 |
|
You are not logged in! F.A.Q Log in Register |
 |
|
 |
 Now online (2)big steve mcqueen ...and 235 guests Last 5 registered Oplandisks nothingstar N_loop yipe foxtrotromeo Browse members... |
 |
Members 8025Messages 2614439 Today 20 Topics 127562 |
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I find myself listening to electronic stuff less and less nowadays. Especially the newer stuff that is coming along. If anything I prefer older stuff like Black Dog (old Black Dog as opposed to the newer stuff[though it's o.k.]), Stasis, Kirk Degiorgio etc. The kind of stuff which makes Dog_belch foam at the mouth. Other than I find myself listening to stuff like Bowie, Dylan, Waits, Led Zep instead more than anything, along with hip-hop a la Madlib and J Dilla. As an older member of the board (I'm 30), I reckon it is an age-related thing. Any older members of the board starting to listen to the stuff your Dad listens to? Were our parents right? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I reckon people just get tired if they listen to too much of the same thing. "Absence makes the heart grow fonder..."...."too much of a good thing..." Quotes like that would be appropraite here. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i dont really think its an age thing, possibly more to with the fact the whole genre is a bit stagnant? i've been enjoying joy division, king crimson and emerson lake and palmer amongst other non electronic things recently. still havent listened to any of the latest albums from afx, ae, boc, snares, or whoever. just never got round to it, and not particularly bothered either. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
That certainly applies to me. My dad gives be the best musical advice. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Maybe it's because I'm no longer able to remain completely up to date with my electronic music. The most leftfield stuff available in Plymouth is Squarepusher and there is no vinyl outlet here (that I'm aware of). I used to buy about a dozen records a week, but now I'm a student I can't do this. Maybe I'm getting into Dylan etc. because that is what is available cheap down here. Or because I'm an old boring cunt, I dunno... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i don't really like much recent IDM/whatever. at the moment, when i buy music it's more often than not catching up on an artist's backcatalogue instead of buying new releases. still usually electronic though. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
You could start selling drugs. Just be careful! |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
That was my masterplan when I came to university, but no one that I know does drugs in any serious quantity, unlike back in Nottingham :( I'm homesick now, way to go.. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i do also listen to quite a lot of stuff my dad listens to though. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Good music is good music, whether it is owned by your Dad or not. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i still listen most to electronic music, but when i listen to non-electronics i usually choose shoegaze or thrash. i listen to ceephax a lot lately too. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i think people over 30 should stop posting on messageboards... wait.. i dont care. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I think you should should try and post something vaguely interesting just once and that hasn't got anything to do with the amazing fact you're in Spain. This site is dedicated to electronic music, and tacitly to the Aphex / Autechre axis. Analogue Bubblebath and Cavity Job both came out in 1991, 16 years ago. Some people here had those records when they came out, not a decade and a half later off of eBay. This site is based on OLD MUSIC, whilst maintaining an interest in a currently flagging pseudo genre. Saying people over 30 have no right here is like saying people over 50 have no right on on a Hawkwind website. If I want to sit here inbetween uploading/downloading work and call you a cunt, whether you care or not, I fucking will. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
dog_belch do you really think idm is flagging? dont you consider newer art ists like flashbulb idm, hes pretty good. i agree id like more tunes like chatter or nomina though, especially from ae. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
listen to indie rock |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Well, like Bob says, I'm unable to keep up with releases, I can't even keep up with all the classic re-releases. I don't like what I've heard of Flashbulb. I think the problem is I got into Aphex, Autechre, Back Dog, B12 before there was such a thing as IDM. There was techno, there was Eno (and others) style ambient, there was movie soundtracks, Kraftwerk, Electro.. Detroit Techno..all that.. and then came along, at the time early 90s, artists like AFX and The Orb and Autechre as well as a billion great Techno records and it was all... wow, like all these interesting areas of music being distilled and layered, ambient and techno.. sounded like a dream, There's a sample in some Orb track that goes something like "I've been waiting for music like this all my life and I didn't even know about it" .. and that sums up the feeling then. So I didn't get into IDM, there wasn't IDM, I don't like IDM, I don't like the direction new artists are taking in general. Picking up a bit of late period Ae, picking up a bit of Squarepusher, picking up a bit of late AFX... making it pointless, academic studies in bedroom boredom, no love at all. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I was introduced to electronic music with artists like Derrick May, KLF, the first album by The Orb and Spanners by The Black Dog. I wouldn't call any of this stuff IDM. I liked a lot of the stuff that came out on labels like Warp and Rephlex up until about 2000. Since then listening to a lot electronic music seems more taking a Mensa Test. I want to enjoy what I listen to. Not be driven to distraction by the itching in my skull that Warp artists today subject me to. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
