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nacmat
on 2008-04-11 01:47 [#02193225]
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nba:
17 diferent winners in 60 years and two teams win half of the total
celtics: 16 wins lakers: 14 wins
(50% of total)
champions league:
21 diferent winners in 51 years (not 55 as I said before)
real madrid: 9 wins milan: 7 wins
(31% of total)
doesnt seem like your theory would be a solution in europe
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2008-04-11 01:48 [#02193226]
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totally agree, chelsea is not a big team.
i miss the good old nottingham forest
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2008-04-11 03:17 [#02193249]
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in italy a lot of my friends think barça will win the cup. personally i dunno.
barça - manchester--->barça
liverpool - chelsea----> liverpool
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2008-04-11 12:00 [#02193398]
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I get the impression that a big team in your opinion is one with a lot of history. Ok, fair enough. What I mean as a big team is one with a lot of buying power. I think part of the reason why smaller market teams, that have had lots of success in the past thus making them big teams by your definition, aren't doing so well now is because there is a lot more money to be made in sports today as opposed to 20 years ago. Salaries have increased dramatically from what they used to be, and this effects smaller market teams the most because the bigger teams with more money to spend can still afford to pay the salaries.
Maybe you're right that it won't have much effect, but I know first hand what this type of thing can do. Hockey is a Canadian sport, and we dominate it on the world stage in Olympics, world championships, etc. But when our Canadian NHL teams can't even compete due to sky rocketing salaries and smaller markets there is a problem. Salary caps mean you have to be selective on the big players you want to sign and then surround that player with other quality players that won't demand such large prices. As opposed to teams like Chelsea in the Premiership, and the Yankees and Red Sox in MLB that go out and sign up all big name players for rediculous amounts of money. I think a salary cap makes leagues more competitive.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2008-04-11 12:07 [#02193401]
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The NHL are destroying hockey, they should stop attempting to cater to the US.
What they should do is change the rules so that 11 players per team are on the ice for a full game cosisting of two halfs of 45 minutes.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2008-04-11 12:09 [#02193403]
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Salary caps are a dumb idea, I would love to see a dominant team like the Habs again. It makes for great entertainment.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2008-04-11 12:10 [#02193404]
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Where is Nottingham Forest? Maybe they just can't afford to compete with the bigger name teams.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2008-04-11 12:18 [#02193409]
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Close to Nottingham. It still there, I understand it is protected by the National Trust.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2008-04-11 14:23 [#02193506]
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I should've been more clear I guess. I was refering to the question Nacmat asked about Nottingham Forest, which I believe is a soccer team.
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Advocate
on 2008-04-11 14:40 [#02193515]
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My semi final predictions were right. Lets just hope that L'pool beat Chelsea and meet Barcelona in the final.
I must admit I'm a Liverpool fan, and I fear Man Utd more than Barcelona. Ferguson seems to know more about Benitez' tactics, than vice versa. That's apparent from the PL results the past few years.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2008-04-11 15:06 [#02193524]
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Well it depends on what you want I guess. I love dynasties in sports, but what is the point if one team can afford to load their team with the best players while others can't? I'd rather see teams winning because they play well together rather then because they're a bunch of all-stars thrown together.
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yoyoyo
from cornwall on 2008-04-11 16:37 [#02193550]
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manchester and liverpool i think
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nacmat
on 2008-04-11 16:51 [#02193552]
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funkmaster made nice points (as always)
but still I am sure money cannot buy success all the time... not in football at least
barcelona has spent much more money than ajax all throughout history
ajax 4 champion leagues barça 2
but yes, money is important
what I really meant is that some teams that become rich cos they have a rich owner, tend to dissapear from the elite as soon as the rich owner leaves, and this happens often
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RussellDust
on 2008-04-12 08:04 [#02193673]
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i felt real bad for arsenal when Liverpool got the penalty. That Walcott run was amazing. Arsenal and Man utd play the best football in the Premier League. Neutrals really wanted arsenal to play fenerbahce. A lot of people hate chelsea but i'm used to it. Abramovic buying the club didn't help our popularity.
As for big teams, history is in the making. Chelsea won a fews things in europe (UEFA cup winner's cup, twice) and plenty in england. The club is over a hundred years old. I find that to be a history, even if it's not that of huge clubs like Real Madrid.
Nottingham Forest was a huge club (they have a great history, bigger than Chelsea's for sure). Liverpool and Nottingham forest really represented english football at one stage.
Liverpool - Chelsea, should be dull if the past is anything to go by. : (
What will it be this time, penalties, a goal when the ball didn't cross the line? (ok, that's debatable) I'm glad the secong leg is at Stamford bridge this time. I miss Mourinho but i'm sort of glad he isn't there for those two games.
Let's hope for goals, n'est ce pas, ecdnads?
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RussellDust
on 2008-04-12 08:07 [#02193675]
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Yep, Leeds are a recent example in England.
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ecnadniarb
on 2008-04-12 21:20 [#02193909]
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Indeed. Lots of goals by the players wearing red.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2008-04-12 21:30 [#02193910]
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soccer is so much better than football.
