narrow and self important fucks are easily scared and also like to fight |
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cmon im right |
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uuugh bye dudes sleep well |
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when someone's crazy, there's often no civilized way to handle it. you can shoot them, lock them up, or spend a colossal amount of effort trying to coax them back to reality, knowing full well you'll probably fail. in the US, there was a movement in the 70s that essentially dumped a lot of dysfunctional crazy people on the street, and that's been quietly causing a shitload of crime since. if you leave crazy people to their own devices, they'll wind up in the street, on drugs, and some of them will be violent. yet, the deinstitutionalisation movement arose when some kind souls realized that institutions could be far more unpleasant than prison. how do you define "crazy" and what's the proper thing to do about it? furthermore, how do you define "terrorist"? this is why drill rods is a fucking retard -- who's a terrorist? who's a racist? who's crazy? if you're consigning these people to a battle royale, don't you at least want to make sure you don't sweep up normal people into it? what if they decide you're racist or crazy? crazy people are rarely 100% crazy. they have moments of lucidity and normality. normal people are rarely 100% sane. they have moments of rage and insanity. in my opinion, the real problem is that crazy people are dumped in the street instead of cared for, and normal people are increasingly crazier every day. fear, paranoia, and rage makes sane people do insane things. then we all watch it on the news. we say, "we're surrounded by crazy people" and start to . |
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in uk thatcher started 'care in the community' which was the same thing of letting the mentally ill walk the streets. it was an idea of hers clearly rooted in a straight forward condemnation of responsibility toward people with desperate conditions. she is still celebrated today by many in my country. some wondered why her death was so exciting for the people who hated her. it was because she represented something fucking awful that still exists; her selfish competitive alienating shitheap idea of what we should all live like. i think when she died it felt like her politics died but its starting to look like self interest is going to stick around. |
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self interest is gay. check this: living a selfish life means you dont listen to others or care for what they think or believe. you are focused on your own destiny. you only believe what suits that destiny. you dont hear new opinions because they slow down your destiny. you group together with people who confirm your destiny and rule out those who do not. you are now in a club. which club are you in? EDL PrisonPlanet Islamic extremism these are just 3 but there are many more groups. they are all isolated by aggressive forces that dont agree with them and unified by belief of a narrow and rigid dogma that they refuse to reconsider. they all move toward their destiny now they fight eachother in crusades n shit |
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Being crazy is necessary for positive change. All crazy people firmly believe in their actions, and the only difference between the ones who do negative (which is the stereotype) and those who do positive, is their sense of morality. Believing that "normal" and "average" people can amount to great positive change in this world is ridiculous, as those people are more interested in minimizing trouble, being part of the pack, and staying comfortable. One has to be a bit- or totally- crazy, in order to have the drive to fight against the bullshit standards which most of the modern world runs on; choosing to be an outcast, choosing to think/act against the shitty grain, choosing to put up with the hardships that come from battling a blind majority. Fucking 60 years ago, Amairkah still had states with separate facilities for blacks and whites, and to change such bullshit, it took a lot of crazy ass people to fight against that system in order to change it for the better. "Crazy" is only applicable to an individual when comparing to the norm. If one person were just on an island alone, there is no action that that person could do in their world, which could be considered "crazy", as their actions would be the definition of all human action. So quoting Apple's old school Think Different campaign... "Here's to the crazy ones." |
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you're thinking about "crazy" in the doesn't-agree-with-collective-society sense. that's not crazy, that's thinking differently, like you said. imagine some guy that suffered carbon monoxide poisoning in the back of a camper-trailer as a kid and is now six crayons short of a rainbow. is this guy going to change society when he can't even wipe his own ass? or is he going to wind up on the street, drunk and yelling at "normal" people? i'd also argue that the people who resist change are necessary. if everyone wanted to change the world in dramatic ways, things would fall apart pretty quickly. society is too big to change on a dime. |
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no actually reasonable people with passion make good changes. crazy people take it too far left or right and never balance the realities of life. there are many sweet intelligent boring old white dudes making real stuff work while your celebrated pioneers of crazy typically make grand selfish changes that fuck things up. also your ideas on crazy people being awesome are obviously inappropriate in this thread. |
