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The cold sterility of the more ''soulless'' AE tracks conjure up some sort of strange feelings and emotions that are almost native to music like that. Can't explain them, don't want to be able to. |
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come on gang, lets sing it. electronic music is vapid electronic music is vapid electronic music is vapid electronic music is vapid we would all preffer some good music, with soul |
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I think you're limiting the definition of emotion somewhat redrum-san. Acroyear just appeals to completely different emotions than something the more traditional, melancholic music of something like William Basinksi, Greg Haines, etc... The fact that you can enjoy something like Acroyear2 means it is fullfilling at least one of your emotional requirements, at least during the period you're listening to it. |
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I listen to quite a lot of sunn o))) and other doom metal bands when I feel the need to give my brain/ears a good sonic beatdown. The music is about as beautiful as week old shit under the rim of my toilet, but I can appreciate it simply because it hits the emotional requirement I need at that particular moment in time. You can get quite philosophical about it though and i'm sure you realise all this already :) |
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it's mental stimulation... aural overload.. that's what it is for me anyway. it's not the same as emotion in my book. |
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I'm setting my watch to the truths you've spoken this evening. |
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It seems the recent attitude around these parts is that IDM is dead. Well, I don't know what guidelines or regulations people us to classify what is and is not IDM in the electronic field, but I took a break (not even by design, it just happened that way) from "IDM" and now when I listen to quality electronica, I enjoy it as much as I ever did. Perhaps it's the influx of shitty electronica that is invariably coupled with IDM's growing popularity that made so many people tired or impatient with the genre? It doesn't help that electronica's poster boy, aphex twin, has shown stagnating creativity recently. In a way, I both understand, and am confused by, the overall lack of interest in the genre as of late. The argument that electronic music is soulless, well.... that's obviously untrue. Maybe it doesn't strike a chord emotionally with you, but that doesn't mean that it's stark and lifeless to everyone else as well. |
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you can argue its merit till you're blue in the face, but this niche of music was never that popular to begin with. keep an open mind. |
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That's true, it never enjoyed the popularity of say, Rock Music, but I don't believe I ever claimed that it did. I'm just a little confused by the change of mindset people have had here. I remember a few years ago, when someone posted an electronic song, they were met with constructive criticism, not "IDM is dead, Fuck off." I guess times have really changed. |
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often people hear the music i listen to and think. wow, thats a load of shit. just as i'm about to justify it, i think, actually, maybe they are right, and i am just listening to a load of burps and squiggles. |
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It's easy to have that reaction, I don't think very many people in the world dig this type of music. But for the people who do, who's to say that it doesn't carry any emotion or that it's just "a load of burps and squiggles"? Can't something be more than the sum of its parts? |
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This thread is awe-inspiring, inscrutable |
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i dont even listen to idm, just good music |
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"IDM" is a safety-word |
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So, there are a couple of artists walking this planet and some people think they're not doing their job as they are 'supposed' to do. ... WTF? |
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if you started making music post-millenium, YE MUST KNOW : it's not actually music. you aren't actually a musician. instead, you're a "musician". especially if you use a computer. you showed up too late. thanks for trying. buy a guitar! see you on the flip side. |
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I think vocal music and non-vocal music occupy different parts of the brain |
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haha sounds like the typical point of view from someone who peaked in the previous millenium. in fifty years 80% of all musicians will be "musicians". probably more. by then, we should probably redefine the notion of musician, again. (did my sarcasm come across well?) |
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I think that somewhere - there's a person dissatisfied enough with current electronic music that they refuse to eat solid foods |
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I think that somewhere in Africa, there's a person who doesn't eat solid food and who wouldn't like the direction idm is taking, if he were familiar with the whole concept. He's probably call them 'musicians' as well. |
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Why do scientist still bother building rockets man? They all just go "up", into "space". Where's the innovation? It's just more of the same. Where's the soul? Me? I'm going to mastrubate on a racoon after throwing myself down the stairs, homeboy. |
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Jesus fucking christ, there's nothing I love more than adopting the habits of deep sea animals. Nothing beats spinning in place and allowing my arms to hit anything in their path. I'm slippery like soap, gangsta. Recognize that cleaning my bedroom would be too "IDM" |
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Why do you think they stopped going to the moon? |
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"As an older member of the board (I'm 30), I reckon it is an age-related thing. Any older members of the board starting to listen to the stuff your Dad listens to? Were our parents right? " i changed my taste quite a bit..i only really listen to a very small portion of electronic music..im very much enjoying african music; jazz, funk preferably..krautrockers, some industrial, some pop, some impro..i was playing some music last night in some club and it seems younger people have totally different ideas on music nowdays..or perhaps my taste is just really weird. |
