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www.c0ax.org/autechre.html just wrote up a little regarding my thoughts about ae and stuff. opinions? |
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oh dear. |
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qrter, what? :P |
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is autechre a bloody autopsy? ?? why are people always trying to explain their music. |
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because they are exploring new territory, well, at least they're making their own twist on things. putting it down in words can help. for me at least. and also im so bored i could die and i was listening to confield. so sue me. :D |
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it's just fanboyism, something you yourself should not be unaccustomed to, only for some annoying reason in case of autechre it almost always seems to find it's way out in a silly kind of pseudo-intellectual form. |
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exactly. |
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qrter im not trying to be a fanboy nor a pseudo intellectual. please respect what im trying to do at least. for me the music is very interesting, it's sort of like asking yourself large philosophical questions like "where does the universe end?" "is the universe examining itself?" "just what the FUCK is going on and where am i?" same with ae's music. for me at least. in the end though, autechre gives me lots of emotions when listening to it, and that's all that matters, but tell me, what's so wrong about asking "why am i responding to this seemingly uninviting music?" |
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so you're saying that without the philosophical association, autechre's music is essentially crap? |
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what the fuck? no! you dont get it. i SAID "autechres music gives me alot of emotions when i listen to it, but when you dig deeper you realize that there's more to it than just music, because autechres music is different than most." SO im asking the questions, trying to answer them. PLEASE keep in mind that im bored. |
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i hate to offer the same advice twice but |
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now with added philosophy |
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I'm autechre, and I'll tell you right nowa! I'æm drunk, and that's how I make our music! stop fucmkgin ytring to dedcipher our shit! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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wow man, that's like, so deep man |
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cx, i think what you wrote is commendable at the least - i see what you are trying to say and it's cool. i agree with the whole quantum noise and human-ness of "experimental", "non-conventional", "abstract", "post-industrial", "post-post-industrial", "ambient", "electronic" sounds. the reason i put all those adjectives in quotes is because i think these things are defined by perspective and paradigm. one culture or individual may think it's experimental while another finds it the norm. i may personally find it the norm for my listening pleasure and find top 40 pop music the abnormal. but at the same time, i don't think that this makes my definition "better" than anyone else's. BUT.. to contradict that statement, i also find some top 40 pop music (even if it's old) really humanizing and comforting - they could be using guitars or computers - i don't care. it's what the journey of the track does for me. so all in all, ive just contradicted myself and am switching on two divergent genres (which is arguable because there is so much mixture between genres, finding the "essence" of a genre is downright difficult!). anyway, no argument there really (from your article), but i may have to disagree with your usage of the "it doesn't have that vital humane component [in reference to mego]" - that stood out for me b/c you are now differentiating between what sounds 'human' and what doesn't .. but you're just opening another can of worms which still doesn't answer the age-old philosophical question 'what is it that makes us human?' basically, i don't think that autechre is more expert at creating a 'humane' or 'human' sound compared to any other artist. PERSPECTIVE AND PARADIGM. |
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i appreciate your honesty, and like how youre reasoning your thoughts on on paper(?) but you might want to develop more of a cohesive thought, instead of just spouting off random reasons why you like autechre. |
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lifes to short , go for a run. |
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jenf, thanks for your nice comment. i agree with you, now that i think about it. since written in a daze, i may not have properly thought through this "philosophy", however you got my main point so i guess my work is done. and also yes, it's all about perspective, but another point i sort of forgot to embellish: is autechre somehow finding new territory of sound that we have not yet fully understood? or are they just mixing classical music theory with noise in such a way that it's nothing new, but it's unique in its mixture? |
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if you think about it, there are a lot of artists who are trying to do something.....unique - the artists who try to rehash, are either rehashing to further a genre, say this analord series from afx or wagon christ, or they are trying to make some money by playing it safe, appealing to an already established audience. but most artists are always trying new things and developing new sounds - but i dont think autechre is doing anything way ahead of the curve or being so experimental that they seem like they are making music from another dimension - for me its just music - they make good music. |