To explore that age-related thing a bit: yes, if you think newer releases seem more juvenile compared to the older releases, that's probably an age-related thing. What must the people who've grown up in the 50's have thought about all the great music released in the late 60's and early seventies? I figure it's about the same. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I too got into electronically produced music back in the early 90's before the whole IDM thing. I was always fascinated by the darker sound (still am I guess) of early breakbeat and then jungle music along with early/mid 90's hiphop. Whilst I obviously didn't grow up in the ghetto I still identified with something in the music, it wasn't teenage angst it was that it gave me a buzz. Modern 'IDM' very rarely gives me the same feeling (same with rap) it all seems somewhat empty and soulless. Nobody will ever match Aphex or Autechre at what they do but the world is full of people trying, unsuccessfully, to emulate instead of going back to basics and taking it in their own direction. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
What I am starting to realise now is that we are destined to become what our parents were to us. My kids will think I'm well embarrassing. Just like all the 18 / 19 year old kids at my university think now. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I was well in my element when jungle started to rear its ugly head. I had my first job and was spending all my money on going to all-nighters and drugs. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I think I read about now the generation gap is closing and parents and kids have far more similar tastes in music, films etc than ever. Look at the kids, actual kids on this board into Aphex. I know they're a minority but, well, what with the internet and access to ALL MUSIC, obviously kids will have their "own" music but it seems some youngsters have a far broader range in their taste of music across decades. Maybe that's because of the net, maybe it's simply the fact that with time there is obviously more music, maybe it's the media and programmes about pop and music history. Maybe I should shut up. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
It's a painful thing I'm starting to realise as well. Seeing those youngsters grow up these days. They grow up in a totally different world than ours was when we were young. Giving them a totally different mindset/ set of values. And I know my first (automatic) reaction is to think 'they' got it all wrong. But in reality, because the world is that different, there's this possibility that, in order to survive in the world that 'they' live in, their mindset is just a logical consequence. A succesful survivul-technique, if you will. On the subject of the development of music: that's a subject I don't find interesting anymore. Like nature takes its course, so does music. Younger generations create the music they like, whether I like it or not. And if I don't, I just have to look elsewhere. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I don't think the gap is closing. I think, that although (scientific/political/economic) developments take place at a much faster pace than it used to, the gap stays somewhat the same. Older generations are catching up better than they used to, but younger develop equally faster. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i'm still really into electronics. and into other non-electronic bands i like. it's quite on the same level. it depends on a day, mood etc. you can't get bored with electronics. maybe you can get bored with a band, e.g. radiohead. i liked them a lot once but now i hate their music. it's not age-related at all, i think (i've been 30 for a month now). |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
It's just the music cycle. I don't listen to a lot of ''electronic'' music these days, at least nowhere near as much as I used to, but I don't think it's because I'm bored of it or moved out of a phase, I just got heavily into other genres and I'm exploring them instead. I find it comforting that I can go back to the ubiquitous ''IDM'' stuff that I really still enjoy on the rare occasion that I listen to it, that there's lots of other things I haven't had time to hear yet but I eventually can/will, and that there's lots of good new stuff coming out all the time (and there IS, there's plenty of good artists building onto the old stuff). I'm not done with electronic music, I'm just too busy with other ''listening projects'' for it right now. Maybe you are too. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
People are just making music. Its not an age thing. Today's music is no worse than in 1991. The genre isn't dying and someone is still making one of these threads every month. Don't listen (or stop listening) to electronic music as a genre. Just listen to music, whatever it happens to be. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I don't want to come off as weird or arrogant or whatever, but one thing I personally think is that the quality of a piece of music always transcends the mood/genre/lifestyle/everything about the sounds that are playing. There is quality nearly everywhere and it really has nothing to do with genre or any other 'manmade' categorization of music. If I stop listening to electronic music, then it's not because I'm steering away or taking a break from electronic music, it's because none of the albums in that assigned genre are appealing to me. Now those might seem alike, but the difference is that my mind is always seeking good music, so if a genre is lacking what i would call quality then it's not because of the genre, it's because of the time period and the releases in that genre. I hope that makes sense. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
