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         |  optimus prime
             on 2007-08-28 22:10 [#02115533] Points: 6447 Status: Lurker
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 | of all the books i've read, i believe these to be required reading for everyone who's alive:
 
 Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll
 Don Quixote by Cervantes
 The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoyevsky
 Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro
 Ulysses by James Joyce
 To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
 Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov
 Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell
 Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice Sendak
 War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy
 
 i'm not including Cult Books or superficial stuff like that.
 these are the books that i truly believe add meaning to
 life.
 
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         |  IronLung
             from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2007-08-28 22:14 [#02115536] Points: 8032 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | Fear and Loathing 
 
 
 
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         |  optimus prime
             on 2007-08-28 22:15 [#02115537] Points: 6447 Status: Lurker
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 | really? 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2007-08-28 22:23 [#02115538] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker
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 | Cat in the Hat TV Guide
 Digg
 Batman
 
 
 
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         |  optimus prime
             on 2007-08-28 22:33 [#02115539] Points: 6447 Status: Lurker | Followup to fleetmouse: #02115538
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 | see, now this is a *real* answer. totally full of joie de vivre.
 
 
 
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         |  Wolfslice
             from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-08-28 23:04 [#02115541] Points: 5097 Status: Lurker
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 | Of those I've only read 1984 by Orwell. Generally I pass on the thick literature stuff in favor of a quick fantasy
 novel. Not to say it's bad, i'm just never in the mood for
 it. Give me Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time before Dickens and
 I'll be happy.
 
 Alice In Wonderland looks slightly out of place with the
 rest of your books up there; I've always thought of it as
 (intended) popular fiction for it's time rather than a great
 literary undertaking (like War and Peace.) I've never read
 it though so I'm probably mistaken.
 
 
 
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         |  optimus prime
             on 2007-08-28 23:10 [#02115543] Points: 6447 Status: Lurker | Followup to Wolfslice: #02115541
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 | it's subversive literature that satirised the mannerisms and politics of the time. outside of that, it's the most gleeful
 romp into absurdity one can read, and will have you grinning
 ear-to-ear like the cheshire cat. i can't imagine a person
 going through life without reading it.
 
 if you like big fantasy series then i think you'd enjoy war
 and peace if you gave it a chance. it doesn't have the
 fantasy stuff, of course, but it has the same addicting
 quality. just think of it as an entire series collected in
 one book if the length seems too daunting.
 
 
 
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         |  optimus prime
             on 2007-08-28 23:12 [#02115545] Points: 6447 Status: Lurker | Followup to optimus prime: #02115543
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 | and if you do ever read war and peace then i recommend going with the new anthony briggs translation, which modernises it
 without being cheesy. in fact his translation adds a lot
 more impact for the modern reader.
 
 
 
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         |  Wolfslice
             from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-08-28 23:22 [#02115547] Points: 5097 Status: Lurker
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 | Length isnt a problem for me if the story is good. I'll look into War and Peace. I think one of the reasons I've shyed
 away from the big classics is because that community of
 readers and writers generally do not accept popular fiction
 as true literature. There's sort of an arrogance about
 what's real writing and what isnt. A goog book is a good
 book, whether it's about aliens coming through peoples cell
 phones or a little girl surviving the Holocaust.
 
 
 
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         |  obara
             from Utrecht on 2007-08-28 23:58 [#02115549] Points: 19430 Status: Regular
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 | biographies of musicians, interview collections 
 
 
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         |  big
             from lsg on 2007-08-29 00:56 [#02115556] Points: 24091 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | go study literature to get perspective on things. high literature is just another genre.
 
 i think war and peace was briljant, mostly for the great way
 it displayed things (realism) and maybe it's the archetype
 for soap as well. i think it is not that much literature as
 all the characteres, in retrospect, are cliched.
 i do want to read a large part of your list for the same
 reason you read the bible, they are part of our culture,
 well and i reckon they are written pretty good
 
 
 
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         |  Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 02:29 [#02115560] Points: 35867 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | Aristotle - The Nichomachean Ethics Kierkegaard - Collected works (or at least The Concept of
 Dread and Either/Or)
 All of Kafka's books
 Sartre - Being and Nothingness
 Plato - Phaedrus
 
 
 
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         |  J198
             from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2007-08-29 02:52 [#02115563] Points: 7342 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | i finished 'never let me go' a while back. it was OK. 
 i believe huxley's brave new world and the doors of
 perception are on my list.
 
 
 
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         |  Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-08-29 03:33 [#02115575] Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | Vladimir Nabokov - Ada or Ardor 
 I cannot praise this book enough. Absolutely superb.
 
