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The 'nice guy'. Stereotype or true?
 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2011-12-10 10:30 [#02425205]
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Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard
luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses,
problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are
"helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman,
it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it
will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will
appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and
sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results.


The 'nice guy' explained

So, discuss. Are you a 'nice guy'? I think my dad was a nice
guy.


 

offline Torture Garden from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2011-12-10 11:07 [#02425212]
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bullshit psychoanalysis is bullshit

/thread


 

offline AphexAcid from Sweden on 2011-12-10 11:20 [#02425213]
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heartless bitches dot com?


 

offline melack from barcielwave on 2011-12-10 11:21 [#02425214]
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i dont think he thinks
i think if he thinks then hes not the real nice guy he
thinks he is
just a selfimposed attitude to a different soul
dont you think? think about it
+
bullshit psychoanalysis is bullshit

/thread


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2011-12-10 12:00 [#02425216]
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This thread is about 'nice guys' and not your opinion on
psychoanalysis. So please be nice and stay on topic. Thankx
Dudes.


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2011-12-10 12:11 [#02425217]
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Be thankful with what you got


 

offline welt on 2011-12-10 14:22 [#02425223]
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what irritates me about the "nice guy"-discussion is the
choice of the word "nice".

a person who genuinely qualifies as a "nice person" is a
good-hearted person, who acts nicely, because it's his very
own will to be a pleasant companion.

but in the context (!) of the "nice guy"-discussion the term
"nice guy" usually (!) refers to people who try to act
nicely, because - due to their insecurity - they don't dare
to be the demanding egomaniacs they truly are. (they are not
truly nice guys. they are like warrior-types which - due to
bad luck - have lost all their weapons and physical strength
and now falsely claim to be pacifists.)

once you take that into account the seeming riddle - "why do
women not want nice guys if being nice is a positive
quality?" - dissolves. because the people that were being
labelled "nice guys" were assholes in disguise all along.

.... by the way. i'm not sure to what extent the
nice-guy-discussion accurately depicts a real phenomenon.
but WITHIN that discussion - be it ultimately a useful
discussion or a nonsensical discussion - it irritates me
that the word "nice" is used for insecure rather than for
genuinely nice people.


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2011-12-10 15:29 [#02425230]
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I'm freakin James Bond, dude!

@ welt: There's a difference between being a gentleman and
being the "nice guy".
Discussions like this usually fall flat on their face
because people tend to oppose being an egomaniac, to being
the nice guy. There's a middle ground here. It isn't either,
or. There are people who are being too nice, and there are
people who are too much on the opposite of that. It'd
probably be more realistic to call this the "Too Nice Guy"
thread.


 

offline big from lsg on 2011-12-10 16:32 [#02425231]
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I'm sick and fucking tired of this "nice guy" cliche. If you
think you're a nice guy, you're not.
You somehow think you're a "nice guy." Therefore you think
you deserve women because you're nice. Do you not see how
big of a fucking asshole you are?



 

offline welt on 2011-12-10 18:17 [#02425234]
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of course there's a middle-ground between 'being nice' and
'being an egomaniac'.

i didn't deny that. i expressed irritation about the way the
term 'nice' is used in these discussions. i find it absurd
that not only some people but many people define 'being
nice' as 'being insecure and therefore acting in a manner
that is superficially nice, even though you would be more
rude if you just weren't so insecure' as opposed to 'being
friendly because you just want to be a friendly person'.

this has nothing to do with assuming that a person must be
100% nice or 100% non-nice. these things, obviously, come in
degrees.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2011-12-10 18:51 [#02425235]
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The term 'nice guy' is insofar incorrect, because there are,
of course also women who display this personality style.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2011-12-10 19:21 [#02425237]
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In america, sex is taboo, corrupt, evil, for sale on the
black market only to scientologist actors and their ilk and
there's little soulless geico geckos and monsanto copyrights
floating in the gametes poisoning all future genetics and
culture.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2011-12-10 20:24 [#02425241]
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i spent a good 15 minutes hanging around the outside of a
mcdonalds by one of those american style cinema complexes
the other week listening to my friend doing an act that i
reckon results from this on the phone.
from the one end of the conversation i heard they were
talking about precisely fuck all but it was a incredibly
serious,complicated fuck all.
whatever gets u off i suppose. who cares,except i had to
stand round smoking fags & watching people get drive
throughs.


 

offline robbie_eleckt from time to time on 2011-12-10 21:53 [#02425246]
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humans...


 

offline jnasato from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2011-12-10 21:55 [#02425248]
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This.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2011-12-11 00:01 [#02425259]
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For once, we agree. :)

There's a good line in Monoid's link, "If you have one bad
relationship after another, the only common denominator is
YOU. Think about it."

It staggers me how lacking in self-awareness many people are
and how they take no responsibility for their life and
perceive everything bad that happens to them is solely the
'fault' of external sources. Even if it's as simple as
saying, "I always seem to date crazy girls who treat me
poorly..." Well, you're the one who is picking them,
dipshit.

I have a friend who is a lot, judging by the description,
like Steve McQueen's friend. A girl has strung him along and
messed with his heart for over a decade now and because the
poor sod was head over heels for her, he put up with it. We
have tried to talk him out of it for years, to no avail. The
problem was only fixed when he gave her an ultimatum and
then stuck to breaking it off when she didn't capitulate.

Personally, I am now too old to care about getting embroiled
in these "dramas" and I make it clear to anyone I date that
if you start dicking me about, it will be over swiftly and
permanently. It has worked well for me, so far.

taking_the_piz: In work, the women tell me I'm a gentleman
and my staff find me approachable. I'm also perceived as
being quite ruthless and unaccepting of failure, so not a
"nice guy" in the traditional sense. I don't really see a
pairing of gentlemanly conduct and being some spineless push
over.


 


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