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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2008-04-22 17:30 [#02196909]
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coming to a country near you?
http://nysun.com/news/food-rationing-confronts-breadbas... “Where’s the rice?” an engineer from Palo Alto, Calif., Yajun Liu, said. “You should be able to buy something like rice. This is ridiculous.”
I find people's sense of entitlement to be absolutely hilarious. "You should be able to..." "ridiculous"-- in the magical land of pretend. It's like people who get all huffy when they accuse oil companies of 'price gouging'. Nobody forces you to pay exhorbitant prices. It's called demand and when there's not enough of it to go around, those who can express the most demand get it and the rest don't.
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mimi
on 2008-04-22 17:41 [#02196912]
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it's fine to laugh at some dumb american engineer complaining when he has plenty to eat and the shortage is a self-fulfilling prophesy in his locale, but is the idea of being entitled to food on its own really hilarious?
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freqy
on 2008-04-22 17:54 [#02196913]
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should be entitled to land when your born. and be tought how to grow your own veggies.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2008-04-22 17:56 [#02196915]
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this is just an example of your wider view, right?
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rad smiles
on 2008-04-22 17:57 [#02196916]
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yeah tell that to the people of Haiti, Egypt, Mozambique, Senegal and Indonesia.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2008-04-22 17:58 [#02196917]
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or just a gauge of reation to your latest premise
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rad smiles
on 2008-04-22 17:59 [#02196918]
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what gets me is these private companies buying up food and hoarding it waiting for prices to go even higher.
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mimi
on 2008-04-22 18:04 [#02196921]
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well especially considering that a huge part of the reason that food prices are climbing is corn ethanol production. i found out yesterday that you can feed a person for a year with the amount of corn it takes to produce one tank of ethanol!
i feel bad asking farmers to be the only ones to make the sacrifice, but is it acceptable for them to sell their corn at a higher price for ethanol production or should they have to sell it at a lower price for the third world to eat from like they used to? the environmental degradation that ethanol production causes makes this a market failure anyway. should we really be using up some of the most fertile soil in the world to fill up our gas tanks? is that a legitimate demand? i really don't think so.
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rad smiles
on 2008-04-22 18:10 [#02196923]
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i agree 100%
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2008-04-22 20:08 [#02196946]
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Do you have high fructose corn syrup in EVRYTHING in Europe?
You can not get a loaf of bread or cracker or anything without high fructose corn syrup in the ingredients.
Yeah, so I do believe the oil companies are price gouging and that whole China and India expanding is a load of shit. Like it all happened in the last 5 years? Bush is an oil man and he has a "special relationship" with the Saudi government. Anyway, I don't think its purely supply and demand. I think there are some greedy people pushing buttons. Maybe they are afraid of an alternative coming along soon to put them out of business
Also, the gas stations in America are price fixing. Why are they all the same exact price within a very small margin? No matter how much inventory they have?
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2008-04-22 20:17 [#02196950]
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also, something doesn't sit right in me thinking of all these poor third world people eating corn. Like how American Indians genetically can only drink 2 beers and they are sloppy drunk. Corn is just not in the diet of many people. They need help at the local level to provide for themselves by cultivating their native cuisine, but I guess dropping crates of corn makes of feel better. The cycle of energy should be self fulfilling. If we can power our lives with something nondestructive to the environment and ourselves than I think its a very good answer. I don't know what the best alternative energy will be though. The corn farmers have a big lobby in Washington. I guess from replacing sugar in our foods with their bastardized cheaper replacement in order to avoid sending money into South America for sugar cane
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2008-04-22 20:36 [#02196954]
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what i mean is for most of human history most people have lived short and brutal lives. "but is the idea of being entitled to food on its own really hilarious?" but it does nothing unless it can actually tell you how to keep everybody fed. it's actually a good idea. so no, i just find comments like hers pretty frivolous. people are starving to death, so she could at least come up with some 'reason' why she deserves food and they don't. 'ridiculous'
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mimi
on 2008-04-22 20:49 [#02196955]
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well we could feed everybody but that would entail some kind of sacrifice, which nobody is probably willing to make for the time being. maybe part of that is not driving, maybe part of it is not eating meat, maybe part is not buying 20 goddamn bags of rice for all of your closest friends.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2008-04-22 21:34 [#02196973]
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there is no " they dont"
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SlipDrinkMats
from Thanks (Bhutan) on 2008-04-22 21:35 [#02196974]
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I don't drive and I don't eat rice, who the fuck are you people claiming this that and the other?
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SlipDrinkMats
from Thanks (Bhutan) on 2008-04-22 21:36 [#02196976]
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Oh right, I forget, craven, scavenging human beings, defecating and climbing on top of those less able, well done.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2008-04-22 21:53 [#02196980]
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why is it ridiculous that she should have to substitute something instead of rice when other people are starving. it's like sometimes you can't have seasonal foods 12 months of the year if fresh produce has to be shipped on average 1500+ miles. she's not starving. she should be thankful that she isn't. i mean sure she was interviewed for a newspaper, couldn't she have a little more tact?
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2008-04-22 22:08 [#02196984]
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she doesnt know any better but who doesnt? or its the newspaper putting words into her mouth? or shes is dumb? i dont get you point, i know you well enough to at least wonder there is a hidden agenda, and i'd love to know what it is
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2008-04-23 00:07 [#02196998]
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it's an example of the kind of rationale many people have, it's an example of the kind of mentality prevalent in politics. it shows hypocracy and a lack of awareness about the global picture. other than that it's just a small anecdote which isn't remarkable by itself. i think people need to think: does some software engineer who is designing the latest Apple iShit in palo alto deserve a bag of rice anymore than anyone else and how could things be different and so on.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2008-04-23 10:43 [#02197090]
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We could easily keep up with demand if we planted corn on the golf courses of California alone.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2008-04-23 10:49 [#02197094]
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Global Rice Crisis Ahead How to Turn Rice Shortages into Massive Gains of 61% or More.
LAZY_MONEY
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2008-04-23 12:18 [#02197119]
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i think everyone should be payed the same wage for whatever job they do. rise up comrades.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2008-04-23 12:29 [#02197125]
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If the job entails never having to do anything at all ever, I'll join you.
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SlipDrinkMats
from Thanks (Bhutan) on 2008-04-23 12:31 [#02197126]
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Why is everyone obsessed with rice? Have a bag of crisps, for fucks sake.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2008-04-23 12:36 [#02197127]
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Sorry, all potatoes have been pressed into service in the Red Vodka Army.
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