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Get over yourselves. If you don't like it, move on. If you don't like apple stuff, move on. Get back to your grey plastic computers with shit operating systems and listen to your Creative spunk mp3 players with wanky interfaces. I really don't mind. |
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What's the difference between a grey plastic computer, and a white one? Apart from $2000? |
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That would work if they would leave us alone. But, they don't. |
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I once went to order a mac from apple. I rang them up and was redirected to their american sales team. The woman asked me if it was raining in England. I called her a cunt, put down the phone and bought a PC. True story. |
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How do they not leave you alone? They aren't round your house, selling the things door-to-door like a double glazing salesman. |
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No, they aren't. |
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That's the only Mac related story I've ever enjoyed. |
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Hows about I call you all cunts then go to bed cos I'm at university first thing in the morning? Cunts. Night then XXX |
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Here's a funny story. One of my work-mates hails from Sri Lanka; and the other day he was complaining that there were too many foreigners in Britain, apparently oblivious to the irony. This happened only a few days after my amazingly funny gag that soon all the immigrants in the UK would be complaining about the new intake of EU outcasts coming over to Britain and taking their jobs. Ah, the circle keeps slowly turning. |
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Poor Britain, 1000 different ungrateful cultures all hanging around one vast carpark. |
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I eart some breafd 'cause I 've been drinking. ther's also a sasage wrapped in some bacomn stuff |
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thank you for making me laugh out loud. |
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I bought an Ipod! Come shoot me now you bunch of annoying snobs! |
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Why would someone get so ticked off over a new product being released? If you don't want it, don't buy it. No one's holding a gun to your head! |
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Blegh, the reason Steve Jobs and Apple in general gets on my nerves, aside from ushering in the noveau-hipster 'Random Revolution,' is that they've homogenized everything. Nothing is legitimate unless it's easily downloadable and playable on your iPod. I have no problem with disposability, but trying to reduce everything to neat little mp3 playlists seems wrong. My problem rests not with the device itself so much as how they market the lifestyle. The word that bugs me is 'content'. Everyone, including Jobs himself at the recent conference in Las Vegas, uses it, and go on and on about 'exclusive content'. Oh boy! Does that mean an extended trailer for Pirates of the Carribbean 3!? .. that I can only get from iTunes?! Somebody pinch me! The word is indicative of the fact that it doesn't really matter what's being played, so long as it's being blared out of an expensive pair of white earbuds. It's not music or movies or art of any kind, it's 'content' - nothing more than fuel for an utterly soulless device. |
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I don't get it, content is just a word to describe, well, the contents of something. If you have Aphex Twin on your ipod, therefore being the content of that ipod, it's still music. I don't really get your point. How can there be so much hate for a product, when it's up to you what you store on the product? |
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.. sorry folks, another of my ill-considered rants. Please disregard and carry on as usual :). |
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thank god "Freedom to Choose The Content of your iPod" is enshrined in the Bill of Rights! |
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the word is so slimey and corporatish |
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this thread is a big lie (mostly) |
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I was trying to drop it because I get my panties in a wad way too easily, but since you asked.. I suppose the reason it gets to me is that: Yes, it's just a word, but when someone says 'I'm going to go download some new content for my iPod,' it suggests that the nature of that content, ironically, is irrelevant. One goes and downloads whatever new stuff/content is trendy or available, simply to satisfy that restless, relentless, dull hunger for entertainment. How carefully do you think that given 'new content' is going to be listened to, or analyzed, or given the proper credit and time it deserves, when five minutes ago its selection was still indeterminate? If someone, on the other hand, says 'I am going to download ____ from the album _____ and I'm going to put it on my iPod for maximum convenience'.. no problem. Am I making sense at all? |
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and what are sony and microsoft doing? i read that with the new sony one you can't even play most music files. |
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I understand what you mean, yes, but I don't see that a lot of people would go and buy ipods just because apple advertised about all kinds of extra content. So if you look at it that way, all this extra content is just bonus. Sure a new trailor for Pirates of the Carribean isn't going to change anyones life, but if someone is interested in those movies, and has an ipod because they like listening to music on the go, then what's the harm? |
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I get the feeling your post there is supposed to be some snide sarcastic remark in response to my post there about content. But it's pretty vague, and I really don't see your point. Better luck next time! |
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Once while stoned I gave a whole speech on the failure on human kind and how it reflects on the fact that we didn't have flying cars by the year 2000. It was funny as hell I still think it's true. NO FLYING CAR=HUMANS ARE LOOSERS |