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yeah, i think it's definitely worth theorizing about what's at work in ae, but within the context of a larger paradigm... there are lots of artists out there stretching the limits of what we consider music, and it certainly has far reaching implications maybe sometimes it seems a little silly, but i don't see the point in knocking someone for responding creatively to the music they're listening to... people needn't feel threatened by it... np- domenico sciajno and gert-jan prins- the d&b album |
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I don't feel threatened by it and although what I said may sound harsh, it certainly isn't meant to say he shouldn't write anything like this if he wants to. TO ME though it's a particular strand of fanboy activity that you see with autechre-fans and I'm not interested in it. more and more I'm stepping away from the intellectual side of music making, the little that I had to do with it anyway. I like music for that it is music, that it is as abstract as possible (within art, I mean) and it has no other function than to be music. the rest is all theory and/or extra - it doesn't improve the music for me, in fact it even muddles the enjoyment for myself - therefore I have no need for it. so while it sounded like a putdown, I'm merely saying that this kind of thing seems superfluous and/or silly to me, a waste of time if you will. |
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No comment. |
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TO ME though it's a particular strand of fanboy activity that you see with autechre-fans and I'm not interested in it. I wrote an 'essay' much like this one two or three years ago, but after a while you come to realize that it's damn near impossible to get down to the exact motives or philosophies that a band is operating under. Once you start analyzing (and/or speculating), it's always either an overestimation of their genius or an underestimation of their real motives for music making. I'm as big an AE fanboy as they come, but I've begun to find that trying to philosophize about them is rather futile. First of all, just when you think you have them figured out, they will give an interview that messes with your perfectly honed theory of how they work. For example, cx's posts and article refer to them using 'classical music theory,' but then they will give an interview and drop seemingly flippant statements like this: Sean Booth: "It's finding something and thinking, 'that's really good actually,' then trying to understand it. It's definitely not about the musical process, we don't know anything about music; we still don't understand what music is really." The best conclusions I've come to about Autechre are that they are not concerned with anything so much as sound architecture, if you will.. and about putting together unconventional noises, beats, melodies, whatever .. to come up with something new and exciting. So far, they are succeeding. Beyond that, it's all in the realm of speculation as far as I'm concerned. |
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the font and background combo hurts my eyes |
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this thread seems largely full of shit! |
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Autechre has very little to do with technology other than the fact that they are using modern instruments to their full potential to make stuff that sounds cool. |
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oh i know what you mean man, and for the most part the stuff like this that i have seen written about ae on xlt has been totally wankshot masturbatory conjecture (for the record i did not read what cx said... but i will later) with no sense behind it whatsoever... but i like to look at theory in general as not necessarily a supplement to the musical medium, but rather as its own brand of creative writing in and of itself... the sort of stuff that makes you think and ask questions, more than it tries to answer them... there's not a lot of stuff that i've found that does this... but the stuff that does makes it all worthwhile David Toop is a pretty wicked writer for that... |
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i think mr jenkinson sums it up in this quote "when I'm making music, I don't think about anything, you know? All I think about is what I want to hear" |
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i.e., annoying shit? |
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and just when i was starting to like autechre (again)..jav |
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theory need not address the author's conscious intentions... when they do, it's usually pretty annoying because it's pure conjecture... and the intent is a lot less interesting to discuss than the result... |
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I had to look up the word conjecture . autechre are good and all and do some neat stuff in their music, but the more you try and analyse it....... i think people sometimes look to hard for things that aren't there. *cough* religion *cough* quote " How Autechre manages to blend these two contrasts so goddamn perfectly is still a mystery, and it's almost as if noone else can do the same, ever." i think that is just plain daft. they are good at what they do and have obviously developed a knack for it. quote "It is almost as if Autechre is guiding us into where we are really from, the quantum world, and one album at a time, they are slowly opening our minds." uhm ok |