 Robert M. Pirsig - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
 Maintenance
 
 Best philosophy book I've read. Best "philosophy of work"
 that I've ever come across, too.
 
 
 
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         |  swears
             from junk sleep on 2007-08-29 03:39 [#02115577] Points: 6474 Status: Lurker
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 | I never learned to read! 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2007-08-29 04:12 [#02115583] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker
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 | I've just started reading Moby-Dick. I believe it's classed as Essential.
 
 The worst list on here so far is Drunken Mastah's... by a
 country mile! That's not a reading list.. it's a
 punishment for being literate!
 
 
 
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         |  swears
             from junk sleep on 2007-08-29 04:16 [#02115584] Points: 6474 Status: Lurker | Followup to marlowe: #02115583
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 | Those books are "complex pleasures". 
 
 
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         |  Indeksical
             from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-08-29 04:27 [#02115589] Points: 10672 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | People read philosophy books because they need some non-commital existential bollocks to explain why theyre such
 a prick.
 
 
 
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         |  Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-08-29 04:30 [#02115592] Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Followup to Indeksical: #02115589 | Show recordbag
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 | Ha ha ha! 
 
 
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         |  Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 05:05 [#02115602] Points: 35867 Status: Lurker | Followup to marlowe: #02115583 | Show recordbag
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 | Hahaha, I find most fiction books unbearably boring, though... Tedious in-depth explanations of surroundings and
 the appearance of every character involved in the story with
 awkward explanations of their expressions (facial or
 otherwise) are the worst parts, but there's also something
 about the common implementation of dialogue and explanation
 of actions that annoys me.
 
 
 
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         |  Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 05:09 [#02115603] Points: 35867 Status: Lurker | Followup to Indeksical: #02115589 | Show recordbag
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 | I find that most people read what they read because (a) they like it and (b) because they think it's important. It's
 usually a combination, but it can be either.
 
 I've also always found it weird that when someone makes a
 "top 100" (or whatever) list of books, they seem to think
 that only fiction qualifies as reading. There was a list of
 "top 10 most important books" or something in a newspaper a
 while back, and I dare argue that the Nichomachean ethics
 have been way more important than Erlend Loe's
 "L."
 
 
 
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         |  Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 05:10 [#02115604] Points: 35867 Status: Lurker | Followup to Drunken Mastah: #02115602 | Show recordbag
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 | I also find that the opposite is true of the news: Too little in-depth discussion and explanation. Maybe someone
 should make some writers of fiction write newspaper articles
 and tell them the data, the actual information, is the
 landscape their "story" is set in.. maybe then we'd get some
 decent articles.
 
 
 
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         |  Monoid
             from one source all things depend on 2007-08-29 05:11 [#02115605] Points: 11012 Status: Lurker
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 | MEIN KAMPF 
 
 
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         |  dariusgriffin
             from cool on 2007-08-29 05:42 [#02115608] Points: 12516 Status: Lurker | Followup to Drunken Mastah: #02115602
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 | You're talking about bad litterature, not fiction books. 
 Here's a listlist
 
 Days and Nights by Alfred Jarry
 Molloy, Malone Dies, The Unnamable by Samuel Beckett
 120 Days of Sodom by the Marquis de Sade
 The Practice of Everyday Life by Michel de Certeau
 The Castle by Franz Kafka
 The Adventures of Baron Münchhausen
 The Goosebumps collection
 The Songs of Maldoror by the Comte de Lautréamont
 Nadja by André Breton
 Madame Bovary by Gustave Flaubert
 
 
 
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         |  dariusgriffin
             from cool on 2007-08-29 05:48 [#02115609] Points: 12516 Status: Lurker
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 | besides aristotle is a cunt 
 
 
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         |  big
             from lsg on 2007-08-29 05:57 [#02115614] Points: 24091 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | sade i want to read to because amorality is kewl 
 i think siddhartha is pretty ace, and the foundation series
 by asimov
 
 
 
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         |  _gvarek_
             from next to you (Poland) on 2007-08-29 06:33 [#02115630] Points: 4882 Status: Lurker
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 | nobody mentioned poetry, so The Wasteland by T.S. Eliot
 
 
 
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         |  dariusgriffin
             from cool on 2007-08-29 06:35 [#02115635] Points: 12516 Status: Lurker
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 | Maldoror is poetry, but thank god it's in prose. 
 
 
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         |  swears
             from junk sleep on 2007-08-29 06:53 [#02115645] Points: 6474 Status: Lurker
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 | This looks quite good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Solution 
 
 
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         |  nanotech
             from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2007-08-29 06:56 [#02115646] Points: 3761 Status: Addict
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 | The Tibetan Book of the Dead: The Great Liberation throug... 
 The Dhammapada: The Sayings of the Buddha (Oxford World's...
 