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*failure of |
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Oh, nevermind! I was going to reply to your post [#02029530] seriously, but I figure you wouldn't get that either, so I'll leave it. Toodles! |
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Oh please do, I'm looking forward to another one of your lame attempts at humor! |
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Funky-fresh! No, really, I said I was going to reply to it seriously as opposed to snidely.. |
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I am using Apple as the whipping boy simply because I find their marketing campaign and the accompanying lifestyle to be the most offensive personally, as well as the fact that Apple seemed to be the main topic in this thread.. but you're right, the same could be said about others. As far as the content thing goes, my complaint was basically a sophomoric bitch session about the word choice more than anything.. nevertheless, my point had very little to do with the 'exclusive content' itself. Movie trailers etc. are just one manifestation of it.. it's not just the fact that people (me included) are hopeless slaves to entertainment, which is somewhat unavoidable at times - It seems to have reached a new low because we almost don't care what it is as long as it's easily compatible with iTunes/whatever and fits into some sort of neatly packaged lifestyle. Some seem to enjoy bragging about how 'eclectic' their taste is, in effect turning their playlists into a dick wagging contest. It seems as though no one really pays attention to anything unless it's 'approved,' like in that awful Time Warner DVR commercial that says 'Now know the shows you're supposed to know!' Those who choose to deviate from the mainstream, musically and otherwise, end up suffering with the Hot Topic syndrome.. neatly packaged deviance masquerading as 'randomness' or individuality. I am guilty of this as much as the next guy, I just find that Apple has made large strides in advancing a very unflattering side of our culture. |
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who fucking cares about the exclusive content anyway?. It's all about the hardware. |
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If it's all about the hardware, then just ignore my whole rant. :) My aimless indignation is probably more of a visceral reaction to this: |
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Cheap. But thanks anyways. Here is a mantra I've been working on. I notice it has profound effects on my state of mind. It makes me more relaxed, and generally more friendly and openminded to the things that are and will be.... MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIIIIII I LOVE APPLE I LOVE IPHONE I LOVE THE FUTURE EEEMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAPPPPLLLLEEEEEMMMMMM |
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I like Apple products. Why would I want to buy an inferior product, when Apple hardware is 10x better than a Compaq p.c? I've had my Powerbook for almost 4 years now, I've never had a single grumble with it. Also, why would I want a Sony / Creative / whatever mp3 player? Apple hardware is amazing. Windows XP? Hmmm, that's quality software right there, I can't wait for Vista / Longhorn / virus magnet to be launched... We do have flying cars, they're called aeroplanes. |
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Heh, I actually quite like those apple commercials... guess we just have a different view on this whole thing :P |
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Yes, and if it shares the same shitty code as their other ipods, it'll be an extremely poor pseudorandom number generator that does it that plays some tracks vastly more than others and reasonably regularly plays the same track two times in a row. |
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all this bitter apple-hating is really funny - people who hates apple really care about what they do anyway. weird! why bother if you don't like their products? |
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What bothers me, is that the ipod is seen as a "design classic", when actually, it is, in many respects, rather flawed. Quite aside from this, there's their shitty "just buy our new one" customer service attitude when it comes to broken ipods needing repairs. Do you think it's acceptable the way they handled the battery life thing a few years back? More than any other product, I know many people who will never buy another ipod/apple beacuse of the crap way they've handled things breaking down (charging more to fix it than it would cost to buy a new one). I really fail to see why people get damp knickers over ipods in general. Yes, they have pleasent minimal aesthetics and the jogwheel works quite well, but other than that I just don't "get" them at all. In spite of their mediocrity, they have legions of fanboys who think every predictable slight improvement with each new ipod is some massively original innovation that will revolutionise the way they listen to music. I wouldn't buy one purely for their copy protection reasons, let alone the myriad of other failings. Itunes is shit too. I also dislike how it's as much about the marketing as the product. I mean, the ipod shuffle, it wasn't even an original concept- I had an (admittedly smaller capacity) MP3 player like that almost a decade ago. Yet, the marketing boys get hold of it and suddenly it's a must have thing. I can understand this with clothing and cars (although it's still detestable), but with a geeky personal stereo? Steve "Hype-monger" Jobs gets on my nerves too. He slated the USP of M$oft's rival player, saying how wireless transfer of songs was a pointless feature and no one would use it. You can guarantee had this feature debuted on the ipod, he'd be bigging it up massively and it would become very popular. |
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I just hope the clowns sitting in the audience whooping and braying at every ghastly bit of tastefully designed corporate schmooze at some point wake up in the middle of the night with the stark realisation of what utter wankers they are. |