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I don't think I've gotten bored with the electronic music, but I've been listening more and more to jazz lately. I can still put on some good electronic stuff and enjoy it, though, but all the good new releases and good older releases that I haven't bought yet are, right now, in jazz. |
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hey, you appear just when i send you an email..that takagi thing is available now. |
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"younger people have totally different ideas on music nowdays" and by that i mean, what's good electronic music to dance to. |
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How about people who aren't old enough to remember the early days of warp shouldn't be allowed on the messageboard? You make a valid point about the narrowing generation gap. One of my dad's mates who must be 35 years my senior is a proper muso and we exchange recommendations all the time. He really rates Ulrich Schnauss and the Steve Reich remixes. |
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I think for me its been a matter of having heard so much IDM for such a long time all the tricks are transparent. Hearing someone use a delay that is self oscilating just doesn't impress me as much as it used to. |
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What d'ya mean, a delay that is self oscillating? You mean like filter resonance? |
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How about people who aren't old enough to remember the early days of warp shouldn't be allowed on the messageboard? nah. with the help of watmm, my favourite new artist is frog pocket. other than that, i can't really think of all that many new artists who i really like. with the exception of snares/wisp/ceephax. but of course, all this is different to what was being released all those years ago.. nothing is going to make me cream my pants and say 'fuck' like when i first heard some good electronic music. and i don't really think any electronic music is going to make me cream my pants to the extent that i did only a few years ago. though, things will stay show up every now and then that make me say 'fuck', or even a slight 'ooh', and that's enough to keep me listening for now. |
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i listen to absolutely everything, and as a result i grow bored of music in general from time to time. though some things can cleanse the palate, like bach. keeping more in line with the original post, though, yes i do find that i listen to less electronic stuff as i grow older. i think it's for the same reason that older people won't touch a book like ulysses -- it can sometimes require too much effort to understand, and when you do understand it it can be emotionally draining. |
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i think it's for the same reason that older people won't touch a book like ulysses -- it can sometimes require too much effort to understand That's genuinely one of the weirdest things anyone's ever said, on or off line. |
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awesome. |
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Which older people that you know won't touch 'ulysses'? |
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hmm. more than half of them. what i meant was that they don't really have the time to invest in something so complicated and would prefer something more accessible/nostalgic. so instead of listening to the washing machine sounds of autechre they go running to bowie. |
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Reading in general what a lot of people say, not everyone, but a lot, just the fucking idiocy and the ignorance and the way off the mark generalisations and lack of self awareness the lack of ideas, I just think the people that listen to and make IDM.... fucking deserve IDM, it's exactly the sound of you hopeless wankers, psuedo-"complex", inarticulate, tired, old ideas watered down and presented as new, horseshit. So fuck you. |
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and people with severe anger problems, apparently. wowza. |
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Again, it's my fault you're an idiot, not yours. Wowza! |
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that doesn't even make any sense. all i intended with my post was to let bob know that i see where he's coming from. |
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You gormless muppet. First of all, Autechre is already oldies music listened to by nostalgic old farts, and second of all how many teen and 20s waterheads are more interested in challenging literature than in myspace softporn and youtube vlogs? Mark my word, as soon as I noticed the interwebs were fast enough for real time video, I knew the literacy renaissance was doomed. Doomed! In five years text messageboards like this one will be as quaint as dialup BBSes and Usenet. (I mean Usenet when people wrote on it, before it was used primarily for porn and media piracy) |
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haha what. it was just an example, mate. |
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seeing as everyones talking about dads i dont think its an age thing at all. personally i share a lot of music with my dad and lend each other cd's all the time. i got him into boards of canada, he got me into phillip glass. i got him into godspeed you! black emperor, he got me into the ozric tentacles.. the only genre he blanket rules out are drum n bass and any of its derivatives. |
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Oh, I'm not so much dealing with your example as with the poor reasoning behind it. |
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yeah, my dad absolutely adores anything experimental, even more than i do. he couldn't stop listening to both set fire to flames albums when he received them from me as gifts. they were even his car tunes! |
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okay, then i retract it? i was just agreeing with bob and didn't mean it to whatever extent you guys are taking it. sorry if i upset you old ladies. |
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It's like you expect to say stupid things and get away with it! Maybe it's time for you to retire to WATMM. |
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haha! |
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F5 |
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like the old wwf guys did to wwc |
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