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sorry that might be an old question but i was thinking about that lately : i really like LPs (artwork, bigger, warmer sound) but they're more expensive than CDs. I'm sure with special records (like analords), everything seems analogue but for 99% of the LPs released every sounds/tracks must come from a CD-R given by the artist. So how is it possible than LPs sounds better than CDs if the original sound material is CDR ? Also, most mastering studios seems digital so.. I guess that vinyls do not sound better than CDs but just sound warmer, softer, you know... so that might be just an illusion. or is it the micro silence gap between 0 and 1 ? |
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flac for me |
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i can't answer your question, but i love records too. |
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you answered your own question really. if the source mixdown is digital (like from a cdr as you say), then putting it onto a record isn't going to magically make it any better. higher frequencies are rolled off on vinyl, so that creates the illusion that something is "warmer", but in reality, you're actually losing information. if the production-mixdown-mastering chain is all analogue like analord, basic channel or the in-sync records, then that is a different thing entirely and the difference in quality is usually apparant. as long as they don't get greedy and try to press too many tracks/minutes onto a single 12", it will probably sound "better" than the cd version. a lot of people just like sounds that are idiosyncratic to certain formats. tapes still have a really warm, bass-heavy sound and the hiss is also half of the appeal. for vinyl, obviously its the warmth and the surface noise. the original mixdown/master is still the "definite" version of the artists work though and usually that will be a data file these days (or maybe a dat). if anything, formats like vinyl colour the sound, but sometimes that can work nicely. just buy whatever version you like best! |
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let the cd die already, and keep the vinyl for collectors purpose.. in 10 years everything will be digital, no doubt. |
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by digital i mean not played from vinyl, cd or any other physical format. |
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i had to drive my grandads car the other day and that only had a tape deck..... how freaking good are tapes, i mean in the way u can slam em in to the slot. felt soo good, then i wanted to skip a track and that sucked. app my grandad used to have a record deck in one of his cars, thatd be shit on a road with speed bumps. |
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vinyl is like a cock and cds are like a dildo both works and give immense pleasure |
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you nailed it! |
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vlari puts CDs in his ass, hihi |
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hey, shut the fuck up |
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store your cds and vinyls play each so much 10 years look at quality difference of physical medium scratched |
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but.. |
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well i was told cds were like "for ever" but my old ones are all glitchy. |
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that was a lie! really, the worst ones, CDr anyway, will last only 10 years |
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unless you keep them in your ass |
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cleanse yourself from all negative energy, exhale for as long as you can, grab the cd and shove it up your ass. problem solved. |
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Listening to a modern LP recorded using modern techniques is like viewing a DVD transferred to a VHS tape: it's seriously counterproductive. I'm all about vinyl records, but you have to use common sense when purchasing them. The majority of music is recorded digitally these days, as you probably know. Transferring these digital recordings to an analogue medium is simply a waste of time, money, and resources, for the end user. Of course, the vinyl medium as a performance utility is a whole other discussion, and obviously these points are not relevant to that dialogue. Your perceived appreciation for the vinyl format is likely placebo, though there are still some out there who prefer vinyl simply for the way that vinyl "errors." A CD handles error correction by utilizing quantization and jitter, which some audiophiles have some disdain for (with a large amount of questionable legitimacy - can they REALLY hear the effects of jitter?). Vinyl handles error correction simply by the ticking and popping that we all know and love; vinyl's error correction emulates sounds we hear in nature, which many find soothing and pleasant compared to the digital error correction utilized on today's CD players and computer sound cards. |
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best advise |
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honestly, i take the placebo thing very seriously. but what i like about vinyl is that i can listen to them very very loudly while cds hurts my ears at strong volume (treble). |
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magnetics! |
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I prefer vinyl. I've listened to really old scratchy 78's but they are still perfectly enjoyable. I doubt a CD could last as long. Your point about the CDR is not necessarily correct. Say they use protools at 24/96 and bring the wav on cd. This is jiggled down to 16/44 for CD, but for vinyl there likely to be less quantisation and whatnot, therefore sounding better. I would offer a more robust scientific explanation, but I'm too tired. |
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the years 1990-2008 called, they want their discussion back |
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Vinyl. The whole listening process is more physical giving you time to actually enjoy and respect what you're listening to. |
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you mean you sit through all the daft tracks cause you're too lazy to get up and move the needle |
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lol i think it was 1998. but i could be one year off. |
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Digital sampling rate is irrelevant for LP manufacturing. A record is pressed using analog audio, so the internal DAC of the computer/recorder/whatever would quantize the audio to a suitable analog rate. |
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The vinyl house takes the 24/96 pro tools audio. Plays it via a good 24bit DAC at 96kHz clock and this analogue signal is cut to wax. The quantisation comes from the DAC, but the vinyl does not introduce quantisation because there is no sampling function performed by the lathe. With a CD you have to quantise to 16bit otherwise it would not be a redbook CD. Therefore assuming there is negligible quantisation from the vinyl, the vinyl record quantises audio to 24bit and the CD quantises to 16bit. Now, the frequency response: Vinyl records are recorded in the continuous time domain. The limiting factor for upper frequency is the frequency response of the cutting tool and the stylus/cartridge used for playback (yeah and speakers, ears, etc) CDs are recorded in the discrete time domain, where a sample is taken at every clock edge, in this case 44.1kHz. Due to Nyquist sampling theorem the maximum audio frequency is set to 22050Hz (i.e. half clock rate). This is a hard limit and in effect is a "brickwall" filter. On the vinyl side of things, there is a gradual higher frequency rolloff. This allows through more of the higher frequencies (albeit somewhat attenuated). Therefore, I beg to differ. The sampling rate is relevant for the LP manufacture process. With vinyl there is scope for having an improved recording by cutting the sound from a 96kHz DAC rather than a 44.1kHz DAC as outlined above. |
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Interesting - learned a few things from this. You seem to know a lot what you're talking about! |
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vynils |
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veyenals |
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well CDs came around in 82 according to wikipedia so we're both wrong shame cycle initiated |
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