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I bought an ipod, and I'm quite happy with it. I didn't buy it because it was cool, or the in thing, or whatever, I bought it because I thought it looked nice, it has enough space for plenty of music for me, apple has a reputation as being a good brand for quality and stuff when it comes to computers, and I've been quite happy with the ipod since I bought it. As far as their new product releases, well they are cool improvements. Not revolutionary, but still nice. They've gotten smaller and smaller in size, but bigger and bigger in storage space. For electronic things like this, smaller is usually better, so I fail to see how these product changes aren't good. I'm smart enough to know they're not life changing things, but if I find their products work well should I not buy a smaller ipod nano or shuffle just because Apple are trying to fool me into thinking they're revolutionary? All companies do that. You seem to dislike their marketing tactics, but all companies try to market their products based on image, and try to boost their appeal, and I guess even trick the consumer sometimes into thinking the product is better then it is. Once you realize all companies do the same thing, it's just a matter of ignoring the marketing and doing a bit of research to see which product is really better or worse. Like I said, I bought a ipod nano recently, and I don't think it was because Apple suckered me into it and tricked me with their marketing techniques. It's because I thought it was a good product for what I wanted. And it has been! |
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But of course, everyone has a right to an opinion, and I respect yours about Apple. |
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I'm on my third iPod, I've never had any problems with any of them, as with my laptop. Seriously flawed indeed. |
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:D like I said |
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Study marketing, then make cyanide capsules a "must have" fashion accessory. The problem would soon solve itself. Bob, I said rather flawed. Overpriced for what they are, poor customer service (yes, this is part of the "total product"), crippling copy protection (that stopped me giving my music to a friend) and not exactly the best track record in reliability. Creative MP3 players equivalent models are generally speaking cheaper, more reliable, have a larger capacity and much better customer support. Unfortunately, they're not as aesthetically pleasing, nor (critically) are they seen as "cool" by people tragic enough to think cool can be bought, hence many people buy the apple product instead. |
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I find it interesting how a critique of any new "tech" product these days usually contains a paragraph bitching about the product making it harder for people to commit crime (piracy is stealing, bla bla). "God damn copy protection bullshit! Blu-ray makes it hard to rip and share what's on it on the internet phones!" |
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Yeah, but companies should go out of their way to allow their customers to steal stuff! I've always found that a bit retarded, the way people almost argue that it's their God given right to be able to download music. Like the backlash that happened when Metallica went after Napster. If I was Metallica, and I spent a year and probably a load of cash in studio making a new album, I wouldn't want people downloading it for free either. I'm not saying I don't download music, but I don't pretend it's not against the law. |
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i think it's retarded just because it actually isn't useful to the average geek no linux support, only an 8gb hard drive, its too expensive, etc., no SDK's... fuck it.. windows based blackberries are more useful, cheaper, and can do basically everything this P.O.S. does except for no touch screen it's for this new breed of "pop geek" -- probably makes 100 thousand a year, has lots of sex, doesnt ever masturbate, always orders extra dressing at the olive garden, has a pet chihuahua, drives a miata, works for a startup software development company, is bisexual, watches the tv show 24 with knees on floor give me a smartphone with an SDK, 30gb hard drive, has GPS.. and is actually affordable... |
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I'm quite fed up with the way things are going, the future is going to be super connected together, "multimedia" and dumbed down to the point of annoyance. iWish that that things were like the 80's, where technology was tangible and advancements really where exciting. iDont care about the latest iCrap from apple. It's poorly designed, style over substance aimed for the sort of person who carries a "man bag" and frequents starbucks. The future now is a collection of badly programmed over styled barely functional user interfaces on EVERY conceivable item. Said items will also all wirelessly connect together and allow the transfer of authorised "content". The new iToaster will have DRM pop up alerts on iTunes and people will love it because it is shiny white and easy to do by clicking with one finger. Things in the future should be made to last. This throw-away society is appaling. I would rather have a than a new iThing. Built to last and well engineered, not cheap crap from China. iHate the whole apple culture and fanboys who whoop and cheer about things and how everything is revolutionary, blah blah. NO IT'S BORING! I can see all the "advancements" still to be made, it's all just integration of everything into a hub or phone and be dammed if you want separate useful different things. I don't want to be a starbucks man-bag wifi connected multimedia iConformist. I want real electronics with real buttons that works well. I don't want half baked software running on a CPU crammed into a white box which claims to be the best because everyone else has them... and everyone else can't be wrong.... can they! just conform and get on before this bandwagon runs you down. iDespair. |
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Exactly dave_g, you put it far better than I could possibly hope to. I'm no more interested in Apple bashing than I am in bashing any slick corporation, but the way the ability to download (certain) music and adverts, I mean cool videos is marketed as if that was the be all and end all of our hopes and dreams... revolutionary... The telephone was revolutionary, in the old days you had to be put on hold to hear music, now you can put yourself on hold. Whoopdedoo. |
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