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There's a good book on this subject, . I think "crazy" is probably a bad word, for the reasons EpicMegatrax suggests. The quality that determines if someone is going to make the most dramatic change is probably better described as "not giving a fuck about what society thinks is right". You can been absolutely sane and still not give a fuck about what popular society thinks is right. If you play by society's rules, unless you become very powerful within society, you are going to struggle to be in a position to change it dramatically. If you do play by its rules, even if you start out deep into some ideology that is against society, the process of coming to accept society (or at least tolerate it enough to do well in it) tends to make people less inclined to want to tear it down, once they're in a position to do so. One cynic might says they "sold out", another might claim that they "grew up" and came to terms with the establishment. Either way, the percentage of people with communist ideals who become billionaires and use the money to found a string of self-sufficient communes as a legacy is tiny. It's far quicker and easier to be someone on the fringe, who doesn't kowtow to society's values, to change it suddenly and dramatically. Of course, this results in a lot of lamers who don't achieve of the sort, believing that they are somehow "fighting the system" by not playing ball. A theme in the book I mentioned is that it's usually only with the benefit of hindsight, once the outlier changed the societal norm to their value, that we can see objectively if the change was a good one ("Hey, these coloured folks are people too, slavery is wrong and it was a good thing we had a war over it!") or a bad one ("Whoops, those Jews are people too after all, perhaps I shouldn't have been complicit in their massacre"). |
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anyone with an interest in lsd probably has at least a mild fascination with schizophrenia. unfortunately, that fascination often graduates into reverence, as if they can see the secrets of the universe or some shit. |
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honestly fuck apples 'think different' campaign. im never coming here again |
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you've never done lsd, have you |
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i did not have an affair with that woman |
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I suppose one point of my long post, was that I do not believe "crazy" even exists. I think even someone with passion, is considered "crazy" in this world- like who the fuck in their "normal mind" would hone their craft for 15 hours a day, right? When society is teaching one to be selfish, stand on others, gain power, and please the self always, who in their "normal mind" would be helpful and caring? Those people aren't viewed as "crazy" because they are doing good, but the magnitude of difference between them and societal norms are the same as someone who's on the harmful side, putting shit on bus seats for fun. Even if you've been drinking mercury since age 5, you hit your head dozens of times on concrete, and were the birth of a mother who was constantly drinking gasoline during pregnancy- your brain and body would still work as it's meant to work, given that context. I think the only measure of "crazy" is comparison to societal norms. So yah, "crazy" is not a good word, because it is too vague. That being said, Hitler was fucked up and did terrible things, but if there were some people nowadays as "crazy" as him but had great moral values, they would be able to drastically change the world for the better. One needs some serious self-concluded beliefs in order to make any kind of change, and in this modern world, we are all fed tons of bullshit on how to act like everybody else, what to do, what to buy, what to believe, and children are put on so many drugs to make a generation of numb people who will have the drive to do barely anything. But aaaaaaaaaaaaanyway..... |
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I think being "comfortable" is something that decreases the number of people really prepared to go all out to effect change. If everyone you care about is dying/dead and you have "nothing to lose" it's a lot easier to go all out. If you have a fundamentally comfortable live (even if it's rather dull and could be a lot better), people are less inclined to risk jeopardising that. As the quality of life increases, the number of people really wanting to shake things up decreases. |
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Jah, mang. DAZ WHY DA MAN GIVE ILLUSIONS OF GOODNESS, like tv and free money and shit. You only have power over people as long as you don’t take everything away from them. But when you’ve robbed a man of everything, he’s no longer in your power- he’s free again. - Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn |
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it's all about reading fucking challenging literature where you only understand about 4% of it |
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perhaps a approach is best. you spend most of the time letting things settle, just shake it up once in a while to see if you've been stuck in a local maximum. i don't think being surrounded by death sets you up to make good changes, even if being comfy results in most people not changing at all. unless you have at least a tad of optimism i don't think your new world order will be anything but a paranoid mess. |
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