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Does anyone have any? I've never really done too much mucking around with the sounds as I usually prefer just plain waveforms, but I also realise that because of this, I may be missing out on other cool sounds I could be making.. I mean, there's this certain square-ish blip that I've been trying to make for ages, but I just can't make it work. Anyway, tips and tricks, good sounds or whatever? And perhaps also tips for vsts? I have a digital synth, roland xp-30, and I can probably do most sounds on it, but the menu system is cumbersome if you don't actually know what you're looking for (I know where everything is, but experimentation just takes too much button-pushing without necessarily getting a result), so softsynths could be the way to go to learn the ropes, and then I can use the synth once I know how to more properly. |
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Treng meir kubjelle |
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Synthet faktisk en kubjelle en gang. |
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I've got only one tip for you. Absynth 3 (or 4). not only is it a synth. but it allows you to load in wave files. AND on top of that you can use it as an effect unit. I've been using it for 3 years now. maybe even a bit more. if you have questions. shoot. |
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Start with a basic VA like minimogue. Pay attention to what the envelopes are doing. |
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Ok, I'll try it out. Is it a vst or some standalone thing? |
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Yeah, I know how envelopes work and all the other basic stuff, I just don't know how to make stuff work together well enough to get the sounds I may want to make some time... |
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Well then, experiment! What do you want, a list of ten tips that allows you to do anything? No such thing. You have to put in the time analyzing patches and making your own from scratch. Where did you hear this square blip, or did you only hear it in your head? |
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Well, it's kind of hard to explain.. I know everything on its own, and I kind of also know how each part affects the others, I just don't know how to make anything particular from it, and it's kind of frustrating playing around with the synth because of its menu system. Like with this minimogue thing you recommended.. I downloaded it, and I got it working, I understand what an oscillator is and how the envelopes are affecting it, but I can't even make it make just a simple sine wave. How does this stuff work? The square.. it's a kind of lofi square, like it has a lp filter, but just adding an lp filter to a square doesn't get me the correct sound. It makes me think gameboy, but is also sometimes heard as the sound those speakers that are supposed to get peoples attention at malls when some kid is lost introduce the speaker with (*pi-pao*). It's lp, but has some high-end. Dannn_ has used it in a track, I think. |
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I turn knobs, nothing happens. |
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no, wait, the track is in fact flyagaric, not dannn_. |
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sorry, I am a bit distracted at the moment (wok), forgot the link It's something like the sound in here. I'm usually better at modifying sounds I record or sample from somewhere so that they don't sound like the original sound any more. |
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Get a simple synth like the original novation bass station keyboard with 1 knob per function so you can see the sound as it is. I find this is the best way to learn and use synths. I remember buying a korg prophecy years ago and thinking this is bollocks, moving through tons of sub menus you forget what you were trying to achieve. |
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I can't afford to get more hardware, unfortunately. |
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That announcement chime - that'll be an FM sound I think. Pretty basic too. Use a bitcrusher if you want more dirt. |
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I haven't used an fm synth ever. |
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Do you have FL Studio? Try the fruity dx10 synth with the Harp patch. It makes a pretty good bing-bong. You can make it brighter and dirtier pretty easily. More testicles means more iron. |
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I tried fruityloops once, but everything that came out the other side was crap. |
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When doing substractive synthesis thing of it like making a sculpture from a block of concrete or whatever. the more complex your initial wave the more you can shape it. |
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Get SynthEdit and start making some effect/synth hybrid VSTs. |
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my tip for virtual synths: try out the presets to see what changed from the original setting on startup, and fiddle with those to get the idea of what button does what my tip for real synths: JUST DO IT ~ (not exactly the nike shape, but you get the idea) |
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The problem with most softsynths I've tried is that they basically don't make sense because they're somehow modelled upon something I haven't got the faintest clue about what is.. like I could use one softsynth trying to get at a pure sine wave for ages without realising the synth is utterly incapable of producing something like that. And since most synths start out with some kind of preset automatically loaded, I have no clue where I start. If I want to be able to apply this to the hardware synth, I need to have the same starting point. I need a pure wave of some sort that I then modify. Preset deconstruction could probably work if I knew the starting point. |
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i'd say learn a bit about synthesis, without getting into the math. you'll be understanding quicker that just by twiddling. if you already know how filters and envelopes affect the sound. learn about how the different types of synthesis work. then you can start designing sound. |
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Anyone have any links to good subtractive synthesis tutorials? |
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Jesus, this is like listening to a dumb girl whine that she can't find the right shoes. |
