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I've noticed that amateur IDM generally seems a lot closer in terms of quality to real IDM than say, amateur rock or classical composition does to "signed artist"'s stuff. Discuss. |
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maybe idm is just crap music, but we dont notice it anymore :p |
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hmm, you can name idm pretty much everything, so its really not that unusual...but there is difference between good idm and amateur one +its easier to work with computer imo |
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and another thing - how much music (appart from musicians on this mb) did you hear from amateur idm composers? i mean...all the best amateur idm guys are on this mb...so there |
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dunno .. quality wise perhaps .. but there's a lot of turd around. but i guess you don't get the singing out of tune thing as much. quality interpellated disco music is much rarer than non-quality interpellated disco music imo. |
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by first quality i mean production and stuff. :) |
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I'd say that you're probably right. Apart from the stuff that you make, of course. |
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Naturally. |
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I've heard non-signed hiphop and rock artists who sounded alot better than some who are signed and very rich. |
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Whilst I must admit I've not been to lots of unsigned hip hop gigs (only one or two) I've seen quite a few unsigned rock bands and they did, for the large part, suck. Only two of them really stood out as good and one of them gets reasonably regular gigs and are half way to being signed already... |
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well, that's no reason to slur all the rest of the unsigned rock outfits - it's a big world out there. |
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perhaps we (idm likers) dont dig rock or any other genre as we do idm...so we might not notice the beauty or quality of unsigned rock bands... :D |
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i dig rock... but theres this cafe aroud here where unsigned rock bands play and they mostly suck... cant make anything else of it.. |
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im just listening to kelly osbourne on radio-that makes me wonder about signed rock musicians... |
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I'm going by the theory that since most contemporary signed-'rock' is garbage, then the unsigned stuff must be pure gold :O |
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pointing and clicking is easier than learning how to strum a guitar or play the drums. there is the answer to your quesiton. |
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i know what you mean, but therre again forr me perrsonally it takes quite a bit of talent to keep me interrested. |
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A electronic musician is more likely to be fiddling around with compressors and equalisers for hours then lets say a rock drummer. A electronic musician is more likely to hand in this top notch cd that hardly needs any mastering then a rock band. A rock band could do that to but it would be more likely they would have to spend a shitload of money to do so , studio time , producers etc . So in terms of quality i think Geri has a point there. Poll : Did Sido use the word likely to many times in this post ? A YES B NO C I don't know |
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there's 3,52% of word "likely" in that text...so no, i dont think Sido used it too many times! |
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Are you serious? haha! You did the equation ? =) |
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hehe, yeah...and with all the work i have to finish here...well, nothing motivates me to finish as fast as possible :D |
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lol ! |
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maybe its that people who make idm are more aware of technology and how to make things sound proffessional a little more than those who are in shit rock bands. |
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amateur IDM?? |
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Like people here make... Weakling & Sido have nailed it- It's that IDM creators production techniques are typically of a higher level, even if the melody/percussion is weak, at least they're comparatively polished. |
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you know, as in amateurish, but still intelligent. |
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phvkakawe isu not amator |
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its not intelligent either *AUDIENCE APPLAUDS, STANDS UP, STARTS PICKING MEMBERS UP AND THROWING THEM AGAINST WALLS. AUDIENCE EXPLODES.* |
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ah. it seems typical of a lot of "IDM-ateurs" to use software such as FruityLoops and Reason and maybe at least one or two pieces of hardware for equipment. as far as intangible methods, it simply seems that amateur IDM artists are less experienced in music production than "real" ones. |
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well, I would say it sounds better produced more quickly simply because of possible pre-sets. |
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howwe 1 kno pkgage intsa non aemture? |
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YUR HARF IRS, DO NORT YUR!?!?!!? |
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alot of "pro's" use things like fruityloops and reason. dont let people who use that stuff make you think its amat music. Luke Vibert uses Reason. Proem uses Fruityloops. two examples right there of some pro's using normal everyday software to create their stuff. |
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i'd have to say experimental "music" is the best amateur genre... listen to the weirdest programs on good college radio for examples of what i'm talking about |
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True that , but i don't think there is a single Pro IDM producer on planet earth dumm enough to use ONE program to create music. |
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urm, mhea href haif nto harr!! |
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so what determines an IDM amateur, their equipment, or their experience? |
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Unsigned perhaps ? |
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u know what they mean pachi, u rr being awkwarrd |
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are we talking about live, or recorded here? Live, its harder for a band to get a good sound system etc... and all the other various factors. Live electronic is much easier to do live... and make it sound good. Audio out into the PA. Done. If we are talking about recorded material... the biggest thing rock has to deal with is paying money to get it produced. Even famous bands would sound like shit without a nice producer working on their album. Production is an art in and of itself. Which leads to electronic music. Electronic music IS production. Thats the core focus. You could have a great band, that sounds bad due to having to record it all live on a minidisk mic... and a person doing electronic stuff, and lack in content, but still sound good, because of the polished production... its deceiving. But see, rock is more insterested in lyrics, and the melodies, chords etc. Thats how its expressed. In electronic music, its the sounds, more then the musical content. (Im NOT saying electronic music isnt musical, or its lesser or anything. just different) But all of this said... I would say that I have heard ALOT of crap amatuer IDM stuff. Its probably equal to the amount of crap rock bands ive heard. Its not always just about production... there has to be content. |
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"i don't think there is a single Pro IDM producer on planet earth dumm enough to use ONE program to create music. " thats a very ignorant statement. And I dont mean that in a mean way... but I just dont think you can make that kind of assumption... |
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shame on all those silly instrumentalists and singers who can't branch out and be virtuosic professionals on more than one thing, much less even use a computer to make music. i don't think it matters one lick what tools any procuder uses, software-based or not. i'd be happier if dance music forbade the use of laptops in live performances anyway. ;) |
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well its accurrate to the last time he asked everryone, which was a few weeks back now, so you arre rright. |
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Of course i can't prove that "incredibly ignorant statement" but that is what i think. |
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laptop sets suck open up window media player run the album sit back and play solitare while people pay you its so wrong also i spend as much time dickin about with my fx pedals trying to get a good sound as i do with the idm sounds |
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"laptop sets suck" there are those of us who do actually do something while on stage other than check our email. :) |
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cheers to that@portland i think it's just that there's so many ways to get the software you need to make such music that anyone can get ahold of what they need. a lot of "signed" music sucks dick, if you ask me. personally, i'd rather listen to del the funky homosapien (i know he's somewhat signed) than nelly. it's because of all this corporate merging taking place in the entertainment industry nowadays. not that i'm trying to criticize capitalism, but you can see easily how a label's music will suffer when a white-collar yuppie is running it rather than someone who's been listening to the records they put out for years. |
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Amateur IDM is just a lot more well produced...because of the availability of studio quality production software and powerful computers. And consequently, it sounds a lot more polished and well rounded. But frankly, even the quality of IDM on this board is plainly awful in quite a few cases, (with plenty of notable exceptions of course), but IMHO, there is as much crap IDM as there is crappy any-other-kind-of-music. Because if production techniques were the only thing, you've got to admit, the BSB and N'Sync producers are quite amazing. |
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i think im just the best... i mean, i dont think it really has anything to do with genre's or trying to pigeonhole something into a catagory... i think, at the end of the day, it just comes down to "who is the best?" now, i dont think this is something that even requires much agonizing over, let alone debate... im the best, thanks for saying so |
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okay...you are the best. and your eyes still scare me. i love that. |
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