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Think of autechre as sculpture rather than music. That's what I tell my mum when I play it in the car to her and intellectualise it enough for her to listen. |
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yeah, i just read it... and i definitely agree with you... autechre is being exalted here... and it's a bit silly... i think their are plenty of noise artists, including some of those on mego, who are working in similarly unfamiliar modes... some, much more effectively, imo... |
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Autechre don't strike me as musicians who apply much 'classical' theory, I could be wrong but when I listen, it doesn't really strike me, it'd make more sense to go on sound alone. Your article wasn't an analysis, it was a viewpoint, You need to backup what you say and please shed some light on how their music is created. Obviously, they're lots of great musicians pushing music today. I had a discussion with a composer/tutor a few weeks back, His argument was that artists weren't getting acclaim for their music anymore in the same way as say Coltrane's A Love Supreme is emphasised as a defining moment in jazz. My view was that because everyone can make a professional sounding record now, that more and more great albums are being released all the time and now it has become common place. Comments, please. |
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this thread is one hilarious joke. |
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ok... i skipped all the following messages to the firsto nes because i'm a little bit drunk right now (sorry ), but i read your text before and i think whereas it's a bit excessive to call it a "philosophy", it's quite intresting that you find Autechre's music "humane"... sometimes i find Autechre's music moving and beautiful (Vi Scose Poise for example, one of my fav Ae tracks) but never near "human" music really - more beautiful like a ray of sunshine through glass than beautiful like some human feelings can be. well, everyone has its own interpretation/way of hearing it i guess : ) |
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alright lemme see here.. torture garden: if you listen to confield and draft, you will find much of it is actually pretty straightforward music wise, it's just the unfamliar sounds and beats make it sound more "alien" than it actually is. you have exceptions of course, like pen expers and bine and lentic catachresis. qrter: for the longest time autechre has only been about the music part. i've listened to confield, draft, chiastic slide etc and never given it another thought but "wow this is cool". however recently when i was smoking weed and listening to confield it sort of hit me "dude, this is some strange fucking music.." then i started to focus on the whole "human vs technical" aspect. at first listen many people say confield is just a mix of sounds put together in a muddle. but soon you realize that actually no matter how "inhumane" the music becomes, it never loses that "humane" component. it never becomes "just sound". but now i'm opening other cans of worms which is not my point. all i'm trying to say is, autechre has a unique mix here, and i'm just trying to put it down on paper. uzim: agree'd. |
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just one question really..are you over 16? |
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yes im 23, why :( |
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sorry for that, im not usually this way, but this whole thing really does sound very silly to me..sorry again |
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that's fine. btw autechre can only be understood by gods and aliens. :D |
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haahaahha quote of the century PS cx I hope you're intentionally quoting me on the gods/aliens farcery |
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Let me just say the fact that cx has an anime avatar does not surprise me. |
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for the love of god, save yourself the embarassment and don't write about your spaced out epiphanies concerning autechre!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Now they have a new album coming out April 18th, and of course, I'm DYING to hear it. At first listen, Draft 7.30 may seem familiar to Confield, but upon closer inspection, they are actually very different. this is brilliant |
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Although I admire Autechre a great deal, this seems to be overanalyzing them a bit. Well, I've meditated a lot upon their music in the past, but I simply think they're a couple guys who seek adventure in sound, using a similar approach to building with Lego(s). In fact, I heard somewhere that they compare their studio to a Lego set. |
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my thoughts more or less. i think everthing has been said in this thread... when you really think about it tho, it's just people who are sometimes more sensible to some kind of thoughts or in a period of questioning, and they find a whole interesting world in ae's music for them to explore. but it really has nothing to do with the music imo, these philosophical thoughts are just conected to your brain, not autechres's music... |
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blah. i think cx over analyzing autechre is being over analyzed. it would be better if this thread dissapeared into cyberspace. |
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