 
 
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         |  Barcode
             from United Kingdom on 2007-08-29 07:29 [#02115648] Points: 1767 Status: Lurker
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 | Wilhelm Reich - Listen, Little Man! Kahlil Gibran - The Prophet
 UG Krishnamurti - Mind Is A Myth
 Jiddu Krishnamurti - Questioning Krishnamurti ... (for
 idiots)
 
 
 
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             from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2007-08-29 07:44 [#02115649] Points: 3761 Status: Addict | Followup to Barcode: #02115648
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 | Gibran's The Prophet...good one! 
 While living on Maui, Felix, a good friend of mine would
 perform the book live...he had each line and chapter
 memorized, and would perform it with the audience passing
 around a sheet of the chapters, and calling out "Prophet,
 tell us of LOVE!" or "Prophet, tell us of CHILDREN"
 
 Then Felix would quote in a deep and wise tone...
 
 "Hmmmmmmmm, your children are not your children, but life
 yerning to pass through you!"
 
 or something to that extent...
 
 
 
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         |  swears
             from junk sleep on 2007-08-29 07:51 [#02115650] Points: 6474 Status: Lurker
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 | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595094724?... 
 
 
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         |  010101
             from Vancouver (Canada) on 2007-08-29 10:11 [#02115702] Points: 7669 Status: Regular
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 | Some that are missing from the list: 
 Catcher in The Rye - JD Salinger
 Islands in the Stream- Ernest Hemmingway
 The Dark Tower books (7) -Steven King
 Ground Beneath Her Feet - Salman Rushdie
 
 
 
 
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             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-08-29 10:13 [#02115704] Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Followup to 010101: #02115702 | Show recordbag
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 | Yes, Catcher in the Rye is really good. 
 
 
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         |  Sclah
             from Freudian Slipmat on 2007-08-29 10:42 [#02115711] Points: 3121 Status: Lurker | Followup to nanotech: #02115649
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 | Does Murakami's work qualify for lists like these? He's an expert on Blurry border between reality and dream
 
 The only "absolute classics" I've read:
 Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment: I enjoyed some parts but
 founds others a bit tedious, specifically the themes of an
 anguished soul, praying for salvation etc. Too
 melodramatic.
 Kafka's The Trial and The Castle. Really enjoyed these two,
 enthralling.
 Camus' The Fall: Read this mostly because the band is named
 after it. Don't think I really "got it" completely.
 Existensial crisis, exaggerated self-examination etc.
 
 
 
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 | I would also like to nominate Hamsun's The Hunger 
 
 
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             from Switzerland on 2007-08-29 11:10 [#02115735] Points: 2151 Status: Lurker
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 | Theodore Sturgeon - Thinking cristal 
 
 
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             from Canada on 2007-08-29 19:13 [#02115923] Points: 39 Status: Addict
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 | I heard if you take a dump and flush the toilet while reading Alice in Wonderland it will sync perfectly to what's
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             from Canada on 2007-08-29 19:18 [#02115924] Points: 39 Status: Addict
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 | Mashah do you like Nietzshe? As for books I've enjoyed; 48 Laws Of Power, Brave New
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         |  OK
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 | what dead thing? 
 
 
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 | *death 
 
 
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         |  goDel
             from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2007-08-29 22:13 [#02115943] Points: 10240 Status: Regular | Followup to Indeksical: #02115589
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 | hahaha so true
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2007-08-30 16:30 [#02116239] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker
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 | The Odyssey by Homer, translated by Robert Fagles, is quite lovely. I recommend it before or after The Death.
 
 
 
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         |  optimus prime
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 | such a yummy edition as well. 
 
 
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         |  dariusgriffin
             from cool on 2007-08-30 17:33 [#02116254] Points: 12516 Status: Lurker
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 | I've got Don Quixote at hand's reach, the two tomes, and I really really want to read it but it's BIG.
 
 
 
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         |  optimus prime
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 | not only is it an engrossing read but it's positively dripping with metafictional qualities. if you like
 how godard films know that they're films then you'll enjoy
 how don quixote is aware that it's a book. by the end it
 becomes a book about a book about a book about the book
 you're reading.
 
 
 
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         |  optimus prime
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 | just be aware that it digresses even more than gravity's rainbow.
 
 
 
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         |  dariusgriffin
             from cool on 2007-08-30 18:54 [#02116272] Points: 12516 Status: Lurker
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 | Oh I know, I'm sure it's awesome, but more than 1300 pages is quite a commitment.
 
 Not sure why I care though, let's rock.
 
 
 
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             on 2007-08-30 19:00 [#02116273] Points: 6447 Status: Lurker
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