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optimus prime
on 2007-08-28 22:10 [#02115533]
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of all the books i've read, i believe these to be required reading for everyone who's alive:
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll Don Quixote by Cervantes The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro Ulysses by James Joyce To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice Sendak War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy
i'm not including Cult Books or superficial stuff like that. these are the books that i truly believe add meaning to life.
what are your picks?
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IronLung
from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2007-08-28 22:14 [#02115536]
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Fear and Loathing
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optimus prime
on 2007-08-28 22:15 [#02115537]
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really?
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2007-08-28 22:23 [#02115538]
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Cat in the Hat TV Guide Digg Batman
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optimus prime
on 2007-08-28 22:33 [#02115539]
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see, now this is a *real* answer. totally full of joie de vivre.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-08-28 23:04 [#02115541]
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Of those I've only read 1984 by Orwell. Generally I pass on the thick literature stuff in favor of a quick fantasy novel. Not to say it's bad, i'm just never in the mood for it. Give me Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time before Dickens and I'll be happy.
Alice In Wonderland looks slightly out of place with the rest of your books up there; I've always thought of it as (intended) popular fiction for it's time rather than a great literary undertaking (like War and Peace.) I've never read it though so I'm probably mistaken.
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optimus prime
on 2007-08-28 23:10 [#02115543]
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it's subversive literature that satirised the mannerisms and politics of the time. outside of that, it's the most gleeful romp into absurdity one can read, and will have you grinning ear-to-ear like the cheshire cat. i can't imagine a person going through life without reading it.
if you like big fantasy series then i think you'd enjoy war and peace if you gave it a chance. it doesn't have the fantasy stuff, of course, but it has the same addicting quality. just think of it as an entire series collected in one book if the length seems too daunting.
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optimus prime
on 2007-08-28 23:12 [#02115545]
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and if you do ever read war and peace then i recommend going with the new anthony briggs translation, which modernises it without being cheesy. in fact his translation adds a lot more impact for the modern reader.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-08-28 23:22 [#02115547]
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Length isnt a problem for me if the story is good. I'll look into War and Peace. I think one of the reasons I've shyed away from the big classics is because that community of readers and writers generally do not accept popular fiction as true literature. There's sort of an arrogance about what's real writing and what isnt. A goog book is a good book, whether it's about aliens coming through peoples cell phones or a little girl surviving the Holocaust.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2007-08-28 23:58 [#02115549]
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biographies of musicians, interview collections
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big
from lsg on 2007-08-29 00:56 [#02115556]
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go study literature to get perspective on things. high literature is just another genre.
i think war and peace was briljant, mostly for the great way it displayed things (realism) and maybe it's the archetype for soap as well. i think it is not that much literature as all the characteres, in retrospect, are cliched.
i do want to read a large part of your list for the same reason you read the bible, they are part of our culture, well and i reckon they are written pretty good
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 02:29 [#02115560]
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Aristotle - The Nichomachean Ethics Kierkegaard - Collected works (or at least The Concept of Dread and Either/Or)
All of Kafka's books Sartre - Being and Nothingness Plato - Phaedrus
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J198
from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2007-08-29 02:52 [#02115563]
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i finished 'never let me go' a while back. it was OK.
i believe huxley's brave new world and the doors of perception are on my list.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-08-29 03:33 [#02115575]
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Vladimir Nabokov - Ada or Ardor
I cannot praise this book enough. Absolutely superb.
Robert M. Pirsig - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Best philosophy book I've read. Best "philosophy of work" that I've ever come across, too.
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swears
from junk sleep on 2007-08-29 03:39 [#02115577]
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I never learned to read!
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-08-29 04:12 [#02115583]
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I've just started reading Moby-Dick. I believe it's classed as Essential.
The worst list on here so far is Drunken Mastah's... by a country mile! That's not a reading list.. it's a punishment for being literate!
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swears
from junk sleep on 2007-08-29 04:16 [#02115584]
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Those books are "complex pleasures".
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-08-29 04:27 [#02115589]
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People read philosophy books because they need some non-commital existential bollocks to explain why theyre such a prick.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-08-29 04:30 [#02115592]
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Ha ha ha!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 05:05 [#02115602]
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Hahaha, I find most fiction books unbearably boring, though... Tedious in-depth explanations of surroundings and the appearance of every character involved in the story with awkward explanations of their expressions (facial or otherwise) are the worst parts, but there's also something about the common implementation of dialogue and explanation of actions that annoys me.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 05:09 [#02115603]
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I find that most people read what they read because (a) they like it and (b) because they think it's important. It's usually a combination, but it can be either.
I've also always found it weird that when someone makes a "top 100" (or whatever) list of books, they seem to think that only fiction qualifies as reading. There was a list of "top 10 most important books" or something in a newspaper a while back, and I dare argue that the Nichomachean ethics have been way more important than Erlend Loe's "L."
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 05:10 [#02115604]
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I also find that the opposite is true of the news: Too little in-depth discussion and explanation. Maybe someone should make some writers of fiction write newspaper articles and tell them the data, the actual information, is the landscape their "story" is set in.. maybe then we'd get some decent articles.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2007-08-29 05:11 [#02115605]
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MEIN KAMPF
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2007-08-29 05:42 [#02115608]
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You're talking about bad litterature, not fiction books.