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is a tutorial on analog synthesis centered on the Access Virus - but it's general enough that you can learn from it using any reasonably flexible VA. |
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i suck |
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simple, turn down all the knobs instead of the VCO ones |
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dunno if this will be of any interest, but i saw this book in the library it's very good, great for a beginner or someone who just wants to brush up on their analogue style synthesis |
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the reason power! book has good tutorials for both reason sythns |
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Ok, how about this: Instead of presets, etc, can someone tell me how they make their favourite sound from scratch? |
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I was the same as you, but then I found Jesus. Nah, really though, since I bought the Xiosynth my understanding of all this nonsense has increased massively. You really do just need a peice of hardware and start twiddling. Soon you will know what does what to get the sound you are after. |
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That was what I was originally thinking, and I have indeed learned quite a bit with this synth (I've had it for quite some time now, after all), but usually, when I experiment, I don't really get anything special. I'm also wondering about the sound in Bjørn Torske - Trøbbel på taket.. the organ-like chord, and the sounds going up towards the end. |
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - This is all you need to know. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- It was serialised in Sound on Sound magazine over about 5 years and isthe ultimate guide to synthesising just about anything you want. |
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stop crying and put some effort in it. |
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That's what I'm doing. If you don't figure it out on your own, ask for help. |
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Thank you! |
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synth secret is a must read for anyone not familiar with synthesis it's very well done, covers all the basics and even gets in some more complex territory certain forums such as for reaktor or reason is a good source of information too |
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See, I've already figured out a thing from reading some in a tutorial that someone quite easily could've told me: If you layer a second wave on top of the first one, one octave apart, and a few cents off, you get a "richer sound." The trouble is that most of the other stuff in there, I already know, and reading all that material to get one single small piece of information, commonly referred to as a "tip," sucks. So far, that little piece of information has helped a bit, but it also only lead me to create sounds I would never ever use unless I was scoring an 80s action movie, but who knows: Maybe, some day, I will indeed score an 80s action movie... |
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now phase. and fm |
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I can't believe you didn't know about the detune trick yet know "most of the other stuff"! What sort of sounds are you trying to make? to be honest a xp30 is not a real synth as such, more a keyboard. try and get a cheapo analogue synth if you can. something like a sh101 with lots of knobs to twiddle and you will be able to figure it all out yourself. |
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That's the thing.. I know what filters do, I know I can layer sounds, I know all the.. eh.. technological stuff, but I don't know the techniques, if you know what I mean... like that a second detuned sound makes it "richer." xp30 is a digital synth, so yeah, it's not like an analogue synth where you use oscillators, but it can do the same things. |
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yeah but analogue synths are much easier to learn because there are no menus. You can just twist knobs and find the sound you want. I remember watching an episode of the Osbournes and Ozzy got out an ARP and just sat there twiddling the knobs until he came across a decent sound then just tweaked until it was sounding really rather good. tweaking with menus is not possible unless you know what to do and the only way to know what to do is to tweak and see what things sound good! If you don't know the techniques then read synth secrets. I don't see what the problem is. It covers technology, but it also covers techniques too. |
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I am already reading synth secrets, and I thank you for the link, but there's inevitably going to be more stuff to know. I've also already said that I can't afford to get any new hardware, so that's out of the question. Does anyone actually have any tips (you seemed to know about the slight detune thing, so maybe there's more), or do I have to figure that stuff out on my own? 'cause I just know I would never have thought of that on my own, the slight detune, that is, 'cause it doesn't make any sense to me that it should do that even when I know that it does what it does. |
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The detune works because static sounds are boring. It causes phase shifting to occur as the two oscs start in phase, drift out and then go back in phase again. Think of why analogue synths sound so phat.... its because they are flawed! The flaky old electronics wasn't rock solid stable, so would drift. By detuning you have the two oscs almost on frequency, but not quite, so you are simulating the typical characteristics of an analogue synth. I'm quite worn out at the moment and don't really have time, but I'll try to type up a quick ten point plan for things to spice up boring synth sounds easily, number one was detune. Tune in tomorrow when I show you how to make a rather lovely "analord" bass using just two VCOs and a bit of double sided tape! |
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haha, I'll be looking forward to it! |
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this will be awesome ! |
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i find if i just use my ear and tweak knobs until i find something i like i am a lot more successful than if i set out to make a particular sound. I might have a general idea of a sound I want but i never aim for anything specific. |
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Failing to plan is planning to fail. |
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