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I don't get it, I just don't get it. It's just a way to escape reality from my perspective - ultimate beliefs is what will ruin this earth. Anyone religious who care to explain me that? |
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define "religious" |
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its hard to get it for me too... but i think that what will ruin this earth is exactly the opposite actitude: not believing in something bigger than ones own cock... |
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A religious person is a person who have at least 1 ultimate belief. |
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I believe in miracles. |
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i belive in unabomber. |
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why would you say that manu? i dont see any indication of that - but i guess you are refering to the individualisation the capitalism across europe is causing. but they still need excuses to do what they do. and that excuse could very well be (and has been in countless cases) religion. |
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sorry, I don't understand the idea of "ultimate belief"...... anyway, I think most of the world problems come from fear, ignorance and hatred..... independant of religion |
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1 belief that you set over rational thought. 1 belief could for an example be; i believe in god. no matter what you say and what logic you use to convince people to think rational - religious people will always fall back on their one true ultimate belief. |
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but well, at the end, religion is just being the excuse for fighting for individual interests. religion is not the bad thing, just the use people is making of it. is shelfishness (?) and ignorance what kills... |
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dogma |
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isnt religion essentially created to control people, or am i wrong? therefore its exactly what it is. |
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U are wrong. Melack is right! Jesus was kind of a Che! |
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u are the unabomber, you are always wrong! FUERA! |
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is religion created, or does it come from a natural human desire to feel part of something greater than what is experienced here and now? Undeniably organised religion is used to control and manipulate rather than to liberate. |
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the belief of utopia is from my perspective irrational. |
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heaven? yeah, heaven is irrational. |
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"According to the scriptures, at one time, the Hebrew people lived in Egypt as slaves. God told the Hebrew leader Moses to help free them. God sent many terrible problems to the Egyptians to convince their Pharaoh to free the Hebrews." See what I mean... Religion is often a subversive movement! |
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i dont think you can count that as solid proof :D |
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"In Christianity, liberation theology is a school of theology that focuses on Jesus Christ as not only the Redeemer but also the Liberator of the Oppressed. It emphasizes the Christian mission to bring justice to the poor and oppressed, particularly through political activism." |
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First comes Spirituality, then comes the commerce created by the non-spiritual to capitalise on spirituality: religion. |
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dont quote without giving the source man. |
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Quite extended in Southamerica. Lots of work done by their followers. |
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Sources are overrated... |
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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Einstein |
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Science & Religion are interchangeable terms. "Magick: the Aim of Religion, the Method of Science" - Crowley [paraphrase]. |
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religion is magic, but the means of science is not an art. (emphasis on means) |
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"Religion is magic" Expound, please. |
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there really isn't much to expound upon. religion, just like magic are based upon the principle of illusion. |
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Magick is based upon Direct Experience. Religion is based upon Dogma. |
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since you asked, here's my opinion, although i'm not religious. we all have beliefs that are assumed to be true without proof. they may not be absolute, but if they are transparent and unchallenged, you will operate them as true continuously. you're not examining reality at all, you're examining your model of reality. if you allow yourself patience with your limitations, then you should allow others patience with others' limitations. few are yet prepared to see everything that they believe to be true declared false. in the meantime, why not choose thoughts and behaviors that reflect the greatest good: those derived from unconditional love and regard for all people? |
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Your final paragraph is expressed as a Truth, rather than an opinion: maybe that explains why people find it hard to examine models of reality rather than viewing things as absolutes? |
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"religion" just to paraphrase like you did can set a system for a person. "dogma" (religion) as you mentioned does not necessarily have to be one of conventional principles, set forth by institutions, or a religious figurehead. religion and science, if you choose, can work in a contiuum spectrum. 'illusion' is what gives vision to art and science because it breaks away from a 'direct experience' (that is what we know for certain). but that is not to say magic is not a religion simply because it used to present something that is not of known origin. |
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ha, i can't hide the fact that i do believe in one absolute. while i'm not here to twist anyone's arm about that, i do think that there is very good reason to operate this law. the more i say the more i seem to cloud the issue, so for the sake of clarity i will... |
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People who believe in a god are stupid people! |
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Seems like some people are (genetically?) predisposed to become religious. This in itself is not evil, it's the fear - fear of the others, the unknown, or maybe fear that the diety aren't satisfied with the individual - that makes religion destructive in some cases. It's really pointless to advocate the abolishment of religion, or - the opposite - that everyone accepts a certain religion, as both will never happen. |
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"in the meantime, why not choose thoughts and behaviors that reflect the greatest good: those derived from unconditional love and regard for all people?" > sure, but i tend to be wary of things "derived from" something... |
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world cup cricket final australia vs sri lanka ... not while the rain keeps banging down! now playing bronski beat - smalltown boy |
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this is great. eating my lentils while the telly cuts between the mat on the pitch and ashes highlights. |
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cassia bark tastes sensational if its been braised for a little while. great for your digestion too. ive been getting top marks on wmw's stool chart. |
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Lentils are awesome. |
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i know ive been missing out all these years. in my kitchen they get a solid whack of garlic, ginger, chilli, coriander, cloves, cinnamon and cardamom, sensational. |
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What's the score in the cricket? |
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Oh man, that sounds good. Quantities? Or do you wing it? I generally make a lentil soup with curry but that's getting old. |
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about 4mm of water |
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this is what i pulled out last night, makes about 3 big meals green lentils 200g soaked until double in size sweet potato about the size of your fist, diced brown onion x 1 coriander one bunch butter + olive oil 1/3 cup ginger 3-4 inch garlic 5 cloves red chilli x 2 cloves x 10 cinnamon stick x 1 brown cardamom pods x 3 green cardamom pods x 10 turmeric powder so yeah i just melt the butter in the oil, and chuck all the dry spices into that until the smell hits. cook the onions in the spices. meanwhile the soaked lentils are boiling in water with turmeric (30 min) boil the diced pumpkin until its almost soft strain the cooked lentils, but keep the cooking liquid bring everything together, add the cooking liquid to reach the consistency you like mix in chopped coriander |
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oh yeah the ginger garlic and chilli goes into the cooked onions. |
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oh my GOD that sounds delicious and I must try it soon. Thanks! |
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youre welcome :) standing by the stove while a curry does its magic is one of favourite times of the week. |
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wary of things derived from something? i'm only saying, if you're going to take a drink, pick a good well. whatever it was so long ago, it took a step forward, and another, and another, until it got to you. now you take a step forward... when did you start stepping? and have you ever said thanks for the feet? what else are you taking for granted? i mean only to direct attention to the well, to the feet, and to that first step forward, for the time being. i mention it in good faith and for good fun because of your reply, hope you don't mind. |
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