The electronic scene has been crap lately. Last IDM thing I listened to and enjoyed was Chris Clark. Now I'm just listening to Beastie Boys and Jamiroquai and Madlib |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Have you got Shades of Blue (Madlib)? Rules the roost... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i got into electronic music around 1999, long after you folks, and i'm bidding it farewell and turning my back on it now too. i've listened to it almost exclusively since then, and the amazement and novelty has worn off. it's simply not as good as the other stuff i'm into: jazz, classical, flamenco, classic rock. it'll always have a place in my heart, and i'll always respect it, but new releases in the area just scream "THIS STUFF HAS BEEN BLED DRY". and yeah, bob, shades of blue is certainly the best madlib, even though there's no rapping on it. it's an amazing release. make sure you check out "shades of blue (untinted)" which features all of the original tracks that madlib reproduced. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
its certainly got to the point where all new IDM is just "more of the same" |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
It all went downhill after Confield. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Not meaning to suck dog_cock here, but I was going to put that earlier. I remember getting it home, hoping for more Chiastic Slide / LP5 type action. Confield is fucking wank, exactly what I meant when I said listening to stuff post-2000 is like a Mensa test. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
what an uphill struggle electronic music was, wha? with all that good music to compete with |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Have you got any of the Mind Fusion releases Madlib put out?? They're well good, I can't recommend them enough.. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
electronic music is soulless |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
yes, i've got 1-5.. they're amazing.. volume 2 is my favourite - the very last track on it took me AGES to track down.. the beauty of that piano playing.. it's "pale blue" by "mary lou williams" in case you're interested. amazing stuff |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
humungous disagreement to that maybe venetian-snares-style IDM is soulless - if soulless means emotionless. from within "IDM", how many aphex & ae songs have some kind of emotional dimension to them? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
29 |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
yep, they certainly do. for example, those chords at the end of autechre's draun quarter. or any number of aphex songs. but the rest of it. the vast majority. even the stuff i enjoy... those blokes just don't understand harmony or melody ... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
joni mitchell - last time i saw richard vs autechre - acroyear2 both amazing songs. absolutely no soul or emotion in acroyear though. it's still a great song, don't get me wrong, but like, listening to stuff like that for a few years....... it does your head in. let's call it a day and close xlt |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
don't you think it's subjective? or can you quantify emotion in music |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
haha, you don't half type bollocks sometimes. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
emotion quotient = [(BPM^2)/track length] * ln(wavelength of scale note) |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i think anyone would agree that there's more heart and soul in "the last time i saw richard" than in "acroyear".. it's subjective whichever you prefer, but yeah. i'm just saying that listening to that ["idm"] stuff has done MY head in after so long. (poor choice of words in the first post, posting "your head" instead of "my head") ecadniard: are you saying i'm full of shit or that i'm on the point? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Full of shit. Emotion is in any form of entertainment is entirely subjective. For example my girlfriend cries at almost every film she watches. I don't. I've cried when Liverpool have lost a football match. She doesn't |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
It depends what kind of electronic music you mean. The whole spectrum is pretty large and there is always something you haven't heard which will completely blow you away when you finally do get to listen to it. 30+ years of electronic music, plus hundreds of different sub-genres means it'd take many, many lifetimes to listen to everything. Most of my music searching is for older and more obscure records from the late 70s and 80s. I have always listened to more than just electronic music though, so perhaps the reason my interest hasn't waned is because I have a pretty diverse collection. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Acroyear 2 isn't something i'd consider "emotional" by the way. The pleasure in that track comes from the complexity of the percussion and the rhythm. It also has a bit of a silly melody and by the end actually becomes quite absurd (in a good way). A better AE track to use would be something like Vietrmx21 which is undeniably powerful on many different emotional levels. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
yeah exactly, or, as i mentioned, the ending of draun quater... beautiful, very melancholic. and you're right, the pleasure of the track comes from its complexity. but there really is no emotion in that, is there? and since most of the recent "idm" has been trying to mimic that anal complexity, there's been no true melodic emotion for a good while, at least not that i've encountered. that's the point i'm trying to make. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Messageboard index
|
|||||||||