Here's a listlist
Days and Nights by Alfred Jarry Molloy, Malone Dies, The Unnamable by Samuel Beckett 120 Days of Sodom by the Marquis de Sade The Practice of Everyday Life by Michel de Certeau The Castle by Franz Kafka The Adventures of Baron Münchhausen The Goosebumps collection The Songs of Maldoror by the Comte de Lautréamont Nadja by André Breton Madame Bovary by Gustave Flaubert
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2007-08-29 05:48 [#02115609]
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besides aristotle is a cunt
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big
from lsg on 2007-08-29 05:57 [#02115614]
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sade i want to read to because amorality is kewl
i think siddhartha is pretty ace, and the foundation series by asimov
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_gvarek_
from next to you (Poland) on 2007-08-29 06:33 [#02115630]
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nobody mentioned poetry, so The Wasteland by T.S. Eliot
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2007-08-29 06:35 [#02115635]
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Maldoror is poetry, but thank god it's in prose.
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swears
from junk sleep on 2007-08-29 06:53 [#02115645]
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This looks quite good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Solution
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nanotech
from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2007-08-29 06:56 [#02115646]
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The Tibetan Book of the Dead: The Great Liberation throug...
The Dhammapada: The Sayings of the Buddha (Oxford World's...
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2007-08-29 07:29 [#02115648]
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Wilhelm Reich - Listen, Little Man! Kahlil Gibran - The Prophet UG Krishnamurti - Mind Is A Myth Jiddu Krishnamurti - Questioning Krishnamurti ... (for idiots)
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nanotech
from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2007-08-29 07:44 [#02115649]
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Gibran's The Prophet...good one!
While living on Maui, Felix, a good friend of mine would perform the book live...he had each line and chapter memorized, and would perform it with the audience passing around a sheet of the chapters, and calling out "Prophet, tell us of LOVE!" or "Prophet, tell us of CHILDREN"
Then Felix would quote in a deep and wise tone...
"Hmmmmmmmm, your children are not your children, but life yerning to pass through you!"
or something to that extent...
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swears
from junk sleep on 2007-08-29 07:51 [#02115650]
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595094724?...
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2007-08-29 10:11 [#02115702]
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Some that are missing from the list:
Catcher in The Rye - JD Salinger Islands in the Stream- Ernest Hemmingway The Dark Tower books (7) -Steven King Ground Beneath Her Feet - Salman Rushdie
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-08-29 10:13 [#02115704]
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Yes, Catcher in the Rye is really good.
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Sclah
from Freudian Slipmat on 2007-08-29 10:42 [#02115711]
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Does Murakami's work qualify for lists like these? He's an expert on Blurry border between reality and dream
The only "absolute classics" I've read: Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment: I enjoyed some parts but founds others a bit tedious, specifically the themes of an anguished soul, praying for salvation etc. Too melodramatic.
Kafka's The Trial and The Castle. Really enjoyed these two, enthralling.
Camus' The Fall: Read this mostly because the band is named after it. Don't think I really "got it" completely. Existensial crisis, exaggerated self-examination etc.
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Sclah
from Freudian Slipmat on 2007-08-29 10:43 [#02115712]
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I would also like to nominate Hamsun's The Hunger
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misantroll
from Switzerland on 2007-08-29 11:10 [#02115735]
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Theodore Sturgeon - Thinking cristal
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NeroX
from Canada on 2007-08-29 19:13 [#02115923]
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I heard if you take a dump and flush the toilet while reading Alice in Wonderland it will sync perfectly to what's going on in the book
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NeroX
from Canada on 2007-08-29 19:18 [#02115924]
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Mashah do you like Nietzshe? As for books I've enjoyed; 48 Laws Of Power, Brave New World, 1984,Slaughterhouse-Five, and The Celestine Prophecy
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OK
on 2007-08-29 19:24 [#02115926]
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what dead thing?
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OK
on 2007-08-29 19:25 [#02115927]
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*death
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2007-08-29 22:13 [#02115943]
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hahaha so true
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2007-08-30 16:30 [#02116239]
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The Odyssey by Homer, translated by Robert Fagles, is quite lovely. I recommend it before or after The Death.
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optimus prime
on 2007-08-30 16:30 [#02116240]
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such a yummy edition as well.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2007-08-30 17:33 [#02116254]
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I've got Don Quixote at hand's reach, the two tomes, and I really really want to read it but it's BIG.
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optimus prime
on 2007-08-30 18:35 [#02116269]
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not only is it an engrossing read but it's positively dripping with metafictional qualities. if you like how godard films know that they're films then you'll enjoy how don quixote is aware that it's a book. by the end it becomes a book about a book about a book about the book you're reading.
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optimus prime
on 2007-08-30 18:44 [#02116270]
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just be aware that it digresses even more than gravity's rainbow.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2007-08-30 18:54 [#02116272]
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Oh I know, I'm sure it's awesome, but more than 1300 pages is quite a commitment.
Not sure why I care though, let's rock.
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optimus prime
on 2007-08-30 19:00 [#02116273]
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\m/
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