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ecnadniarb
on 2008-04-12 21:36 [#02193911]
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You mean football is so much better than "american football"
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2008-04-12 21:50 [#02193912]
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im beginging to hate ronaldo more than i hate paul mariner
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nacmat
on 2008-04-13 02:10 [#02193926]
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ronaldo or ronaldinho?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2008-04-13 03:37 [#02193930]
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i read ronaldinho is joining milan next season. for very small fee too. i hope this means kaka will move to real hehe
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nacmat
on 2008-04-13 13:46 [#02194023]
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ronaldinho turned out to be what you thought 2 years ago
but nobody can forget the first three years at barcelona... those were fantastic
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2008-04-13 13:57 [#02194028]
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im just quick at reading people : )
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nacmat
on 2008-04-22 13:34 [#02196829]
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liverpool 1 chelsea 0
well... too soon to say anything but liverpool is looking comfy
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2008-04-22 13:41 [#02196831]
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anyone looks comfy when playing against chelsea you silly spaniard..
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RussellDust
on 2008-04-22 13:53 [#02196841]
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I wouldn't say comfy. Chelsea started well but the goal was thanks to a really embarassing mistake.
Different story in the second half so far, Liverpool seem comfy.
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nacmat
on 2008-04-22 14:39 [#02196858]
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there you have it, now its downhill for chelsky
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2008-04-22 14:42 [#02196859]
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maybe l'pool will score couple more goals to fisnish it off in london : )
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2008-04-22 14:42 [#02196860]
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Fantastic. 94:07, and then a freckeled, redhead big-mouthed bastard from Norway ruined it all. I'm laughing at you John Arne!
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RussellDust
on 2008-04-22 14:42 [#02196861]
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lol
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Chihiro
from twins land on 2008-04-22 15:04 [#02196872]
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well glad Chelsea scored that last minute goal. I dont like Liverpool's football, players + manager one bit. Also, Chelsea's attitude in the game deserved a goal i think.
Im all for Manchester United tomorrow!
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nacmat
on 2008-04-22 15:22 [#02196873]
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I am all for barça of course
but I reckon that manchester arrives in much better shape for this match
so its time to suffer for us barça fans
anyway a team with messi, etoo, iniesta, xavi, deco, henry or bojan has to have a chance no matter how bad it is doing in the season
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2008-04-22 15:25 [#02196876]
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it takes one ronaldo the faggot to take all those single handed..
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Chihiro
from twins land on 2008-04-22 15:30 [#02196879]
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Barca had a lot of injury trouble unfortunately, which has been painful in the spanish league. But with Messi back, i reckon this game will be exciting. It could go either way... this article is a nice one.
may the best team win :)
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yoyoyo
from cornwall on 2008-04-22 15:33 [#02196880]
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man united will whop barcas asses tomorrow
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yoyoyo
from cornwall on 2008-04-22 15:33 [#02196881]
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and lol at riise
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Chihiro
from twins land on 2008-04-22 15:37 [#02196882]
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Ronaldo can be disappointing in big games. I follow every game, and as impressive as he is... Amazing talent! he doesnt always deliver. But he does run like a faggot, i give you that! hehe
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2008-04-22 15:41 [#02196884]
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i love to watch man utd play..but i dislike ronaldo very much which makes it harder for me to watch man utd games : )
but i sure hope they kick barca's arse tomorrow!
also, i hope there's no chance in hell for ronaldo to join real madrid or else i'll just stop watching footy all together : )
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nacmat
on 2008-04-22 15:44 [#02196886]
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son of a bitch
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Chihiro
from twins land on 2008-04-22 15:50 [#02196887]
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yeah, bloody madrid with their ever growing bids for ronaldo. i think he's dedicated to united, but beckham also seemed to be.
nacmat lol
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2008-04-22 15:53 [#02196888]
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i wouldn't mind seeing rooney in real one bit though : )
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nacmat
on 2008-04-22 15:55 [#02196889]
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how come you are such a big fan of real madrid?
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Chihiro
from twins land on 2008-04-22 15:56 [#02196890]
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i would mind just as much as Ronaldo. Rooney is essential. number 10!
United haven't lost a game with Rooney in the side this season.
I guess i wouldn't like to see anyone go, apart for Fletcher and O'Shea i guess
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2008-04-22 16:02 [#02196891]
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not sure..many of my favourite players went through real..and they're one of those teams that always seemed like they're having great fun on the pitch.. they played the sort of football (with ups and downs) im very fond of - often seemed completly disorganised but still they were somehow managing to win games..a mixture of everything really
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nacmat
on 2008-04-23 16:29 [#02197218]
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maybe next tuesday but not tonight
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yoyoyo
from cornwall on 2008-04-23 16:43 [#02197230]
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yes i think so
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2008-04-24 01:13 [#02197312]
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barça - manchester utd = 0 - 0
disappointing match
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nacmat
on 2008-04-24 07:56 [#02197370]
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I WOULD SAY MANCHESTER IS TOO CONFIDENT IN THE match at manchester, cos yesterday they looked happy with the draw
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1up
from greater manchester (United Kingdom) on 2008-04-24 09:22 [#02197373]
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barca should have won. i couldn't believe the final result. the only option for united now is to WIN at old trafford.
i believe barcas home record is better than their home record.
fingers crossed barca will nail em @ old trafford.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2008-04-26 04:37 [#02198055]
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both games were really f. dull. that happens when real isn't palying : )
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